[Gunhaver]

I asked this question to a member on another thread;
"Are people that don't fall lockstep in line with your political ideology not good enough to help support R2BA? Can you just do without us?"

And to my surprise I got this answer;
"No I don't welcome socialists into our ranks because I know that someday you will want to turn the governments gun in my direction."

Wow. I make an effort to step outside the gun owner echo chamber and bring in people from other political leanings and being the hardcore leftist that so many here have pegged me as I know a lot of people that actually are hardcore leftists and I've turned them onto shooting. Lots of people over many years.

I tend to not think in black and white "yer wit us or yer agin us" mentality and actually realize that there are blue dog democrats that have good voting records where gun control is concerned. I know because I've voted for a few of them. It's often my single issue. I like to think that bringing more people into our hobby might affect the way they vote and maybe they'll look for those candidates if they want to enjoy the new firearm they just bought. Dunno, seems like a good way to go about it.

What do you think? Do you have no use for Second Amendment support from the left?

[Cavalry Doc]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

I asked this question to a member on another thread;
"Are people that don't fall lockstep in line with your political ideology not good enough to help support R2BA? Can you just do without us?"

And to my surprise I got this answer;
"No I don't welcome socialists into our ranks because I know that someday you will want to turn the governments gun in my direction."

Wow. I make an effort to step outside the gun owner echo chamber and bring in people from other political leanings and being the hardcore leftist that so many here have pegged me as I know a lot of people that actually are hardcore leftists and I've turned them onto shooting. Lots of people over many years.

I tend to not think in black and white "yer wit us or yer agin us" mentality and actually realize that there are blue dog democrats that have good voting records where gun control is concerned. I know because I've voted for a few of them. It's often my single issue. I like to think that bringing more people into our hobby might affect the way they vote and maybe they'll look for those candidates if they want to enjoy the new firearm they just bought. Dunno, seems like a good way to go about it.

What do you think? Do you have no use for Second Amendment support from the left?

We know you. That's at least one. Don't be so touchy. I noticed you didn't even mention my response to you, and took out of context the response from another poster that you quoted. Clever how you clipped that quote to put it into the best light to illustrate your victimhood.

Which led me to dig up the pic above.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

We know you. That's at least one. Don't be so touchy. I noticed you didn't even mention my response to you, and took out of context the response from another poster that you quoted. Clever how you clipped that quote to put it into the best light to illustrate your victimhood.

Which led me to dig up the pic above.

Out of context that didn't really change the meaning of what I did post. All in the interest of brevity. I know, not really my thing but still. Link to the full post if you think it's so scandalous. And I didn't mention you? Aw, poor guy. Who thinks highly of himself now?

[Cavalry Doc]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

Out of context that didn't really change the meaning of what I did post. All in the interest of brevity. I know, not really my thing but still. Link to the full post if you think it's so scandalous. And I didn't mention you? Aw, poor guy. Who thinks highly of himself now?

Didn't really? Had to quantify that? But it did change what he said. Sometimes, honesty is better than brevity. You didn't link to the thread either, which would have been a reasonable move.

Not mentioning me was not an issue of me feeling left out, but an issue of you failing to mention that you also got support, also changing what would have been an honest representation of the conversation. Lies of omission are still lies.

I have an assignment for you.





600 times please.

[AlexHassin]

i agree with you but it also goes both ways

I had a liberal girlfreind that refused to learn how to use a gun becuse " im a liberal"

[Ruble Noon]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

I asked this question to a member on another thread;
"Are people that don't fall lockstep in line with your political ideology not good enough to help support R2BA? Can you just do without us?"

And to my surprise I got this answer;
"No I don't welcome socialists into our ranks because I know that someday you will want to turn the governments gun in my direction."

Wow. I make an effort to step outside the gun owner echo chamber and bring in people from other political leanings and being the hardcore leftist that so many here have pegged me as I know a lot of people that actually are hardcore leftists and I've turned them onto shooting. Lots of people over many years.

I tend to not think in black and white "yer wit us or yer agin us" mentality and actually realize that there are blue dog democrats that have good voting records where gun control is concerned. I know because I've voted for a few of them. It's often my single issue. I like to think that bringing more people into our hobby might affect the way they vote and maybe they'll look for those candidates if they want to enjoy the new firearm they just bought. Dunno, seems like a good way to go about it.

What do you think? Do you have no use for Second Amendment support from the left?

Yes I do. Socialists such as yourself, no.

[janice6]

Yes I do. Others often feel they are responsible for their own safety.

Odd though, they don't want their friends to know.

[sbhaven]

There are plenty of liberal gun owners. Go look at the DU gun forum. There are more than a few liberals who understand and support 2A.

However, while they may claim to support gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment, those very same liberal/progressive gun owners continually vote for politicians who would love nothing more than to grab their guns along with yours and mine.

One must remember that as crazy as we think many of them are, many of them think the same way about anyone who doesn't share their progressive views.

[series1811]

It's not that there are not liberals who don't like to shoot. There are. I know some. It's that they would trade that right to shoot and own guns for other things more important to them as liberals.

Like socialism.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by series1811

It's not that there are not liberals who don't like to shoot. There are. I know some. It's that they would trade that right to shoot and own guns for other things more important to them as liberals.

Like socialism.

I don't understand this either/or mindset. Like somehow we can only have either what all liberals want or what all conservatives want (as if everyone on either side all wanted exactly the same things) instead of a mix of both, which is exactly what we have now.

[427]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

I asked this question to a member on another thread;
"Are people that don't fall lockstep in line with your political ideology not good enough to help support R2BA? Can you just do without us?"

And to my surprise I got this answer;
"No I don't welcome socialists into our ranks because I know that someday you will want to turn the governments gun in my direction."

Wow. I make an effort to step outside the gun owner echo chamber and bring in people from other political leanings and being the hardcore leftist that so many here have pegged me as I know a lot of people that actually are hardcore leftists and I've turned them onto shooting. Lots of people over many years.

I tend to not think in black and white "yer wit us or yer agin us" mentality and actually realize that there are blue dog democrats that have good voting records where gun control is concerned. I know because I've voted for a few of them. It's often my single issue. I like to think that bringing more people into our hobby might affect the way they vote and maybe they'll look for those candidates if they want to enjoy the new firearm they just bought. Dunno, seems like a good way to go about it.

What do you think? Do you have no use for Second Amendment support from the left?

Leftists want to keep their weapons, they just don't want anybody else have them. They will keep voting for liberals. It typical of their behavior.

For example, they will escape a leftist state like cali, only to take their liberal ideology and voting habits and eventually turning the state they fled to into the state they left.

[Cavalry Doc]

Originally Posted by 427

Leftists want to keep their weapons, they just don't want anybody else have them. They will keep voting for liberals. It typical of their behavior.

For example, they will escape a leftist state like cali, only to take their liberal ideology and voting habits and eventually turning the state they fled to into the state they left.

That has often made me wonder if Texas should not secure our northern border first. No Kalifornians allowed.

[427]

Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

That has often made me wonder if Texas should not secure our northern border first. No Kalifornians allowed.

Deport them.

[Ruble Noon]

Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

That has often made me wonder if Texas should not secure our northern border first. No Kalifornians allowed.

They are a scourge on society reminiscent of the locust hordes that ravaged the plains.

[jakebrake]

truthfully? i think a total of 3. no wait...one sold his gun....

2

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

That has often made me wonder if Texas should not secure our northern border first. No Kalifornians allowed.

Quit yer whining. I live next door to the Twitshine State.

My town is full of them for the holiday. They all love it here and can't wait to make it more like Kommifornia.

The good news is, the LGS is doing a land office business in case lots of ammo, and they aren't selling to Californicators.

[callihan_44]

one centrist co-worker gladly voted obama in 08, but joined in the gun-ammo buying craze after he won in fear he would crack down on the 2A....

[whoflungdo]

Originally Posted by callihan_44

one centrist co-worker gladly voted obama in 08, but joined in the gun-ammo buying craze after he won in fear he would crack down on the 2A....

That's because, at least in my experience, they support the 2A, but it is secondary or tertiary to other issues/rights they think are more important. And they don't think the government will come after "Their" guns...

[Cavalry Doc]

Originally Posted by countrygun

Quit yer whining. I live next door to the Twitshine State.

My town is full of them for the holiday. They all love it here and can't wait to make it more like Kommifornia.

The good news is, the LGS is doing a land office business in case lots of ammo, and they aren't selling to Californicators.

The local PD pulls over every California plated car that does not have Fort Hood Stickers, and asks them when they are leaving. If he pulls them over twice, gives them a map. Third time cites them for both tail lights being broken.




















































Only in my dreams.

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

The local PD pulls over every California plated car that does not have Fort Hood Stickers, and asks them when they are leaving. If he pulls them over twice, gives them a map. Third time cites them for both tail lights being broken.

Only in my dreams.

Well, since our little town sits on the highway, they tend to come barreling through in their winnebagos, runamuckas, and what ever, completely ignoring the speed limit as if all of the signs, the two traffic lights,, many trffic signs, buildings and pedestrians gave them no clue they were in a city. They keep our local PD busy. Now if it is a minor violation and they mention that they were doing something that involved spending money in our town, that falls into a seperate category of "warning" violation.




or so the viscious, unconfirmed and AFAIK totally untrue rumor is.

[Jerry]

Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

That has often made me wonder if Texas should not secure our northern border first. No Kalifornians allowed.

Take a look at what's happening in Florida and the mindset of many of those in SE Texas. I'd say the answer to your question is yes.

I don't trust liberals. They will trade my 2nd. amendment right for socialist programs any day of the week. I don't take anyone I can't trust into my confidence so therefor want nothing to do with "liberals"... gun owner or not.

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by Jerry

Take a look at what's happening in Florida and the mindset of many of those in SE Texas. I'd say the answer to your question is yes.

I don't trust liberals. They will trade my 2nd. amendment right for socialist programs any day of the week. I don't take anyone I can't trust into my confidence so therefor want nothing to do with "liberals"... gun owner or not.

I take it one step further than you. I find that Liberals operate on a belief system without foundation. They have a fanaticism, or at least sympathy for fanatics in their circle, that rivals the worst most atheists can claim of religious zealots.

Despite the failures of many liberal policies and programs their response is generally, "It failed because we didn't have enough of it" Sounds like a religious zealot talking about lack of faith.

Like a zealot, they will throw anyone under the bus to further the cause. The truth be told, and I am being completely honest, despite the fact that many of them point to "gun owners" and "Hawks" and like to pretend to be peaceful, the hatred and venom that comes out of their mouths when they talk about conservatives is frightening and justifies the deepest level of distrust one can manage.

Many of them are truly "Wolves in sheep's clothing"

[Jerry]

Originally Posted by countrygun

Like a zealot, they will throw anyone under the bus to further the cause. The truth be told, and I am being completely honest, despite the fact that many of them point to "gun owners" and "Hawks" and like to pretend to be peaceful, the hatred and venom that comes out of their mouths when they talk about conservatives is frightening and justifies the deepest level of distrust one can manage.

Many of them are truly "Wolves in sheep's clothing"

[SARCASM]But what you fail to see is its OK for them to do it because its for the higher cause.[/sarcasm]

[Walt_NC]

I consider myself to be an independent as I vote based upon my perception of a candidates priorities and capabilities, not because of their party affiliation. That being said, I lean left on most social issues and am moderately conservative in economic and foreign policy issues, but with a constructivist/realist blend. In any event, I will most likely be voting for Pres. Obama in November for pragmatic reasons, which I am sure will result in my being labeled as a liberal fascist commie socialist lefty nazi by some of this forums mouth-breathing basement dwellers.

I own many guns, carry daily, hunt as often as possible, and compete in many firearms disciplines.

[Jerry]

Originally Posted by Walt_NC

I consider myself to be an independent as I vote based upon my perception of a candidates priorities and capabilities, not because of their party affiliation. That being said, I lean left on most social issues and am moderately conservative in economic and foreign policy issues, but with a constructivist/realist blend. In any event, I will most likely be voting for Pres. Obama in November for pragmatic reasons, which I am sure will result in my being labeled as a liberal fascist commie socialist lefty nazi by some of this forums mouth-breathing basement dwellers.

I own many guns, carry daily, hunt as often as possible, and compete in many firearms disciplines.

I would love to tell you what that labels you as but GT rules won't allow it.