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Old 06-04-2011, 16:15   #1
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S&W Model 64

Okay old farts and gun guys. Looking for some advice and feedback.

I'm considering buying a Model 64. J&G Sales has several flavors of old ("new" or "recent" if you're named after a blackpowder pistol and have someone's bust size in your screen name) police trade-ins in stock: http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/smi...ath/16_211_431

Someone tell me about the relative utility of square vs round butt and any pluses to the NY1 flavor? TIA
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Old 06-04-2011, 17:04   #2
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Well, the round butts are slightly easier to conceal, and IMHO is the way to go because there are a plethora of companies that make grips to fit it with the square butt external profile. Just gives a little more flexibility.

As far as NY-1 triggers go, I believe they are DA only, and in the 12# neighborhood. If the price is right, you will likely need to replace all of the springs anyway.

If your are interested in a decent S&W revolver, may I suggest a model 65, same features as the 64 except the ability to shoot .357 too, but either are fine guns.
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Old 06-04-2011, 17:13   #3
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if you're named after a blackpowder pistol and have someone's bust size in your screen name
I do believe, technically, bust sizes are measured in A, B, C, D, etc... I could be wrong but I'm not going to get into a tit-for-tat argument over it.
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I do believe, technically, bust sizes are measured in A, B, C, D, etc... I could be wrong but I'm not going to get into a tit-for-tat argument over it.
I suspect the OP was intentionally beating around the bush to avoid an ass beating.
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I suspect the OP was intentionally beating around the bush to avoid an ass beating.
That may be true, but nevertheless, he got busted.
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I knew it. I try to say something constructive, and along comes some weisenheimer....
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I do believe, technically, bust sizes are measured in A, B, C, D, etc... I could be wrong but I'm not going to get into a tit-for-tat argument over it.
Well just keep us abreast of the situation.
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That's probably about what you would pay on Gunbroker. IMHO, buying a used revolver on the Internet is a bit risky. I have no idea what it would take to resolve a timing issue, for example, but that would be a deal breaker for me.

I would look for a round butt M65 with a 3 inch barrel. There should be plenty om Gunbroker. Or, with an M64, I would think you would be safe with .38 +P+. Does anyone know for sure on this?

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Here is an M64 that I found at a glance on Gunbroker. Looks like the prices are fairly similar, although the M65s are solid gold now.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=231529552

I would stick with Gunbroker for a used service revolver, and deal with a seller that has a lot of good feedback. I would also stay away from models like this one with a dash after the model. NCDOC had a bunch of M65s with the dash, and they were pure junk. The older Smiths, without the dash, are still good, solid guns.
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Old 06-04-2011, 18:49   #9
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Not a LE guy, but I can speak for the 64.
I love the thing, it's a NY1 config, has about a 10lb DAO trigger and is very smooth.
+P ammo should be cake in any numbered model K frame (generally speaking, post WWII).
Last time out, I ran a box of +P 135gr Gold Dots from it at the local outdoor range, shooting at 25yrds. The sights are dead-on with 158gr as you'd expect, but the 135gr is pretty close enough from the heavy barreled 4" guns.
I like the sq butt with a Tyler insert, prefer round on the K frame snubby.

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Very easy gun to shoot fast and accurate if you're familiar with DA revolver triggers.
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Not a LE guy, but I can speak for the 64.
I love the thing, it's a NY1 config, has about a 10lb DAO trigger and is very smooth.
+P ammo should be cake in any numbered model K frame (generally speaking, post WWII).
Last time out, I ran a box of +P 135gr Gold Dots from it at the local outdoor range, shooting at 25yrds. The sights are dead-on with 158gr as you'd expect, but the 135gr is pretty close enough from the heavy barreled 4" guns.
I like the sq butt with a Tyler insert, prefer round on the K frame snubby.

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Very easy gun to shoot fast and accurate if you're familiar with DA revolver triggers.
This is a very good review, the Smith Model 64 is a fine revolver.
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Sam, I have a pair of round butt 65s that are 3" guns and a sb 4" 13. The rbs are a little easier to conceal. The actions are nice but I don't have the DAO modifications; I suppose you could replace the hammer if you wanted.
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Old 06-04-2011, 19:06   #12
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Thanks, guys, keep it coming (and PG).

I understand the perils in the Internet. J&G is a (long) day trip for me, and I'll be able to fondle ahead of purchase, so I can hunt for the gun that calls my name. I'm wondering more about carry and handling and shooting traits.

Maybe I'll visit Bucky's statue while I'm there.
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Old 06-04-2011, 21:32   #13
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Thanks, guys, keep it coming (and PG).

I understand the perils in the Internet. J&G is a (long) day trip for me, and I'll be able to fondle ahead of purchase, so I can hunt for the gun that calls my name. I'm wondering more about carry and handling and shooting traits.

Maybe I'll visit Bucky's statue while I'm there.
I carried Mod.10 4" and 2" in both round and square butt for many years. They're cousins of the 65 and, as mentioned, the RB is a tad easier to conceal. IMHO, you can't go wrong with either one and they're extremely accurate with 158gr rounds. Let us know which version you decide to purchase....
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I carried Mod.10 4" and 2" in both round and square butt for many years. They're cousins of the 65 and, as mentioned, the RB is a tad easier to conceal. IMHO, you can't go wrong with either one and they're extremely accurate with 158gr rounds. Let us know which version you decide to purchase....
i carried a mod 19 4in and 2.5 in for 20 yrs ref to transition to auto as i wishedf to keep wheelgun, pulled it off for 20 plus yrs, then forced intop Smith 9mm auto...i just shot the revolver better and did not feel i needed all the bullets...
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The model 64 isn't my cup of tea but, I'm a big fan of the model 65 with a 3" barrel.
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Sam:

The S&W 64 is one of the finest revolvers made. If you should get one that shoots right on point of aim you should keep it forever. They are very, very accurate handguns (with the right ammo, of course). My old service revolver (model 10, the blued version of the 64) is my favorite handgun (and I own a bunch...). On occasion I would use it for testing ammo accuracy (via a Ransom Rest) at the Firearms & Tactics Section outdoor range. With the right ammo it would put all it's rounds in less than a 1" circle at 25 yards. Really.

Round butt or square? Can't go wrong with either one. I own, among other revolvers, a 4" model 19 with a round butt and a couple of model 10s with square. Love 'em all.

Go buy one. Trust me on this one.
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Old 06-04-2011, 19:11   #17
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+1 on the fondle first.
Rnd butts are nicer to fondle, the DA shooting works better with the Sq butt.
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Round butts are easier to conceal and have smaller grips. Round butts are mainly on the shorter barrel guns for that reason. There are grips that are made for the round butt that make it into the square butt profile. In addition Hogue makes a grip that completely wraps around the round grip. I have both and prefer the round butt because of the versatility. As for the NY trigger setup I can't say, I've never handled one.
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My vote is round butt bobbed hammer...with the round butt you can use either grip size

I have a 3 inch 65 basically the same gun but a magnum. I wore it for two years as my ankle gun
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:49   #20
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Another big + for the Model 64. As mentioned, go with the RB as you can get grips that give it the Square butt configuration, but not the reverse. The NY flavor converted the gun to DA-only. My favorite of the genre is a Model 65 4" round butt.

Of course, if you really want to be stylish, I notice they have some Model 10's with the 5" skinny barrel!
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I'm one of those old farts you mentioned.
Carried a Model 64 2" for years through the '60s to 80's as a detective in London. Loved it. Very accurate. Didn't like the original wooden grips though, swapped them out for Pachmyer or Hogue round butt, can't remember which.
The price seems a steal if you get a good one.
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Sam:

The S&W 64 is one of the finest revolvers made. If you should get one that shoots right on point of aim you should keep it forever. They are very, very accurate handguns (with the right ammo, of course). My old service revolver (model 10, the blued version of the 64) is my favorite handgun (and I own a bunch...). On occasion I would use it for testing ammo accuracy (via a Ransom Rest) at the Firearms & Tactics Section outdoor range. With the right ammo it would put all it's rounds in less than a 1" circle at 25 yards. Really.

Round butt or square? Can't go wrong with either one. I own, among other revolvers, a 4" model 19 with a round butt and a couple of model 10s with square. Love 'em all.

Go buy one. Trust me on this one.
When I first joined the PD, this was the issue gun. I kick myself because when they traded them in for the Beretta 92FS, the Chief called me and asked if I wanted any of the revolvers for $100 each. I passed.

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Great gun and very reliable. Lots of S&W Certified gunsmiths around if you find that it needs some work. I don't like that they bobbed the hammer however, but even that is easily replaceable if desired.
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The model 64 was my first department issued gun in 1982... loved it. When we switched to 9mm in the late 80's, we had the chance to buy them. Still have mine, and can shoot it better then my semi auto sometimes!! Get one, you wont regret it.
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Hey Sam, have you made a decision??
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Hey Sam, have you made a decision??
Yes-ish. If the supply holds and the fires don't get even more out of control, I plan on a trip next weekend. I'm shopping for a 4" round butt with smooth trigger for sure. Condition is first consideration, but if I can find some interesting Dept markings on top of that, it'll be extra-good.

I'm also going to take David's advice and look hard at a 5" Model 10. If that works out, I'll run with it. Otherwise, maybe a second 64 as a twin.
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