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Old 08-11-2012, 16:31   #1
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Army general is military's first openly gay flag officer

This is not really a political issue, or an Army issue - more of a social issue thing I guess, so I'm going to try GNG as a forum for it.

Army general is military's first openly gay flag officer

The interesting thing isn't that they made her a general and let her "wife" pin on her stars - that would be in keeping with Army policy . . . if you could make general in your first year.

The interesting part is, she has been in the Army for 26 years. More than 19 years ago, she had to state in writing that she was not a homosexual in order to join and I believe she may have had to lie about it again on her security clearance documents throughout the years. Even during Don't Ask Don't Tell, she was in violation for actually having a girlfriend/wife/whatever she calls her. DADT only stopped them from asking, it remained a UCMJ violation to have sex with a person of the same sex.

So that decided to ignore violations o fthe past - but does that wipe out an entire career of lying to the Army and violating regulations, to make her a general?

If she was straight and had a DUI as a captain, she probably wouldn't even be in the Army right now.
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:36   #2
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Being that she's a gay flag officer, does her car have little rainbow flags on the front fenders when she's driven around?

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Old 08-13-2012, 21:11   #3
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Being that she's a gay flag officer, does her car have little rainbow flags on the front fenders when she's driven around?

I still find it repulsive but I guess America has changed over the years.
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Old 08-13-2012, 21:28   #4
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I still find it repulsive but I guess America has changed over the years.
It's ever changing.

I find a lot of things "normal" people do repulsive. I am sure a lot of what goes on among gay people would gross me out, too. But ultimately, it's their life. As long as they don't hurt anyone, as long as they don't force me to live by their standards, as long as they make an attempt to live by the general rules of civil society, they should be free to do as they please in their private lives.
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Old 08-11-2012, 16:36   #5
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This is not really a political issue, or an Army issue - more of a social issue thing I guess, so I'm going to try GNG as a forum for it.

Army general is military's first openly gay flag officer

The interesting thing isn't that they made her a general and let her "wife" pin on her stars - that would be in keeping with Army policy . . . if you could make general in your first year.

The interesting part is, she has been in the Army for 26 years. More than 19 years ago, she had to state in writing that she was not a homosexual in order to join and I believe she may have had to lie about it again on her security clearance documents throughout the years. Even during Don't Ask Don't Tell, she was in violation for actually having a girlfriend/wife/whatever she calls her. DADT only stopped them from asking, it remained a UCMJ violation to have sex with a person of the same sex.

So that decided to ignore violations o fthe past - but does that wipe out an entire career of lying to the Army and violating regulations, to make her a general?

If she was straight and had a DUI as a captain, she probably wouldn't even be in the Army right now.
It's not like she's lied about her qualifications or having a prior criminal record. She lied under a policy of discrimination that 40 years from now would appear no different than "No colored people" policies do now. She shouldn't have been put in this situation in the first place.
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Old 08-11-2012, 17:33   #6
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I know of at least three full bull Colonels who received UCMJ punishment for adultery. One case happened within the last year or so. I don't see any reason she should be given an exemption for her violations. I'm on Bren's side on this one.
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Old 08-11-2012, 18:49   #7
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I know of at least three full bull Colonels who received UCMJ punishment for adultery. One case happened within the last year or so. I don't see any reason she should be given an exemption for her violations. I'm on Bren's side on this one.
What's the UCMJ definition of adultery ? Seriously, I've got no idea. Were they married and fooling around ? Or were they unmarried and had a girlfriend ?

Are all UCMJ personnel prohibited by having a relationship with other UCMJ personnel, even if neither is married ?
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Old 08-11-2012, 18:53   #8
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Anyone surprised? Really??
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In an age when Nobel Prizes are handed out for doing absolutely nothing, no. I am not.
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Old 08-11-2012, 19:01   #10
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Right on the money, Bren.

Just more proof we are in the time of what is right is wrong and what is wrong is right.

Fact: A lying CIC or a lying general, whats the difference? No agency is enforcing the law on criminals and the american people have no power over their leaders to do so anymore.
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It's not like she's lied about her qualifications or having a prior criminal record. She lied under a policy of discrimination that 40 years from now would appear no different than "No colored people" policies do now. She shouldn't have been put in this situation in the first place.
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Old 08-11-2012, 18:25   #12
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What would McArthur, Patton, Bradley, Nimitz, Sgt. York and Audie Murphy think of this crap?
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Old 08-11-2012, 18:29   #13
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How would you feel if she was Jewish and there was a policy against Jews serving? Then years later the discriminative policy was eliminated. Would you think her hiding her religion was justified?
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Old 08-12-2012, 10:53   #14
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How would you feel if she was Jewish and there was a policy against Jews serving? Then years later the discriminative policy was eliminated. Would you think her hiding her religion was justified?
Why try to make a correlation between one's ethnicity or faith to one's actions? It is a FALSE. Stop it!
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Why try to make a correlation between one's ethnicity or faith to one's actions? It is a FALSE. Stop it!
I believe being gay is a genetic or psychological trait not a choice. Sexual orientation should be a protected class which prevents discrimination. The rules were unjust thE same as if you weren't allowed to serve based on race or faith.

I am attracted to women and don't find men attractive. I've never consciously told myself to like women so I assume the same occurs for those who are gay but towardS thE same sex.

If your in the camp of its a voluntary action to be gay, then the same is true with religion. One chooses their faith and decides to continue practicing their faith. My comparison is perfectly valid if you believe sexual orientation is a action of choice.

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What would McArthur, Patton, Bradley, Nimitz, Sgt. York and Audie Murphy think of this crap?
Probably would worry more about the work they do than who they sleep with.
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What would McArthur, Patton, Bradley, Nimitz, Sgt. York and Audie Murphy think of this crap?
Who cares what a bunch of dead guys think?
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Half his posts are troll posts, don't mind him.
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Half his posts are troll posts, don't mind him.
I think I have told you once before. If you have a beef with me, PM me. Don't be a punk and do it on the forum, but, if you do, I understand, as that's your style.

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