For Illinois residents: Are pigs about to fly?

BudMan5 · 01-24-2012, 10:36

The United States District Court for Central Illinois is currently hearing Moore v. Madigan in which the complainant, Michael Moore and the Second Amendment Foundation are suing Lisa Madigan, the Attorney General of Illinois, concerning the prohibition of carrying firearms for personal protection in Illinois.

The case has been ongoing since last Spring. The Judge has just released the transcipt of the oral arguments that were made last August. You can read it here:

Moore v. Madigan

This is considered the last hurdle before the Judge renders an opinion. Reading the transcript is interesting because the Judge seems to be leaning towards issuing an injunction against the State of Illinois which would in effect, end the State's Unlawful Use of Weapon statue.

In another case, this one in the Southern District, Shepard v. Madigan, plantiff Mary Shepard, a 76 year old church secretary who was beaten and left for dead by a parolee is also nearing a resolution. Shepard, who holds both Florida and Pennsylvania concealed carry permits was forbidden to carry a pistol for self defense when she was beated and robbed while in Illinois. Illinois law denies her right to self-defense.

Meanwhile, House Bill 148, the the Family and Personal Proection Act is still alive and gaining more sponsors in the Illinois House. The Bill is ready to be voted on and if a Federal Judge orders and injunction against the State concerning the Unlawful Use of Weapon Statue, HB 148 could be passed immediately. It missed passing a super majority last May by a vote of 65-31 in favor (71 were mneeded to insure pre-emption and to ov er ride a possible veto by the Governor). Since that time, it has gained another four sponsers

Things are changing in Illinois. With Wisconsin passing their concealed carry law, Illinois is the single State left where its citizens have no right to self protection.

It's beginning to look like that will happen this year.

Foxtrotx1 · 01-24-2012, 10:40

Nice.

REA9mm · 01-24-2012, 10:56

As a refugee living in exile from my home state of Illinois this is pleasant news indeed. Thank you sir for bringing it to my attention. I greatly look forward to the day when I can make my visits back to the land of Lincoln to visit my family while enjoying the protection of a firearm at my side (assuming they also adopt reciprocity with neighboring states at least).

cheapshot · 01-24-2012, 13:16

Don't get your hopes up too high. Anybody that thinks the leaders of that corrupt state[Madigan, Cullerton, and Rahm] are gona roll over and let a concealed carry bill go thru without these cases going all the way to the supreme court is dreaming! They're makin progress, but concealed carry is a ways off for the state of Chicago.

TexasFats · 01-24-2012, 13:22

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Originally Posted by cheapshot

Don't get your hopes up too high. Anybody that thinks the leaders of that corrupt state[Madigan, Cullerton, and Rahm] are gona roll over and let a concealed carry bill go thru without these cases going all the way to the supreme court is dreaming! They're makin progress, but concealed carry is a ways off for the state of Chicago.

And, even if the SC slapps IL's laws down, expect the same situation as exists in DC where the permitting process is so convoluted, expensive, and difficult as to put CCW out of the reach of any but the the very wealthy and politically well-connected.

cheapshot · 01-24-2012, 14:54

I've been following this fairly closely. Think about it. Rahm is the mayor of illinois. Mike Madigan is speaker of the house. His daughter is attorney general. That legislature is not gona just roll over and give in. Even if one of the cases goes the right way, it will be appealed into the next millenium. And if anyone thinks that a judge is going to strike their uuw laws and that will mean instant concealed carry is NUTS!

Aint gona happen in illinois until it's forced to. And that's gona be a good long while, if ever. Really sux. They thought they had the votes in the house last year, but Madigan put a stop to it at the last hour, just like he will AGAIN. No amount of pressure is going to make it happen in illinois until it comes from SCOTUS. Concealed carry in illinois this year? Yeah right.

BudMan5 · 01-24-2012, 16:26

oh ye of little faith

Join us at illinoisCarry.com and learn what is really happening.

Concealed carry in Illinois will pass this year and be the law of the land January 1, 2013.

you read it here first

cheapshot · 01-24-2012, 16:44

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Originally Posted by BudMan5

oh ye of little faith

Join us at illinoisCarry.com and learn what is really happening.

Concealed carry in Illinois will pass this year and be the law of the land January 1, 2013.

you read it here first

Would you care to explain exactly how that would happen? Sure would be great to hear. Maybe there's something i don't realize.

cheapshot · 02-04-2012, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by BudMan5

oh ye of little faith

Join us at illinoisCarry.com and learn what is really happening.

Concealed carry in Illinois will pass this year and be the law of the land January 1, 2013.

you read it here first

I assume you are aware of the Moore vs. Madigan decision handed down 2/3? Still bettin on concealed carry 1/1/13? Not a chance. Still several years away, if then. And ONLY if obama doesn't get re-elected in the meantime and appoint another Kagan to the group.

KingWalleye · 01-29-2012, 11:52

The tide is turning in Illinois.

HB148 has support on both sides of the aisle in the State house. There were 3 Republicans that voted against it. All 3 of them for the most part, border Chicago. The Dems that voted against it were all from Chicago or butted up against it.

Currently there is one African-American rep in Chicago who has gone on record as saying he will vote for HB148. Note, saying it and doing it are two very different things. However, one rep in Chicago may be the domino that we need to start the rest tumbling. Okay, maybe not the rest but enough to get it passed.

The town hall meetings have been well received and believe it or not, have been generating some seriously positive responses from the media.

Stay tuned kids, the next legislative session is about to begin...

NEOH212 · 02-02-2012, 03:36

I would really like to see Illinois get a carry law in place and become a shall issue state.

Once all fifty states have a carry law, I think with the ground gained, we can be further on the way to having a little more leverage to get some of the more BS gun laws repealed.

The Hughes Amendment to the FOPA is at the top of my list.

(I won't hold my breath though.)