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Old 12-02-2011, 21:52   #1
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Do you support gun control?

What controls, if any do you think we should have legislated upon the citizens of this country?

Please include your rationale in your statement. Thanks.
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Old 12-03-2011, 08:52   #2
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Why do we need gun control? We have way to much gun control now! I'm for Constitutional carry period! If your legal to own your legal to carry anywhere you wish to carry. If you can afford it buy anything you wish. Why do you want to control guns?
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:05   #3
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The only gun control I want to see is the placement of the second shot.
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Old 12-22-2012, 23:25   #4
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The only gun control I want to see is the placement of the second shot.
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:09   #5
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As a poster above stated, there's too much even now. If they continue to chip away at our rights, including our right to own and bear arms, we will fall by the wayside.
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:31   #6
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I support gun control that takes guns away from criminals...
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Old 12-03-2011, 09:42   #7
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I also agree that we should have constitutional carry for the reason stated above. I agree that felons convicted of violent crimes should not be allowed to own firearms as they have lost that right through their own actions. I don't think that we should have to register our firearms, if I am legal to own then it's not their business how many pistols/rifles I have. I agree that we should inform LEO that we are carrying, no need to make their job more stressful than it is.

My view on heavier weapons is mixed... I don't like the idea of your average Joe Nobody having fully automatic weapons or grenade launchers, but I also don't like the idea of the Federal Govenment having the only ones. That would be a difficult issue to figure out/legislate.

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Old 12-03-2011, 10:31   #8
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Absolutely! Good firm grip, breath, sight picture, squuuueeeezzzzeee. We can get into more detail later but for now practice basic control.

What part of “shall not be infringed don’t people understand? You cannot stop the bad guys from possessing firearms you can only regulate honest men and woman. The founders understood this concept and wrote an amendment to the Constitution FORBIDDING government from INFRINGING on that RIGHT. Every gun control law on the books is illegal.

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Old 12-19-2012, 18:23   #9
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I support gun control that takes guns away from criminals...
I support gun control that prevents them from getting them in the first place... and I support background checking, and I support proper training, and we the people, by the people, for the people.... not frankenfeinstein's "her way or the highway" approach.

Keeping and bearing arms is a right, but to do so also bears huge responsibility, self control, intelligence, and common sense. How many times have we gotten on the road behind someone that made you think "Damn, they gave that idiot a license to drive?" Now multiply that times 10 or 100 with a license to carry. It's not a question we would ever want to have to ask, even under our breath.

Take our guns away? He'll no. Make sure the wrong people don't have them? Well that kind of makes sense now, doesn't it?
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Old 12-19-2012, 21:31   #10
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I support gun control that prevents them from getting them in the first place... and I support background checking, and I support proper training, and we the people, by the people, for the people.... not frankenfeinstein's "her way or the highway" approach.

Keeping and bearing arms is a right, but to do so also bears huge responsibility, self control, intelligence, and common sense. How many times have we gotten on the road behind someone that made you think "Damn, they gave that idiot a license to drive?" Now multiply that times 10 or 100 with a license to carry. It's not a question we would ever want to have to ask, even under our breath.

Take our guns away? He'll no. Make sure the wrong people don't have them? Well that kind of makes sense now, doesn't it?
Background check work really well. Oh sorry, you're a convicted felon we can't sell you a gun, but feel free go about your merry way you're free to go buy one on the street. Me on the other hand. Sorry there is a hold. Government drone... We can't tell you why every-time you purchase a firearm we put a hold on it. But feel free to spend your money on finger prints and passport pictures. Fill out a form and send it your prints and pictures to us. In a few months we'll get around to processing it and we'll give you your special number. Ve gave da Jews a special number too. Background checks... Allowing felons to walk away while making honorable citizens drive 200 miles round trip twice to purchase and come back for their firearm. I can get one on the street faster. Yep I love background checks. What is it exactly they do? Stop felons from getting guns? Yah right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep deluding yourself.
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Old 12-20-2012, 01:05   #11
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Everyone in this thread is hitting the nail right on the head. Gun control has never, and will never solve a darn thing. Little fun fact, The day before the shooting last week a man in China (one of the strictest nations on gun laws in the world) attacked 23 people in an elementary school with a knife. When there's a will, there's a way...

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Old 12-20-2012, 08:23   #12
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Background check work really well. Oh sorry, you're a convicted felon we can't sell you a gun, but feel free go about your merry way you're free to go buy one on the street. Me on the other hand. Sorry there is a hold. Government drone... We can't tell you why every-time you purchase a firearm we put a hold on it. But feel free to spend your money on finger prints and passport pictures. Fill out a form and send it your prints and pictures to us. In a few months we'll get around to processing it and we'll give you your special number. Ve gave da Jews a special number too. Background checks... Allowing felons to walk away while making honorable citizens drive 200 miles round trip twice to purchase and come back for their firearm. I can get one on the street faster. Yep I love background checks. What is it exactly they do? Stop felons from getting guns? Yah right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Keep deluding yourself.
Bitter much? Bitter, line three... Bitter, please pick up line three... intelligence is holding for you...

I never said a background check was a cover all... but seriously man, just because there is some sort of glitch with YOU, doesn't mean it's not a good idea to check. You carry on like you're one of the convicted felons that's not supposed to have access to a firearm. Ease up. My main point is that there needs to be SOME form of control, not just the gut reaction of "hey someone got killed so let's take EVERYONE's guns away".

Sheesh. and YOU"RE a moderator?
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Old 12-03-2011, 10:57   #13
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If there's a gun around, I wanna control it.
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Old 12-03-2011, 11:15   #14
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The only thing most laws do is just keep the good citizen in control and turns them into criminals at some point. The bad person just isnít interested in anybodyís rights or laws. They will do darn well what they please whenever they want. Thatís why they are criminals.

Myself, I want fewer laws not more.

BTW, donít forget using the breathing technique before pulling the trigger and if your target shooting, pull the trigger and keep the trigger back and then release it after a second. This helps.
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Old 12-03-2011, 12:32   #15
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Sorry for the missunderstanding

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Why do you want to control guns?
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I never stated my own position, so why would you assume I am for gun control?

I did not state my view on gun control because I did not want to slant the approach of the posters.
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Old 12-03-2011, 14:55   #16
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I never stated my own position, so why would you assume I am for gun control?

I did not state my view on gun control because I did not want to slant the approach of the posters.

Because itís usually the wackoís that want gun control that come to gun boards and ask questions like.. ďDo you support gun control?Ē. They are usually fishing/trolling. Many of us are now gun shy and assume the worst. As you can see most here donít think very much of gun control and even less of those that support it.
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Old 12-03-2011, 15:02   #17
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Because it’s usually the wacko’s that want gun control that come to gun boards and ask questions like.. “Do you support gun control?”. They are usually fishing/trolling. Many of us are now gun shy and assume the worst. As you can see most here don’t think very much of gun control and even less of those that support it.
This. Plus the fact that you posted this thread withlonely one other post ever. Those two things combine to look pretty suspicious.
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:46   #19
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Exactly...Well said.
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I'm pro freedom. Practically speaking, I don't see a need for the state to limit freedom with respect to firearms.


Self defense is a basic civil-human-natural right.
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Old 12-04-2011, 10:35   #21
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Yep as Jerry said we see many "Troll" Liberals that come to our boards trying to justfy this or that law to restrict the 2nd all the time! Believe it or not there are many liberals here! They say they are gun owners maybe they are but as with all liberals they use the fine for me to own but not you mentality to justify why they own a firearm! If you look at every law that restricts guns it all about keeping legal owners from exersising there rights - not preventing criminal use! They all fail the "Shall not be Infringed " test!
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Gunnut 45/454,
I agree, there are a lot of liberal trolls that cruise the forum looking for an opportunity to push their belief systems on others. They, however, concern me far less than the "gun supporting members? who only wish to limit certain peoples rights under certain conditions. These conditions of course are to be decided by them. These are wolves in sheep's clothing, what I refer to as closet liberals. They are far more dangerous then the self professed gun haters. I just wanted people to truly evaluate what gun control they agreed with and what was their motivation for it. I still have hope that when men are faced with the truth, they will recognize it. Thanks to all who posted.

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Yep as Jerry said we see many "Troll" Liberals that come to our boards trying to justfy this or that law to restrict the 2nd all the time! Believe it or not there are many liberals here! They say they are gun owners maybe they are but as with all liberals they use the fine for me to own but not you mentality to justify why they own a firearm! If you look at every law that restricts guns it all about keeping legal owners from exersising there rights - not preventing criminal use! They all fail the "Shall not be Infringed " test!
The other common theme among the gun owning liberals is when they don't see a particular restriction on our freedoms as affecting them personally, they assume it is a reasonable restriction and that others shoud just get over it.
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What controls, if any do you think we should have legislated upon the citizens of this country?

Please include your rationale in your statement. Thanks.
I support sensible gun control 100%.

Background checks I support. No criminals owning firearms I support. No mentally deranged people owning firearms I support. Junk gun bans (REAL junk guns, not just guns that aren't Brady Campaign friendly) I support. Licensing to carry firearms on a shall-issue basis....I support, but not that strongly.

I can't think of many other gun control measures I support.

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You're really hung up on this one single issue, which is the one of the bunch that I said I'm really not that dedicated to to begin with. Why do you keep returning to this one issue? Am I not making myself clear on it? Please address my other issues which I have firm support for.
I’m not hung up on any one particular thing. I’m hung up and totally against gun control. YOU asked which part of “your stance” was an infringement.


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Please show me how any of my stances fit either of those criteria?

And again, none of those stances fit the word 'infringe' so there is no problem here. The constitution has been respected.
I merely granted your request.

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The point of my post is that what I support are proactive measures to make sure that people who shouldn't have guns don't get them.
You support, "no criminals owning firearms." That is another folly. Laws do not prevent criminals from doing anything. They only prevent honorable men and women for doing what they have no intension of doing or make something they do criminal when it shouldn’t.

Murder is a crime. Why should murder with a gun be a different crime? Robbery is crime. Why should robbery with a gun be a different crime than robbery with a knife, baseball bat or brick?

You say the mentally dative shouldn't have firearms. Until they do something “criminal” with it, it shouldn’t be anyone’s business. Then they should be punished for what they did not because they did it with a gun. Who decides who’s mental defective liberal Drs? According to liberals anyone that wants to carry a gun is mentally defective.

Everything you say you support is either a fantasy or unconstitutional.
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