Two NYPD guys fire 84 rounds at bad guy

ChiefWPD · 04-26-2012, 08:19

Guy has a .22 revolver and fires at the officers (guy had just committed a homicide and an attempted homicide). The two cops return fire, 84 times! Hit the guy 14 times. He lives. Natch. Anyway, being a wiseguy, I comment to my wife that the pair should have called in an air-strike. Her reply, "If they could have they would have."

Women.

Here's how the officers (both armed with Glock 19s I presume) did their thing:

The police officer fired 45 shots — one round in his gun’s chamber, two 15-round magazines and all but one round in his third magazine. He told investigators he thought he was out of ammo. The sergeant also fired one shot he kept in the chamber, two 15-shot magazines and eight rounds from his third magazine.

merlynusn · 04-26-2012, 09:13

That's got to be a crappy feeling when you run out of ammo.

**Hack** · 04-26-2012, 09:26

Quite a few rounds. What gets me is that this turd lived, even with that many wounds.

Bren · 04-26-2012, 13:59

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Originally Posted by Hack

Quite a few rounds. What gets me is that this turd lived, even with that many wounds.

I suppose NYPD still uses 9mm? Not to start that debate, but there are lots of cases of people taking that many and more and still fighting.

mrsurfboard · 04-26-2012, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Bren

I suppose NYPD still uses 9mm? Not to start that debate, but there are lots of cases of people taking that many and more and still fighting.

The 9mm Gold Dot JHP that NYPD uses is a very effective round.

cowboy1964 · 04-28-2012, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Bren

I suppose NYPD still uses 9mm? Not to start that debate, but there are lots of cases of people taking that many and more and still fighting.

I've seen that happen with the vaunted .45 too. Not to start that debate...

IrishSheepdog54 · 04-29-2012, 00:11

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964

I've seen that happen with the vaunted .45 too. Not to start that debate...

I just met an officer who shot an offender 17 times with his Glock 21. Only the last three rounds into the head finally put him down.

He's now carrying a Glock 19. As he said, where you put the rounds matters more than size. I tend to believe him after his first-hand experience putting that many .45 rounds into a guy.

Remember, Trooper Coates in South Carolina died from a .22 round... He was shot twice, after he shot his murderer five times center mass...

***Sam Spade*** · 04-26-2012, 09:27

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Originally Posted by merlynusn

That's got to be a crappy feeling when you run out of ammo.

I'd suggest that your second magazine change comes with a re-evaluation of your tactics...

txleapd · 04-26-2012, 09:29

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Originally Posted by Sam Spade

I'd suggest that your second magazine change comes with a re-evaluation of your tactics...

Simple, yet profound.

MeefZah · 04-26-2012, 10:00

Link?

I'm interested in the distance, cover used by all three, and other stats.

I guess this poos on my comment in another thread that I've never heard of a cop running out of ammo in a gunfight... though it sounds like that probably could have been avoided with some trigger discipline.

txleapd · 04-26-2012, 12:23

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Originally Posted by MeefZah

I guess this poos on my comment in another thread that I've never heard of a cop running out of ammo in a gunfight...

Technically, they didn't run out of ammo. They almost ran out of ammo....

matt86 · 05-05-2012, 22:28

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Originally Posted by MeefZah

Link?

I'm interested in the distance, cover used by all three, and other stats.

I guess this poos on my comment in another thread that I've never heard of a cop running out of ammo in a gunfight... though it sounds like that probably could have been avoided with some trigger discipline.

We had a similar incident here.. well only similar in the fact that multiple officers ran dry... but there were more than 4 officers shooting too and more than one ran dry. Bad guy had good cover and lots of luck.

DaBigBR · 04-26-2012, 10:13

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Originally Posted by Sam Spade

I'd suggest that your second magazine change comes with a re-evaluation of your tactics...

That might have to make it's way in to future training I provide...

mikegun · 04-26-2012, 11:32

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Originally Posted by Sam Spade

I'd suggest that your second magazine change comes with a re-evaluation of your tactics...

ID SUGGEST that you are totally correct....

Southswede · 04-26-2012, 19:25

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Originally Posted by Sam Spade

I'd suggest that your second magazine change comes with a re-evaluation of your tactics...

I'd start after the first reload......

Deriffe · 04-27-2012, 11:56

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Originally Posted by Sam Spade

I'd suggest that your second magazine change comes with a re-evaluation of your tactics...

BRILLIANT!!!!

Patchman · 04-28-2012, 08:50

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Originally Posted by Sam Spade

I'd suggest that your second magazine change comes with a re-evaluation of your tactics...

That's what I always figured..., especially if the BG is in a car or near cover. First mag is shot as suppressive fire while I'm moving. Second mag a lot more judicious fire control.

Of course, reality may intervene.

Mr.Reignman · 05-01-2012, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Sam Spade

I'd suggest that your second magazine change comes with a re-evaluation of your tactics...

THIS.

Let's just say if and or when I've had to drop ammo that sparingly, there was no reason for me to pursue without following the above statement....

**Hack** · 04-26-2012, 10:19

I am thinking that is a good reason for all LE agencies to qualify more than once a year by punching holes in targets. Moving targets; adrenalin rush; nervousness perhaps; all come into play. With us, it is deemed not necessary to qualify more than once a year on most things, except in the case of the special teams. We should at least train more than once a year, but no that costs money.

CJStudent · 04-26-2012, 10:34

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Originally Posted by Hack

I am thinking that is a good reason for all LE agencies to qualify more than once a year by punching holes in targets. Moving targets; adrenalin rush; nervousness perhaps; all come into play. With us, it is deemed not necessary to qualify more than once a year on most things, except in the case of the special teams. We should at least train more than once a year, but no that costs money.

Ain't that the truth. We have a "stress shoot" to get transport qualified initially, but after that, it's just the regular BPT qual course, shooting paper on a timer.

**Hack** · 04-26-2012, 10:38

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Ain't that the truth. We have a "stress shoot" to get transport qualified initially, but after that, it's just the regular BPT qual course, shooting paper on a timer.

We qualify again each year as to BPT shoots, but it isn't all that difficult, (except in cold weather for me

). We have a decent range, thanks to the KC FBI field office.

CJStudent · 04-26-2012, 11:11

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Originally Posted by Hack

We qualify again each year as to BPT shoots, but it isn't all that difficult, (except in cold weather for me

). We have a decent range, thanks to the KC FBI field office.

We have our own range that several local, state, and federal agencies also will use. It's probably one of the better ones around, actually; I know for a fact it's much better than the local PD's range (I've shot at both ranges). I know we'll get local PD, state PD, and USMS at our range to shoot fairly regularly.

**Hack** · 04-26-2012, 11:14

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Originally Posted by CJStudent

We have our own range that several local, state, and federal agencies also will use. It's probably one of the better ones around, actually; I know for a fact it's much better than the local PD's range (I've shot at both ranges). I know we'll get local PD, state PD, and USMS at our range to shoot fairly regularly.

Cool. We have several who get permission for their departments to use. Coordination is the key to it all. We can use it on our own time, but where I am at they want us to have a firearm instructor out there monitoring things on his own time as well. Since it makes it a head ache, I just use Parma Woods on my own time.

fletch_man · 04-26-2012, 10:50

Yowza!!!! They did Spray, Pray, Baptism, Confirmation, AND First Communion. And, they double broke the Lou Diallo record of 41 shots and there were only two of them as opposed to the four that were involved in that shooting. I guess the lesson here is never run from, and especially never shoot at the police.

Arc Angel · 04-26-2012, 10:39

With the possible exceptions of Jim Cirillo and Bill Allard I have never heard of an NYC cop hitting anything he aimed at - either cleanly, or with the first shot - in my entire life. Not in my entire life, and I'm almost 70! I can cite numerous examples; and, more than likely, so can a lot of other people on this forum. Ain't nothing odd about this most recent report.