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Old 01-22-2012, 13:00   #1
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DPMS Sportical VS. S&W Sport Rifle

Hey guys, I have a few extra dollars coming back to me this year, went all of 2011 with no major purchases. Now I'm in the market for a AR. the two I have in mind are the DPMS Sportical rifle (223/5.56) or the S&W M&P Sport which is the same caliber AR. I'm kinda leaning towards the M&P curious if anyone out there has any experience with either of these rifles or would recommend either of them
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Old 01-22-2012, 14:58   #2
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The M&P 15 Sport model get lots of great reviews!!! If you want a bare bones AR the M&P 15 Sport isn't a bad way to go.
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Old 01-22-2012, 16:00   #3
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Most would say both are crap, and you could find a much better AR for the money...
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Old 01-22-2012, 16:11   #4
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Yeah I wouldn't choose either to be honest. I have better things to spend $600 bones on.
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Old 01-22-2012, 16:20   #5
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I recently did all the research for my first AR, and it can get kinda overwhelming for a newbie. My conclusion was the Colt 6920 is the best bang for the buck out there. I got one for $957 shipped from dsgarms.com, which is pretty damn good (no tax either). Save up a couple hundred extra bucks.

The general consensus was colt, DD, or BCM is the only way to go if you plan on putting anything more than a couple hundred rounds through it. Buy once, cry once.

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Old 01-22-2012, 17:04   #6
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Out of those twoI think pretty much everyone will favor the S&W hands down.

But yes, Colt 6920 for sure.
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Old 01-23-2012, 05:45   #7
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The general consensus was colt, DD, or BCM is the only way to go if you plan on putting anything more than a couple hundred rounds through it. Buy once, cry once.

Good luck.
Well, I have a couple hundred rounds through my S&W Sport, guess I better just throw the POS in the trash since I've exceeded its service life....
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Well, I have a couple hundred rounds through my S&W Sport, guess I better just throw the POS in the trash since I've exceeded its service life....
I didnt mean to offend you, and i never said it was a POS. I am totally new to the platform myself, so i am only speaking from the research i have done. However, the guys who do know what they are talking about on m4carbine.net (and here too) all agree that the S&W is not a hard use gun.

5000 rounds later, your gun is much more likely to have serious issues compare to others, thats all. There is no getting around the fact "you get what you pay for".
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I didnt mean to offend you, and i never said it was a POS. I am totally new to the platform myself, so i am only speaking from the research i have done. However, the guys who do know what they are talking about on m4carbine.net (and here too) all agree that the S&W is not a hard use gun.

5000 rounds later, your gun is much more likely to have serious issues compare to others, thats all. There is no getting around the fact "you get what you pay for".
Depends on how you take care of it. Keep it clean and properly lubed, and 5K isn't much, through any decent quality AR. Run it hard and keep the maintenance low, and a cheaper AR might have more problems. But then again, it may not, you never know.

Keep in mind that the many folks at M4Carbine.net (and here in the BRF) are very much AR snobs that feel the need to own the best quality stuff......and there's nothing wrong with that. But since most people that buy ARs will never use them hard, they're fine for the vast majority of shooters out there.
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5000 rounds later, your gun is much more likely to have serious issues compare to others, thats all. There is no getting around the fact "you get what you pay for".



http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...on-mp15-sport/

"Smith claims that the bare bones approach has no effect on durability. They’ve fed two M&P15 Sport test rifles a combined ~170,000 rounds of various brands of ammunition without any [visible] damage to the Melonite finishing process"
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I didnt mean to offend you, and i never said it was a POS. I am totally new to the platform myself, so i am only speaking from the research i have done. However, the guys who do know what they are talking about on m4carbine.net (and here too) all agree that the S&W is not a hard use gun.

5000 rounds later, your gun is much more likely to have serious issues compare to others, thats all. There is no getting around the fact "you get what you pay for".
Not really offended, it just amazes me how many people with no hands on experience with a particular brand can be such experts on them. Just because someone has 800,000 posts on M4C.net doesn't really count as credentials to me, now there are guys with a lot of real life experience, like Surf who posts frequently in BRF here, whose advice I would pay attention too.
As far as hard use, frankly if I was looking for a hard use rifle I wouldn't even be looking at ARs, I would probably be looking at something like a SCAR.
No don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those guys that tries to say their $600ish rifle is equal to a $2,000ish rifle. But here is a report of an M&P15 Sport that survived a week long training course at Gunsite.
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...on-mp15-sport/

ETA: I see that Z71Bill posted the same link.
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Old 01-23-2012, 18:55   #12
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I own an M&P Sport and think its a good rifle. That being said, I wish I had the patience to save an extra $300 dollars for a Colt 6920. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the rifle, but I like the look of an upper with FA/DA. IMO, S&W probably saved about zero omitting those features and did it for no other reason than product differentiation from its more expensive ARs. Its barrel is accurate and the Melonite coating is almost as durable as Chrome lining. Additionally, My gun shoots the same as my friends 6920, has a better trigger and has less slop between the upper/lower.

Funny thing about my AR is that I've spent almost as much dressing it up as I would've spent on a Colt. $639 for the gun, $120 for Magpul MOE furniture and another $45 for a BCM Gunfighter charging handle. I would've bought the same stuff for the Colt though.

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Old 02-18-2012, 08:00   #13
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I have owned a half dozen ar,s and once a DPM sportacal. All I own now is the SW Sport its a fine rifle ,no problems and better than some M4 clones I had. Its a good rifle for sure for any purpose or protection of the home.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M&P lower on the sport of good quality and highly regarded. If so, down the road, a person could pick up an "m4carbine.net" upper and be in great shape. You would have a plinker for practice, and a operator quality upper for all your tactical missions.


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I always love these types of replies. They're just so darn useful aren't they?

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Most would say both are crap, and you could find a much better AR for the money...
"Most would say..." Really? If "most" people think it's crap it's got to be true!

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Yeah I wouldn't choose either to be honest. I have better things to spend $600 bones on.
No elaboration on why you wouldn't choose either? That's helpful.

Several others have asked the OP's question recently. I'll combine the posts I've written as replies:

I'll be honest. I was in the same position as you when deciding what AR to buy on a budget. Do I buy a complete rifle? Do I build a lower & top it off with an upper? When I started doing my initial research, I was overwhelmed with the myriad of AR build options & details.

Even though I'm mechanically inclined & a tinkerer, I erred on the side of caution. I purchased my S&W M&P 15-Sport. I don't delude myself into believing that I'm a "tactical operator". When I put my skills & use into context, the S&W M&P 15-Sport fulfills my needs at the right price.

While I understand the need for a dust cover, the omission of it wouldn't be an issue for my use. I'm at a range. I'm not running & gunning nor competing in any three gun competitions.

While I understand the purpose & function of a forward assist, the omission of it isn't an issue given my skill level. If a round does not fully chamber, I can gently push on the scallop on the bolt to get it into full battery. If the bolt does not go into battery, my inexperience with the AR platform combined with a forward assist could cause a bigger problem. I'd rather eject the round that won't properly chamber & inspect it, than be an idiot jamming on the forward assist making things worse.

While I understand the benefits of chrome lined barrels, the fact is that I'm obsessive about cleaning my firearms after every range visit. A chrome lined barrel isn't a priority for the way I will use an AR.

My lack of knowledge also gave me pause. If it breaks, will I have the tools, resources, & knowledge to fix it on my own? The S&W's limited lifetime factory warranty is a security blanket for this newbie AR owner.

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Is it the best? Is it the most tactical? Probably not. The S&W M&P 15-Sport is a good practical, all-round rifle. For this AR newb, it is serving as a great gateway to the AR addiction.

It's barrel is chambered for 5.56, so I can shoot .223 or 5.56. The 1:8 5R rifling is the "Goldilocks" rifling. I can shoot ammo with projectile weights in the middle of the range. I don't shoot projectile weights nearing either end of the range. The Melonite treatment makes cleaning easy.

As others have advised, you can assemble your own lower & top it off with a complete upper for about the same price. This advice & then post purchase reaction was always given with a good-hearted ribbing.

Being mechanically inclined & a tinkerer, I the thought of building a lower stuck with me. Having the S&W M&P 15-Sport allowed me to really look at the lower to see how it's all put together. I decided to give it a try.

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I was a bit apprehensive to build my own lower. I shouldn't have been. If you follow directions step-by-step, assembling a lower is not difficult. I found it to be easy to do. The parts are as plug & play as they get.

Even though I built a budget lower, using standard parts, I take a measure of pride in assembling it. Assembling my own was also a learning experience. I know how a basic AR lower functions.

IMO, you can't go wrong either buying a complete rifle like a S&W M&P 15-Sport, or taking the plunge & assembling a lower + topping it off with a complete upper.

Either way, you'll end up with a good rifle within your budget.

As for me the more I learn about the AR, the more I realize that there's so much more I don't know. I'm always learning something new.

Good luck with your decision, & let us know how it turns out for you.

Cheers!
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I always love these types of replies. They're just so darn useful aren't they?



"Most would say..." Really? If "most" people think it's crap it's got to be true!



No elaboration on why you wouldn't choose either? That's helpful.

Several others have asked the OP's question recently. I'll combine the posts I've written as replies:

I'll be honest. I was in the same position as you when deciding what AR to buy on a budget. Do I buy a complete rifle? Do I build a lower & top it off with an upper? When I started doing my initial research, I was overwhelmed with the myriad of AR build options & details.

Even though I'm mechanically inclined & a tinkerer, I erred on the side of caution. I purchased my S&W M&P 15-Sport. I don't delude myself into believing that I'm a "tactical operator". When I put my skills & use into context, the S&W M&P 15-Sport fulfills my needs at the right price.

While I understand the need for a dust cover, the omission of it wouldn't be an issue for my use. I'm at a range. I'm not running & gunning nor competing in any three gun competitions.

While I understand the purpose & function of a forward assist, the omission of it isn't an issue given my skill level. If a round does not fully chamber, I can gently push on the scallop on the bolt to get it into full battery. If the bolt does not go into battery, my inexperience with the AR platform combined with a forward assist could cause a bigger problem. I'd rather eject the round that won't properly chamber & inspect it, than be an idiot jamming on the forward assist making things worse.

While I understand the benefits of chrome lined barrels, the fact is that I'm obsessive about cleaning my firearms after every range visit. A chrome lined barrel isn't a priority for the way I will use an AR.

My lack of knowledge also gave me pause. If it breaks, will I have the tools, resources, & knowledge to fix it on my own? The S&W's limited lifetime factory warranty is a security blanket for this newbie AR owner.

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Is it the best? Is it the most tactical? Probably not. The S&W M&P 15-Sport is a good practical, all-round rifle. For this AR newb, it is serving as a great gateway to the AR addiction.

It's barrel is chambered for 5.56, so I can shoot .223 or 5.56. The 1:8 5R rifling is the "Goldilocks" rifling. I can shoot ammo with projectile weights in the middle of the range. I don't shoot projectile weights nearing either end of the range. The Melonite treatment makes cleaning easy.

As others have advised, you can assemble your own lower & top it off with a complete upper for about the same price. This advice & then post purchase reaction was always given with a good-hearted ribbing.

Being mechanically inclined & a tinkerer, I the thought of building a lower stuck with me. Having the S&W M&P 15-Sport allowed me to really look at the lower to see how it's all put together. I decided to give it a try.

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I was a bit apprehensive to build my own lower. I shouldn't have been. If you follow directions step-by-step, assembling a lower is not difficult. I found it to be easy to do. The parts are as plug & play as they get.

Even though I built a budget lower, using standard parts, I take a measure of pride in assembling it. Assembling my own was also a learning experience. I know how a basic AR lower functions.

IMO, you can't go wrong either buying a complete rifle like a S&W M&P 15-Sport, or taking the plunge & assembling a lower + topping it off with a complete upper.

Either way, you'll end up with a good rifle within your budget.

As for me the more I learn about the AR, the more I realize that there's so much more I don't know. I'm always learning something new.

Good luck with your decision, & let us know how it turns out for you.

Cheers!
Defend your purchase & methods all you want. Most of us have and have owned the brands. I wouldn't waste my $600 on either of those rifles.

Why even bother saying more?
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Defend your purchase & methods all you want. Most of us have and have owned the brands. I wouldn't waste my $600 on either of those rifles.

Why even bother saying more?
I was relating why, as a new AR owner, I made my choice. Maybe the OP can find something useful in it, and put it into the context of his choice.

I'll reiterate that the S&W M&P Sport may not be the best rifle, but it is a good gateway to the AR addiction.

Why bother saying more? Because the information/experience you have can possibly help those of us that don't have the same level of experience as you.
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I was relating why, as a new AR owner, I made my choice. Maybe the OP can find something useful in it, and put it into the context of his choice.

I'll reiterate that the S&W M&P Sport may not be the best rifle, but it is a good gateway to the AR addiction.

Why bother saying more? Because the information/experience you have can possibly help those of us that don't have the same level of experience as you.
There is a search button if the OP is really looking into serious ARs.
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Defend your purchase & methods all you want. Most of us have and have owned the brands. I wouldn't waste my $600 on either of those rifles.

Why even bother saying more?
I know right. an ar rifle is only good if it is ready to go to battle in the mountains of afghanistan right now. those people who just want one to have fun with at the range without all the extra features that is the price of a handgun or less are just wasting their money
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I know right. an ar rifle is only good if it is ready to go to battle in the mountains of afghanistan right now. those people who just want one to have fun with at the range without all the extra features that is the price of a handgun or less are just wasting their money
Naw. But I have given up trying to tell people to buy this or buy that. I just try and answer the question they presented. I have an affinity for Noveske Rifles but I am willing to drop $2k+ on a rifle. I understand many cannot. So there are Colts, Daniel Defense, LMT... then there are also BCM, LWRT, Stag... and of course we can't forget PSA, BM, Armalite, Ruger, SIG... it is just a laundry list of guns and everyone has an opinion.

Mine for this thread is that there are many other things I would drop $600 on and a DPMS Sportical or S&W Sportical are not on that list.
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