[alecat88]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/06/la...acare-waivers/


All those union scum bags helped give us the worse president in history and yet they all get waivers from obama care. The rest of us real working class people get stuck with it. Unions suck and have ruined this country with there greed. Im going to go out of my way to buy products made by non union workers. I think you should too.

[NEOH212]

Keep buying union made so you can keep buying one every year because the one you have will only last that long.

Oh yes, don't mind the price tag. You know, the one that has the price on it that's ten time higher than what the product is actually worth. Just buy it and don't ask questions. After all, the unions need to pay for those pensions and overpaid lazy employees somehow.

[Blast]

Unions are hurting our economy. They had their place decades ago, but they've gotten way out of control. Their demands are absurd. With current labor laws, unions are no longer needed.
Some have said unions are a commie plot to destroy our economy. Could be something there.


http://www.independentsentinel.com/2...-to-negotiate/

http://blog.chron.com/lorensteffy/20...pension-costs/

http://radioviceonline.com/hostess-t...vs-the-unions/

[Glock20 10mm]

Couldn't agree with ya more! We have a union trying to enlist the rest of us folks that are not "represented" I basically told them to take a long walk off a short pier.

[Airhasz]

Originally Posted by Glock20 10mm

Couldn't agree with ya more! We have a union trying to enlist the rest of us folks that are not "represented" I basically told them to take a long walk off a short pier.

Did you just think that up?

[ChuteTheMall]

I do my best to boycott all unions, wherever possible.

They are domestic labor terrorists, and our closest enemies.

[SK2344]

Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall

I do my best to boycott all unions, wherever possible.

They are domestic labor terrorists, and our closest enemies.

At the Core of all Unions is Greed, Corruption and Communism! I worked in a Union Shop for 11 years and there were about 6 to eight people in my department. I was the best and most productive person in my department but I was not able to get a raise or make more money than the rest because we all did the same job in our union classification according to the contract. The Company would have gladly paid me more money because I was more productive but the Union would not allow this to happen unless all the workers were given the same wage, so I had to wait until the contract was renewed before I was able to make more money. My personal merit and superior skills could never be rewarded and IMO this is COMMUNISM at it's best! The Company could not pay me for being better and the Union was able to protect the poor workers which we called, "Dead Wood"! To me this was extremely UN-American!

[Brucev]

Originally Posted by SK2344

At the Core of all Unions is Greed, Corruption and Communism! I worked in a Union Shop for 11 years and there were about 6 to eight people in my department. I was the best and most productive person in my department but I was not able to get a raise or make more money than the rest because we all did the same job in our union classification according to the contract. The Company would have gladly paid me more money because I was more productive but the Union would not allow this to happen unless all the workers were given the same wage, so I had to wait until the contract was renewed before I was able to make more money. My personal merit and superior skills could never be rewarded and IMO this is COMMUNISM at it's best! The Company could not pay me for being better and the Union was able to protect the poor workers which we called, "Dead Wood"! To me this was extremely UN-American!

Un-American? No. What you resented was that your fellow employees valued their own interest more than they valued your interest. They refused to be simply tools for your advancement.

As to your understanding of communism, etc., you need to hit the books. At least in the U.S. experience, employees choosing to form a union is and expression of the democratic process. It is no different than a board of directors voting on a issue... such as a contract with employees.

[Angry Fist]

Who needs proof?

[rootpass]

Devil's advocate but unions brought us the 40 hr work week they also keep wages up and they are some of the last of the middle class. I would say trade agreements (nafta etc) have caused and continue to cause America's problems. I am speaking for trade unions more so than service and public employee unions.

[G33]

Federal government is one big union!

[Angry Fist]

Originally Posted by rootpass

Devil's advocate but unions brought us the 40 hr work week they also keep wages up and they are some of the last of the middle class. I would say trade agreements (nafta etc) have caused and continue to cause America's problems. I am speaking for trade unions more so than service and public employee unions.

My mom lost her job after NAFTA, and never went back to work. They can all get bent.

[1gewehr]

Originally Posted by rootpass

Devil's advocate but unions brought us the 40 hr work week they also keep wages up and they are some of the last of the middle class.

Ummm, no. Most companies went to an 8-hour day in order to keep skilled workers during the 1880's to 1920's. As an example, Ford went to a 8-hour day in 1914 and raised wages in order to keep skilled workers away from the competition. Their first labor contract was not until 1941.

Unions were a prime contributor to unemployment in the 1930's by insisting on keeping unsustainable wages until companies went broke.

Free-market agreements have always raised the standard of living far above collective bargaining. Unions add unnecessary expense to any company they infest. I have never seen any union shop that ran more efficiently (lower cost) than a non-union shop. Unions have killed more American jobs than anything else aside from Federal regulations.

[Brucev]

Originally Posted by rootpass

Devil's advocate but unions brought us the 40 hr work week they also keep wages up and they are some of the last of the middle class. I would say trade agreements (nafta etc) have caused and continue to cause America's problems. I am speaking for trade unions more so than service and public employee unions.

You must not say such things. Some people find such inconvenient truth to be to inconvenient.

[CitizenOfDreams]

Originally Posted by Brucev

Some people find such inconvenient truth to be to inconvenient.

Especially when it's half truth or not truth at all.

[Brucev]

[QUOTE=CitizenOfDreams;19076128]Especially when it's half truth or not truth at all.

Hum... I use the phrase because it is a convenient means by which to tweak the ignorant. I've not ever bothered to read anything written by ag. Wouldn't consider it. Are you saying that you've read his book, etc.? If so, why?

[Bren]

Originally Posted by rootpass

Devil's advocate but unions brought us the 40 hr work week they also keep wages up and they are some of the last of the middle class. I would say trade agreements (nafta etc) have caused and continue to cause America's problems. I am speaking for trade unions more so than service and public employee unions.

And you were trying, unsuccessfully, to point out good things the unions have done? You need to think more about the consequences of things like artificially inflated wages. "inflated" hmm...that sounds like "inflation"...hmm...I wonder if passing those inflated wages on in the increased price of good and services then causes other people to need more money to buy those goods and sevrices and then causes an increase in the price of the goods and services they produce and...hey, that could get out of hand.

[Brucev]

Originally Posted by Bren

And you were trying, unsuccessfully, to point out good things the unions have done? You need to think more about the consequences of things like artificially inflated wages. "inflated" hmm...that sounds like "inflation"...hmm...I wonder if passing those inflated wages on in the increased price of good and services then causes other people to need more money to buy those goods and sevrices and then causes an increase in the price of the goods and services they produce and...hey, that could get out of hand.

Educate yourself. Inflation is not the consequence of wages only. Like it or not, the raising of price by a producer is no different than employee's working together to raise their own wages/compensation. The cost are equally carried by the consumer. The employee is no more to be expected to donate his labor/skills than the producer is to be expected to donate his product.

[Peace Officer]

Unions at one time served a positive purpose, now they have priced themselves out of the job market. I am a Correctional Officer for the late great State of CA. I belong to one of the largest unions in that joke of a state. Our Union Reps. are a joke! Once a year the the union big wigs get together in Reno or Vegas or for that matter where ever they want to drink, eat and get layed on the union dues they bleed from us every month. Yes, it is time for unions to go!

[Brucev]

Today the American worker enjoys numerous rights and benefits as normative. These were not kindly given by employers, etc. Working through the political process, unions have acted to make normative a number of remarkable rights and benefits.

Unions have worked to bring about an end to child labor, to establish the right of workers to form unions and bargain collectively. Unions have worked to established the 8 hour day and paid overtime as well as workman's compensation benefits for injuries sustained on the job.

Unions have worked to establish unemployment insurance and a guaranteed minimum wage. Unions have worked to improve on the job safety. Unions have worked to bring about pensions and health care insurance for workers as well as sick leave, vacations, holidays, etc. as standard norms.

Unions worked for the right of public employes to bargain collectively. Unions were very much a part of the efforts that brought about the passage of the Civil Rights Acts and Title VII, the Occupational Safety and Health Act and the Family Medical Leave Act.

[F350]

Originally Posted by Brucev

Today the American worker enjoys numerous rights and benefits as normative. These were not kindly given by employers, etc. Working through the political process, unions have acted to make normative a number of remarkable rights and benefits.

Unions have worked to bring about an end to child labor, to establish the right of workers to form unions and bargain collectively. Unions have worked to established the 8 hour day and paid overtime as well as workman's compensation benefits for injuries sustained on the job.

Unions have worked to establish unemployment insurance and a guaranteed minimum wage. Unions have worked to improve on the job safety. Unions have worked to bring about pensions and health care insurance for workers as well as sick leave, vacations, holidays, etc. as standard norms.

Unions worked for the right of public employes to bargain collectively. Unions were very much a part of the efforts that brought about the passage of the Civil Rights Acts and Title VII, the Occupational Safety and Health Act and the Family Medical Leave Act.

And along with all that other good stuff they helped bankrupt the auto industry, drive the steel industry over seas and bankrupt states like Kalifonia....All hail the unions!!!

[21GlockStreet]

Originally Posted by F350

And along with all that other good stuff they helped bankrupt the auto industry, drive the steel industry over seas and bankrupt states like Kalifonia....All hail the unions!!!

Was Auto industry corporate policy to build JUNK vehicles set by the unions?

[Brucev]

Originally Posted by F350

And along with all that other good stuff they helped bankrupt the auto industry, drive the steel industry over seas and bankrupt states like Kalifonia....All hail the unions!!!

The failure of the U.S. auto industry lies entirely with the company management who fiddled around producing the same old out of date designs rather than anticipating market demands. Companies like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc., correctly produced products consumers wanted to buy while GM, Ford, etc., kept right on producing the cars grandfather bought... until the U.S. taxpayer bailed them out.

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by Brucev

Today the American worker enjoys numerous rights and benefits as normative. These were not kindly given by employers, etc. Working through the political process, unions have acted to make normative a number of remarkable rights and benefits.

Unions have worked to bring about an end to child labor, to establish the right of workers to form unions and bargain collectively. Unions have worked to established the 8 hour day and paid overtime as well as workman's compensation benefits for injuries sustained on the job.

Unions have worked to establish unemployment insurance and a guaranteed minimum wage. Unions have worked to improve on the job safety. Unions have worked to bring about pensions and health care insurance for workers as well as sick leave, vacations, holidays, etc. as standard norms.

Unions worked for the right of public employes to bargain collectively. Unions were very much a part of the efforts that brought about the passage of the Civil Rights Acts and Title VII, the Occupational Safety and Health Act and the Family Medical Leave Act.

Unions remind me of another great idea in history, very similar actually.

Heroin was developed to help people break the addiction to Morphine. Now while it was pretty successful at it's job it was not without side effects.

[AZL]

I am an Arizona native...a right to work state. Though I was not a member of the union...police officers have a weak union here..most of us don't pay it any attention as it is useless an hencrap on a pump handle.

My mother's family is from Michigan, and I lived there while I was going to high school....living with my maternal granparents. MOST of that side of the family was UNION PROUD and thought THE UNION CAN DO NO WRONG!

Well...BS BS BS BS

The UAW and The Auto Industry worked HAND IN HAND to destroy manufacturing in Michigan. Union bigwigs made HUGE salaries (while supposedly representing the worker...though the vast majority of them never worked IN the auto plants).

My grandfather owned several pharmacies and had his fingers in a few other businesses. He paid his employees fairly, and a livable wage...and his Rx employees never tried to unionize as they could have under the grocers union.

But...the beloved union...after it's day of real value had passed...was like any other "government" agency. It existed to accumulate power and the wealth that came along with it (in government think higher annual budget).

I have seen it from noth sides. My uncle once bragged that he only "worked" five or six hours a WEEK. He was a machine mechanic...IF something went wrong, he'd go fiddle with it, and be back in the tool room napping and playing cribbage with his buddies for the rest of the day. Next time something broke...one of the other guys would take THEIR turn to go fiddle with something, or make an adjustment...and BOOM...back to the card game.

He bragged about making $120K his last year as a "skilled tradesman"...and worked 5 or 6 HOURS a week.

UGH.