[SGT278ACR]

I was just talking to a co-worker about this ammo. You know... I love the show "The Walking Dead" but that's about as far as my fascination with the "zombie" thing goes. We were saying that somebody up at Hornady's corporate headquarters is sitting back and laughing their asses off at how much money they're making off the zombie novelty ammo. Change the color on the ammo and design a scary zombie looking box for packaging and they're making a killing off of a bunch of geeks buying up the ammo just because it says "zombie" on the box. When in reality, it's just "critical defense" with different colored tips and a cartoon box.

[Creatism]

Some places are charging double for "zombie max" I bet they are laughing.


Typed from my iPhone with my thumbs!!

[PettyOfficer]

I was at a gunshow recently where a box of 20 Zombie were cheaper than a box of 20 Critical Defense.

I thought they are the same and laughed a little inside.

I'm tempted to buy a box for the novelty sake, but why not shoot good ammo? As well, I already have my SD ammo stocked up nicely.

[elliotb33]

Originally Posted by PettyOfficer

I was at a gunshow recently where a box of 20 Zombie were cheaper than a box of 20 Critical Defense.

I thought they are the same and laughed a little inside.

I'm tempted to buy a box for the novelty sake, but why not shoot good ammo? As well, I already have my SD ammo stocked up nicely.

Yea I see some places the zombie is cheaper than the defense.

[M 7]

Too controversial for legitimate SD use. (try 'splainin' why you used ammo designed to "kill" the "undead" to the jury without looking like a "nut")

Too expensive for practice. (plain old ball ammo is much cheaper)

Pass.

[bobtheelf]

Originally Posted by M 7

Too controversial for legitimate SD use. (try 'splainin' why you used ammo designed to "kill" the "undead" to the jury without looking like a "nut")

I don't understand this argument. If it's the same as Critical Defense, I would think a competent lawyer should be able to demonstrate that, and a simple explanation of "it was (less expensive/more available) than identical ammo of a different color" should be sufficient.

[M 7]

Originally Posted by bobtheelf

I don't understand this argument. If it's the same as Critical Defense, I would think a competent lawyer should be able to demonstrate that, and a simple explanation of "it was (less expensive/more available) than identical ammo of a different color" should be sufficient.

Read the thread. It's been discussed.

[bobtheelf]

Originally Posted by M 7

Read the thread. It's been discussed.

I did read the thread. That doesn't mean I agree with all the conclusions drawn. It would be nice if there were some actual cases where this issue came up.

[M 7]

Originally Posted by bobtheelf

I don't understand this argument.[/COLOR] If it's the same as Critical Defense, I would think a competent lawyer should be able to demonstrate that, and a simple explanation of "it was (less expensive/more available) than identical ammo of a different color" should be sufficient.

Originally Posted by M 7

Read the thread. It's been discussed.

Originally Posted by bobtheelf

I did read the thread. That doesn't mean I agree with all the conclusions drawn. It would be nice if there were some actual cases where this issue came up.

In your first post you stated, "I don't understand this argument." and then you stated, "That doesn't mean I agree with all the conclusions drawn."

There's a big difference between "not understanding" and "not agreeing".

If you don't understand, please feel free to read the thread. It's been discussed.

If you don't agree with me, well, that's fine, too. I never said that you had to.

You can also refer to post #35 and get the perspective of an expert (M. Ayoob) on the matter.

[jbglock]

Originally Posted by bobtheelf

I don't understand this argument. If it's the same as Critical Defense, I would think a competent lawyer should be able to demonstrate that, and a simple explanation of "it was (less expensive/more available) than identical ammo of a different color" should be sufficient.

Originally Posted by jbglock

People in this forum really should start going to court some. Honestly I'd think the same as many of you if I didn't have to go so much because of my job and didn't get to talk to juries afterwards (win or lose) to see what influenced them. Let's not forget that many times a lot of leeway is given in the closing arguments. Things that were not introduced as fact are often introduced in an underhanded way right then. Things that we as knowledgeable enthusiasts consider silly can easily become one of many factors that will influence the jury. I'm even sitting here now wondering if any Zombie .22lr ammo is out there for my child to use for fun when he is shooting Zombie targets. Still I'd never put any in a gun I have on my side for self defense and the argument that one of you might run out of ammo and have to use your Zombie ammo is just silly. Who can't afford the cheaper ammo yet stocks up on the Zombie novelty stuff?

No offense but a good lawyer could make it an issue easily. Whether the jury buys it or not is another story. You can't depend on having a jury full of people sympathetic towards our rights.

[blacksheep40]

but trying to be a troll or start a fight but I for one am tired of the "legal aspect" comments of all things firearms...

[M 7]

Originally Posted by blacksheep40

but trying to be a troll or start a fight but I for one am tired of the "legal aspect" comments of all things firearms...

I beg to differ. I wasn't trolling or trying to start a fight.

I simply voiced a simple observation and opinion.

I've not called anyone a name, derided anyone's opinion or acted disrespectfully.

[9mm +p+]

Originally Posted by blacksheep40

but trying to be a troll or start a fight but I for one am tired of the "legal aspect" comments of all things firearms...

Agreed, everyone is a friggin attorney online.

[blacksheep40]

sorry, auto correct fudged my post.. *not trying to be a troll

[M 7]

Originally Posted by blacksheep40

sorry, auto correct fudged my post.. *not trying to be a troll

blacksheep,

OK. No problem.

Seems these days everyone takes exception to everything- guess I am getting too sensitive to it.

[blacksheep40]

damn you autocorrect...

[jakebrake]

Originally Posted by blacksheep40

damn you autocorrect...

stupid autocorrect is a piece of shirt!

[Kromedome]

Love the Zombie thing! Movies, novels, e-books and such are a treat to me. The Walking Dead is my absolute fave tv show but, that being said, I can't bring myself to purchase anything zombie/firearm related. Glad the merch is moving money around but it's surely not for me. ETA: Don't want to side-track the OP but has anyone seen those EO-Tech Zombie Stopper HWS's?

[blacksheep40]

another thing that kills me is the people in yt videos showing the pistol is unloaded 9000 times... I'm not in the room for your dumb ass to shoot me, so I dont care if your gun is unloaded...

[jfost11]

Originally Posted by blacksheep40

another thing that kills me is the people in yt videos showing the pistol is unloaded 9000 times... I'm not in the room for your dumb ass to shoot me, so I dont care if your gun is unloaded...

I feel the same way. If they shot their camera or themselves, I figure the video wouldn't have been posted.

[bobtheelf]

Originally Posted by blacksheep40

another thing that kills me is the people in yt videos showing the pistol is unloaded 9000 times... I'm not in the room for your dumb ass to shoot me, so I dont care if your gun is unloaded...

I'm mostly OK with that. Nothing wrong with reinforcing good safe habits.

[JW1178]

In a legal sense any prosecutor that tried to argue that ammo as more deadly would be the one that looks like a nut. You can say "its no different that the regular stuff and since I make my living from work and not stealing I had to actually buy it and it was cheaper, and it's just a joke". All in all it's just packaging.

I think that if you were really facing zombies who are already dead, the only way to stop them would be to totally disable them so they couldn't physically do anything to you, so anything less than a shotgun would be futile because you would have to dismember them.

Anyways, I don't worry about a coming of a zombie appocolypse, I worry about the ********* appocolypse that is already upon us.

[jetttstream]

Originally Posted by JW1178

In a legal sense any prosecutor that tried to argue that ammo as more deadly would be the one that looks like a nut. You can say "its no different that the regular stuff and since I make my living from work and not stealing I had to actually buy it and it was cheaper, and it's just a joke". All in all it's just packaging.

I think that if you were really facing zombies who are already dead, the only way to stop them would be to totally disable them so they couldn't physically do anything to you, so anything less than a shotgun would be futile because you would have to dismember them.

Anyways, I don't worry about a coming of a zombie appocolypse, I worry about the ********* appocolypse that is already upon us.

This is perfect!

[CigarandScotch]

I bought some for the novelty factor (and not to shoot or use for SD for the same reasons mentioned above). Yes, I am a geek. I figure sooner or later they will either stop selling it, or the MSM will do some stupid story about it so it gets pulled from the shelves. Then it will become the stuff of legend, like Black Talons.

Maybe I will be able to get $5 per round...

[robhic]

I bought some for the novelty and to take my eldest grand dude shooting. He shot up a bunch of Zombie targets with Zombie ammo and was a happy boy. Shootin' and learnin' the "way of the 9mm" I felt was a win-win proposition!