Heavy .357sig

dkf · 03-30-2012, 18:28

A new 357sig load from Double Tap. Heaviest .357sig load I've ever seen.

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/cat...roducts_id=563

unit1069 · 03-30-2012, 19:53

I'm very happy to see another .357sig bullet weight being offered and this hard cast heavyweight looks on paper to be an excellent woods carry round. I do think I'll wait to see if a similar round at a more reasonable price comes onto the market.

dkf · 03-30-2012, 19:56

Honestly I think I would have prefered to see something around the 150gr weight. The 180gr just seems too large of a bullet for the sig.

unit1069 · 03-30-2012, 22:19

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Originally Posted by dkf

Honestly I think I would have prefered to see something around the 150gr weight. The 180gr just seems too large of a bullet for the sig.

There are already several 147-grain rounds available, and Sellier & Bellot makes an excellent 140-grain TC round.

Inebriated · 03-30-2012, 23:33

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Originally Posted by Free Radical

Exactly. If you want to throw ashtrays why not stick with .45 ACP?

I do

I think .357 Sig is supposed to be lighter bullets moving with a quickness. I think BB's FMJ-FN seems like a better woods option. 1,430 fps, as reported from their P229, and I trust BB's claims a little more than DT's.

dkf · 03-31-2012, 07:35

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Originally Posted by unit1069

There are already several 147-grain rounds available, and Sellier & Bellot makes an excellent 140-grain TC round.

I agree and I have some however neither have the wide metplat. At least the 180gr bullet has a nice wide metplat however it does raise some concerns with feeding reliability.

Inebriated · 03-30-2012, 20:18

Why not just use .40 at that point? It's moving slower than a 200 grain .40 S&W with the same bullet style.

I love .357 Sig, but a 150ish grain bullet is what I would want to see. Glad people are showing an interest in it, though! But for now, I'll stick to Buffalo Bore for my defensive loads.

dkf · 03-30-2012, 20:22

The slower 9mm 180gr bullet may penetrate better than the larger diameter heavier .40 bullet. Who knows. I wouldn't mind trying some but I'd rather wait for someone else to try them first.

***Free Radical*** · 03-30-2012, 20:31

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Originally Posted by Inebriated

Why not just use .40 at that point? It's moving slower than a 200 grain .40 S&W with the same bullet style.

I love .357 Sig, but a 150ish grain bullet is what I would want to see. Glad people are showing an interest in it, though! But for now, I'll stick to Buffalo Bore for my defensive loads.

Exactly. If you want to throw ashtrays why not stick with .45 ACP?

dkf · 03-30-2012, 20:45

Uh, because the gun isn't chambered in .45acp. Changing from .357sig to .40 and vise versa is no big issue in several pistols however for someone who wants to carry .357sig, options are nice.

PghJim · 03-30-2012, 21:17

I think it is good to have options. I do not know if you could hunt the things Mike is claiming, but it may be a quieter round for just kicking around.

1canvas · 03-30-2012, 21:22

to many negative posts about DT posted velocities, even if one box clocks out ok doesn't mean the next box will. as Inebriated posted, i also think a 150grn would be the ideal weight in a hard cast. for 180grn i'll use a hot .40.

cowboy1964 · 03-30-2012, 21:27

The sectional density is very high on a .355ish 180gr. Maximum penetration. I don't see the point of this round outside of woods use. And at that point wouldn't a full power 10mm make more sense?

dkf · 03-30-2012, 21:29

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964

The sectional density is very high on a .355ish 180gr. Maximum penetration. I don't see the point of this round outside of woods use. And at that point wouldn't a full power 10mm make more sense?

Yeah it would, If one owns a 10mm.

1canvas · 03-30-2012, 21:55

i think the point is to give 357sig owners another option for a woods round.

Scoob · 03-31-2012, 04:08

Wow. I didn't even realize such a heavy bullet could be loaded effectively in 357sig. Don't know quite what to make of it but it's definately unique.

G32guy · 03-31-2012, 04:22

That is interesting. I agree with what others have said though. I would rather have the 200 grain .40 load in DTs woods load line since I have the barrel. Another one of the things I love about this gun, it's so versatile!

bac1023 · 03-31-2012, 15:13

Seems a bit heavy to me for 357Sig, but I'm sure he'll sell it.

Glockbuster · 04-02-2012, 16:12

I will not buy it. 357 Sig was designed to emulate 125 grain 357 magnum and comes darn close (I've clocked Speers 54234 125 grain at 1415 fps out of my G31). 180 grain bullet weight is inventing new things.

Tiro Fijo · 04-02-2012, 17:39

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Originally Posted by Glockbuster

I will not buy it. 357 Sig was designed to emulate 125 grain 357 magnum...

180 grain bullet weight is inventing new things.

I agree, but hey it's their money and far be it from me to tell them how to spend it. That's Obamas's job.

SAWMAN · 04-04-2012, 17:06

Not for me. In my EDC Glock 33 it is 124gr,for woods carry in my Glock 32 I carry Hornady 147gr XTP's. I would rather have the extra velocity and the Hornady XTP's are a proven deep penetrator. ---SAWMAN

unit1069 · 04-04-2012, 18:24

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Originally Posted by SAWMAN

Not for me. In my EDC Glock 33 it is 124gr,for woods carry in my Glock 32 I carry Hornady 147gr XTP's. I would rather have the extra velocity and the Hornady XTP's are a proven deep penetrator. ---SAWMAN

I have recently acquired a liking for the 147-grain bullet in .357sig after shooting some Double Tap Gold Dot ammo I bought five years ago. The one and only day I performed a backyard water jug test the DT Gold Dot penetrated into the third jug and mushroomed well.

I picked up some Hornady 147-grain XTP ammo but haven't had the opportunity to test any aside from a single round I shot the same day of the backyard test. That bullet penetrated all three jugs and skirted the edge of a fourth jug. I never found that round. Since I ran out of jugs I didn't fire any more of the XTPs.

Can you tell me how much you like that round compared to other rounds you've shot in your .357sig guns?

Adamz04 · 05-31-2012, 18:45

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Originally Posted by unit1069

I have recently acquired a liking for the 147-grain bullet in .357sig after shooting some Double Tap Gold Dot ammo I bought five years ago. The one and only day I performed a backyard water jug test the DT Gold Dot penetrated into the third jug and mushroomed well.

I picked up some Hornady 147-grain XTP ammo but haven't had the opportunity to test any aside from a single round I shot the same day of the backyard test. That bullet penetrated all three jugs and skirted the edge of a fourth jug. I never found that round. Since I ran out of jugs I didn't fire any more of the XTPs.

Can you tell me how much you like that round compared to other rounds you've shot in your .357sig guns?

Do you know if DT still loads gold dots in there ammo? I've been thinking about trying DT or BB to maximize my g32 potential. I like the Barnes XPB bullets but they are always so light. Some tests I've seen from these companies achieve higher velocities but they use cheaper bullets that fragment. I'd like to find something that I could get 1400+ fps and at least .65 expansion and full weight retention. Is that asking to much or is it possible?

Adamz04 · 05-31-2012, 16:16

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Originally Posted by SAWMAN

Not for me. In my EDC Glock 33 it is 124gr,for woods carry in my Glock 32 I carry Hornady 147gr XTP's. I would rather have the extra velocity and the Hornady XTP's are a proven deep penetrator. ---SAWMAN

IMO the hornady xtp are a pretty crappy round. The only reason they penetrate is because they dont expand very wide. Ive tested some in 9mm and everything peeled straight back and was only like .50 wide on a good day. I can only imagine that a faster 357 sig would be even worse. Plus at that velocity I doubt the hornady would stay together.
I think Federal hst, gold dots, and dpx are much better bullets especially in the 357 sig because they expand wider and hold together better.

dkf · 05-31-2012, 17:28

The XTP is a fairly old design that is designed to get close to 1.5x diameter expansion and thats about. The expansion is fine IMO what I do not really like about Hornady loaded XTP .357sig is the velocity is quite a bit under advertised and the extreme spread is usually pretty much. I'll take the XTP bullet over Hornadys Critical Defense (FTX) bullet or Critical Duty bullet any day.

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http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/cat...fob0ej3l28epd1

Thats good maybe I'll try some.

It looks like DT bumps the neck back a LOT on the 180gr.

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I've decided my current .357sig strategy is to practice with Sellier & Bellot 140-grain FMJ and carry the 147-grain Hornady XTP rounds (pending further testing)

I wish S&B would offer those 140gr bullets to the reloader. I think they would be a killer woods load when pushed to the max.