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Old 08-06-2011, 03:55   #1
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Decisions.

We had a family pow-wow tonight,this is in reference ta todays "downgrade" of the US credit rating.

What was decided:

We have moved most of our bulk stuff-IE portable gennys/large water storage bbls and 3/4 ton of beans/rice ta the bol.My wife and child along with 2 of the dogs are now in residence there.I will remain at home and watch the situation as it develops.She has my 4wd and I have the F-250 and the trailer is ready ta hook-up.

What we will lose in departure:

We have a 18kw china diesel that is not movable.We have a 2nd at the bol,the neighbors will have it ta use as needed/all 4 of us are hard wired and they did pay their part of the purchase.

14cords of hardwood,also this goes ta the neighbors,this is a gift.Due too my wifes coercion/bullying* they all installed wood cook stoves.Next,and my saddest loss will be our well system.Grid/genny/manual set-up,we have the same thing out there,it's just it took me years and a ton of effort ta build this system.

I look at this as a live "scenario" and we'll deal with it in the realistic manner.I pray were wrong,we sat down for hours tonight and thought this out.Ya folks I know,"why" would we leave all this,we don't want to leave it.We believe it's prudent ta cover all bases.

Granted we maybe crying "Wolf",I'd assert it's better than bleating like sheep.

We got our comms up,ssb CBs and there working fine.If the ballon does go up,I hope and pray all my friends on GT/SP weather it and come out on the other side whole and healthy.'08.


*We had a power outtage and Kat invited all our neighbor over for fresh baked bread and a deer stew cooked on the stove,they were amazed we had heat/power and a shower/toilet that worked.Talk ta your neighbors,tell them that extra food/water/meds are a prudent thing ta do.Respects .'08.
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Old 08-06-2011, 05:03   #2
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Wow easy their kirgi don't hit the panic button just yet brother! Be the wolf and just stalk the situaition out. I don't think society is ready for a total collape just yet. You need to go with the flow. I think this will be a slower process.
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Old 08-06-2011, 06:44   #3
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Wow easy their kirgi don't hit the panic button just yet brother! Be the wolf and just stalk the situaition out. I don't think society is ready for a total collape just yet. You need to go with the flow. I think this will be a slower process.
+1 I like your posts Kirgi, but I think you need to step back a little from this one and reassess. I've already posted that I believe the S has already HTF. However as I cited in that thread, it's not happening like many would have thought. It's not one abrupt transition.

I do think we're in that transition period, but I think it's the start of all the other issues that go with such a scenario. I'm not sure what your home base is like, but in my case, I'd have plenty of time before needing to venture out to our BOL. Furthermore, bugging out is my last option. I've got more supplies, etc at my home.

Like I said, not saying your decision is a bad one. Just suggesting that you reassess the situation. You may find that bugging out at this point is a bit premature. All is not lost if that's the conclusion that you reach though. At least you've run the drill and probably learned of some minor improvements that can be made for when you decide to do it again.
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Wow easy their kirgi don't hit the panic button just yet brother! Be the wolf and just stalk the situaition out. I don't think society is ready for a total collape just yet. You need to go with the flow. I think this will be a slower process.
I agree with this. There might be a sell off - not crash - next week. Also, the down grade might increase interest rates slightly in the short term but then they will go down again.

Japan and Canada were downgraded and they are OK.

So the question is what large group is going to destabilize civil order that also have a criminal background?

You need so start worrying when there are large groups of poor hungry people.
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Wow easy their kirgi don't hit the panic button just yet brother! Be the wolf and just stalk the situaition out. I don't think society is ready for a total collape just yet. You need to go with the flow. I think this will be a slower process.

My sentiments exactly!


If you want to treat this as a trial run for your preps & plans...cool..

..but otherwise I would not do anything 'rash'!

As for me...topping off of the preps (& gas tanks) is about the extent I would go.


I am waiting for the world financial markets reaction in the coming days, weeks & months..

..but this is just another weekend to me.


But....If during that wait there is meltdown of the dollar...



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But....If during that wait there is meltdown of the dollar...

We'll probably get a stronger dollar before it weakens.
... flight to safety
... European sovereign debt problems
... Stocks down/$ up

But, I'm waiting for that strong US$ as an opportunity to get out of it and into Australian $ and gold and other things.
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Old 08-06-2011, 09:41   #7
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OP, right now your preps should be more on the fiscal side. While I still have a modest amount in the banks & credit unions, I have set aside a comfortable cash and PM reserve in a very safe location.

Continue adding to your stocks of food, hardware, tools, and consumables - toilet paper etc - and keep moving it to a safe location.

For now, SHTF will be in the financial arena so if you gather your capital and continue to aquire you will be good to go. The sheep are still sleeping and are being sheared without being aware of it.

Hang in, keep frosty and watch your six...

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Just in place,I hate suprises.'08.
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I hear ya! But let the sheeple panic first and let them be the sacrificial lambs in sheer panic. Then we can just step over them to escape the carnage!
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Why the hell pony up for that,GOOD is the most appropriate cue.We'd rather be early than fodder.It ain't set in stone,yet.We got 50acres in madison,why not activate the bol? .'08.
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We had a family pow-wow tonight,this is in reference ta todays "downgrade" of the US credit rating.

What was decided:

We have moved most of our bulk stuff-IE portable gennys/large water storage bbls and 3/4 ton of beans/rice ta the bol.My wife and child along with 2 of the dogs are now in residence there.I will remain at home and watch the situation as it develops.She has my 4wd and I have the F-250 and the trailer is ready ta hook-up.

What we will lose in departure:

We have a 18kw china diesel that is not movable.We have a 2nd at the bol,the neighbors will have it ta use as needed/all 4 of us are hard wired and they did pay their part of the purchase.

14cords of hardwood,also this goes ta the neighbors,this is a gift.Due too my wifes coercion/bullying* they all installed wood cook stoves.Next,and my saddest loss will be our well system.Grid/genny/manual set-up,we have the same thing out there,it's just it took me years and a ton of effort ta build this system.

I look at this as a live "scenario" and we'll deal with it in the realistic manner.I pray were wrong,we sat down for hours tonight and thought this out.Ya folks I know,"why" would we leave all this,we don't want to leave it.We believe it's prudent ta cover all bases.

Granted we maybe crying "Wolf",I'd assert it's better than bleating like sheep.

We got our comms up,ssb CBs and there working fine.If the ballon does go up,I hope and pray all my friends on GT/SP weather it and come out on the other side whole and healthy.'08.


*We had a power outtage and Kat invited all our neighbor over for fresh baked bread and a deer stew cooked on the stove,they were amazed we had heat/power and a shower/toilet that worked.Talk ta your neighbors,tell them that extra food/water/meds are a prudent thing ta do.Respects .'08.
Is this going to be a major SHTF event? Don't know. If it is, being ahead of the hordes is not a bad idea. If not, it is a good exercise and gives you the opportunity to evaluate and assess your preparedness planning by going through a trial run.
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Is this going to be a major SHTF event? Don't know. If it is, being ahead of the hordes is not a bad idea. If not, it is a good exercise and gives you the opportunity to evaluate and assess your preparedness planning by going through a trial run.
Concur. Good post.
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JD,the situation in neutral,were just absorbing it.'08.
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There’s an old parable about crabs in a bucket.


If you put a crab in a bucket and it can climb out of that bucket, it
will climb out. But if you put 2 crabs in the bucket, when one of the crabs tries to climb out, the other will pull it back in. Neither will ever escape. It doesn’t matter that it’s possible to escape, the crabs will hold each other back from doing so.


We’re no different than crabs. It’s a sad part of the society we’re living in. When one independent freedom seeker tries to “climb out of the bucket” the rest of the herd will try to pull him/her back in.



Not my words but some guy from the internets.
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I hear ya! But let the sheeple panic first and let them be the sacrificial lambs in sheer panic. Then we can just step over them to escape the carnage!
Why the Sheep will freak but not completely freak.

The average person has no idea how the rating systems of Moody's or S&P works much less understands them. If you understood them you would realize at this point the ratings are more fueled by politics and the financial markets than anything.

What's funny is the administration came out and said S&P's analysis is "fundamentally flawed." Let's put it this way: In numbers the average person can relate to, as it stands today, the fed is like a person who makes $40,000/yr, has over $276,000 in credit card bills and a $2.8 million dollar mortgage (this ratio is about right as it relates to the advertised national debt and the unfunded liabilities the fed has over the next 30 years). Would you consider this person a good credit risk?

Ask the average person about the difference between AAA and AAplus and he/she will think you are talking about batteries.

I even had one person already told me they are going to "get" S&P for what "they" did. This is like blaming the bank for you not paying your mortgage when you blew it at the casino the weekend before.

As long as most sheep have their XBox, the internet, TV, three days worth of food in their pantry, McDonald's down the street and their paycheck on Monday most won't care.

My wife is not stupid just naive. I just explained to her the impact this will have on the debt (it will increase faster), potentially taxes, interest rates, etc.

The real morons on Monday will blame the Obama administration. While I AGREE 100% THIS ADMINISTRATION AND CONGRESS DIDN'T HELP THE MATTER they certainly aren't the only cause.

As I told my wife...this could be the pebble which starts the avalanche but my crystal ball says we have somewhere between 2-5 years before things really get bad.

However, without a doubt its coming
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Filled the truck with fuel and bought extra beer, so I am ready.
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Filled the truck with fuel and bought extra beer, so I am ready.
LMAO! Good on you fire65!
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As I told my wife...this could be the pebble which starts the avalanche but my crystal ball says we have somewhere between 2-5 years before things really get bad.
Very informative post pugman, the only thing is I kinda disagree with your assessment of how much time we have, and I'll try to explain why.

When people look at a situation, they tend to do it from their perspective and using their own rationale. The hardest part of predicting time frames is considering the effect all the stuff happening has on people who are not in your particular situation, nor have your rationale.
Please don't take it wrong because we all do it to some degree or another, and I am probably guilty of putting too much emphasis on the effect a situation has on others.

I have no idea whether or not at this point you have considered it or not, so I might be preaching to the choir, but here goes...

I think we are quickly approaching a boiling point in this country with racial tension, while simultaneously reaching a boiling point with economic crisis. The "financially challenged" will be the first to respond to the economic crisis. There are allot of people of all race that are part of this "financially challenged" group. With racial tension and financial crisis, come riots. With riots comes civil disorder, with civil disorder comes increased insecurity in the stability of members of society. Things are going to snowball, and in my estimation we have less time than the 2-5 years you predict.

It's just another opinion, subject to my own rationale and perspective.
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Very informative post pugman, the only thing is I kinda disagree with your assessment of how much time we have, and I'll try to explain why.

When people look at a situation, they tend to do it from their perspective and using their own rationale. The hardest part of predicting time frames is considering the effect all the stuff happening has on people who are not in your particular situation, nor have your rationale.
Please don't take it wrong because we all do it to some degree or another, and I am probably guilty of putting too much emphasis on the effect a situation has on others.

I have no idea whether or not at this point you have considered it or not, so I might be preaching to the choir, but here goes...

I think we are quickly approaching a boiling point in this country with racial tension, while simultaneously reaching a boiling point with economic crisis. The "financially challenged" will be the first to respond to the economic crisis. There are allot of people of all race that are part of this "financially challenged" group. With racial tension and financial crisis, come riots. With riots comes civil disorder, with civil disorder comes increased insecurity in the stability of members of society. Things are going to snowball, and in my estimation we have less time than the 2-5 years you predict.

It's just another opinion, subject to my own rationale and perspective.
My assessment is strictly a guess.

The things I think everyone on this board will agree with.

The government will try and exercise its control as long as possible.

Our situation has no clear solution and only appears to be getting worse. By this I mean the debt will continue to increase and the federal government's promises and obligations will only continue to increase (which frankly is their own fault).

The Fed's/administration's response generally is to throw money at the problem. This money can take the form of tax cuts, borrowing and spending or taxing to reallocate money. Remember the moves Bush tried about sending people (including those who didn't pay taxes) $600? Seriously anyone with a high school education could see sending this money would have absolutely no impact; about at bad as the Obama administration extending unemployment benefits to 99 weeks.

The S won't hit the fan until the average person doesn't eat for more than a 12 hour period of time.
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My assessment is strictly a guess.

The things I think everyone on this board will agree with.

The government will try and exercise its control as long as possible.

Our situation has no clear solution and only appears to be getting worse. By this I mean the debt will continue to increase and the federal government's promises and obligations will only continue to increase (which frankly is their own fault).

The Fed's/administration's response generally is to throw money at the problem. This money can take the form of tax cuts, borrowing and spending or taxing to reallocate money. Remember the moves Bush tried about sending people (including those who didn't pay taxes) $600? Seriously anyone with a high school education could see sending this money would have absolutely no impact; about at bad as the Obama administration extending unemployment benefits to 99 weeks.

The S won't hit the fan until the average person doesn't eat for more than a 12 hour period of time.

You hit that nail on the head!
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