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Old 10-07-2012, 18:03   #1
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Romney will sign an assault weapons ban.

I just want to make sure this is absolutely clear.
Romney says if he is elected he will sign an assault weapons ban if one is brought to him. Just like george bush said he would. The republican party is not really pro-second amendment. The guy who is in favor of an assault weapons ban is the guy who will be picking supreme court justices.
Better than the dems? Sure, but not much.
I'll be voting for a guy and party that does not really support the second amendment.
I wish people would stop pretending republicans are pro-second amendment.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:09   #2
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Romney is still a better choice than Obama.

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Old 10-08-2012, 06:03   #3
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Romney is still a better choice than Obama.

Yep - even with him saying that, he's a much better and safer choice for guns than Obama.
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So every four years you can vote for a liberal of one flavor or another, or you can help support a third party, showing the Republicans why they deserve to lose, and actually start making a difference in the long term.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:18   #5
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Given Obama's appointee Holder and his words on the topic when speaking for the Administration I find no difference.



"On February 25, 2009 newly sworn-in Attorney General Eric Holder repeated the Obama administration's desire to reinstate the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.[18] The mention came in response to a question, about 20 minutes into a joint press conference with DEA Acting Administrator Michele Leonhart, discussing efforts to crack down on Mexican drug cartels. Attorney General Holder said: "[...] there are just a few gun-related changes that we would like to make, and among them would be to reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons."[19]"

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Since that clearly illustrates the current Administration's well known attitude I can only conclude that the OP of this thread is just another 3rd party Wanker.
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Old 10-07-2012, 18:22   #6
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So every four years you can vote for a liberal of one flavor or another, or you can help support a third party, showing the Republicans why they deserve to lose, and actually start making a difference in the long term.
You can vote for 3rd party if you want to. It isn't going to make any difference either way. You are mistaken if you think the rest of the republicans are going to pay attention to you.
The republicans want the president to be somebody who is not pro-second amendment. They do not hold the same views as you. Leaving a party where you are not wanted is not going to make them feel bad.
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So every four years you can vote for a liberal of one flavor or another, or you can help support a third party, showing the Republicans why they deserve to lose, and actually start making a difference in the long term.
As someone who is active in my local REC (Republican Executive Committee), let me tell you that those of you who are voting 3rd party and dropping out of the GOP aren't showing the party jack, and the ONLY difference you will make is to help the candidate furthest from your views.

Let me explain reality.

The party, if all of the Libertarians, Constitution Party, and conservative Independents got involved, would be about 35-40% conservatives, about 25% big government RINOs (the ones we mostly hate that are fine with big, intrusive government as long as they are the ones running it) and about 35-40% "moderate" Republicans. When all the conservatives get their panties in a twist and go off to be independents and Libertarians and "teach the Republican Party a lesson", here is what happens. The party is made of of less conservatives, the moderates split among multiple candidates, and the RINOs can win the primaries with 25% of the vote. As a party, the GOP doesn't say, "Gosh, how can we get the conservatives back." Instead they say, "Gosh, how can we attract moderate Independents and Democrats."

You want to make a difference? The get back in the game and encourage conservative candidates to run, then vote for them in the primary. The party doesn't choose the candidates, the voters do. When conservatives abandon the party or don't vote in the primaries because they have better things to do, the moderates and RINOs pick the candidate. It's that simple.

Or you can keep whining and ensure the election of the candidate MOST diametrically opposed to your views because the candidate closer to your views is "the lesser of two evils".

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Old 10-07-2012, 21:29   #8
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As someone who is active in my local REC (Republican Executive Committee), let me tell you that those of you who are voting 3rd party and dropping out of the GOP aren't showing the party jack, and the ONLY difference you will make is to help the candidate furthest from your views.

Let me explain reality.

The party, if all of the Libertarians, Constitution Party, and conservative Independents got involved, would be about 35-40% conservatives, about 25% big government RINOs (the ones we mostly hate that are fine with big, intrusive government as long as they are the ones running it) and about 35-40% "moderate" Republicans. When all the conservatives get their panties in a twist and go off to be independents and Libertarians and "teach the Republican Party a lesson", here is what happens. The party is made of of less conservatives, the moderates split among multiple candidates, and the RINOs can win the primaries with 25% of the vote. As a party, the GOP doesn't say, "Gosh, how can we get the conservatives back." Instead they say, "Gosh, how can we attract moderate Independents and Democrats."

You want to make a difference? The get back in the game and encourage conservative candidates to run, then vote for them in the primary. The party doesn't choose the candidates, the voters do. When conservatives abandon the party or don't vote in the primaries because they have better things to do, the moderates and RINOs pick the candidate. It's that simple.

Or you can keep whining and ensure the election of the candidate MOST diametrically opposed to your views because the candidate closer to your views is "the lesser of two evils".

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I want to vote 3rd party this time, but my priority is getting the terrorist out of the White House. Next time I'll vote 3rd party for sure.


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I did not support him in the primaries due to a couple of reasons - this was one. However, he will not compromise his base. He's smart enough to understand that would end it for his political future.

Contrast that with Obama who has tried to backdoor restricting gun rights with his EPA nazis and other means. His base wants no part of the 2A. In a second term, Obama will pursue many objectives that were too controversial for the first term. I'm convinced that attacking gun rights is near the top of his list.

As for the third party issue...again. The time to fight for your viable independent candidate has come & gone. The reality is that the race is between two. One of them is the radical incumbent who will win unless the challenger gets enough votes. A vote for any candidate other than Romney will help Obama. Yea, it's a tough pill to swallow...but that's the choices.
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Contrast that with Obama who has tried to backdoor restricting gun rights with his EPA nazis...
Please explain the connection between the EPA and our 2A rights.

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It will always be "THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF ALL TIME." Every time.
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It will always be "THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF ALL TIME." Every time.
I've noticed that too The same old lies from the same old liars. I used to vote a straight republican ticket, but the last election I voted for Ron Paul as a write in candidate and I plan on doing the exact same thing this time. Ronald Reagan used to say that he never left the democrat party, but the democrat party left him. That is exactly how I feel about todays republican party. All the lies, the cheating, and the vote tampering that took place in this years republican primary and convention were enough to make me say that I cannot vote for Mitt Romney. Come election day I will either write in Ron Paul or just not even bother to vote at all. It is ALL so crooked and corrupt. Both the GOP and DNC are liars, murderers and thieves. This two-party system will be what destroys our once great Republic.
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I've noticed that too The same old lies from the same old liars. I used to vote a straight republican ticket, but the last election I voted for Ron Paul as a write in candidate and I plan on doing the exact same thing this time. Ronald Reagan used to say that he never left the democrat party, but the democrat party left him. That is exactly how I feel about todays republican party. All the lies, the cheating, and the vote tampering that took place in this years republican primary and convention were enough to make me say that I cannot vote for Mitt Romney. Come election day I will either write in Ron Paul or just not even bother to vote at all. It is ALL so crooked and corrupt. Both the GOP and DNC are liars, murderers and thieves. This two-party system will be what destroys our once great Republic.

MOST people who have paid attention will have noticed that there are many here who have voted for a "libertarian' candidate before, some many times, some even voted for Paul in the primaries. Many say they would do so again BUT their actual EXPERIENCE in this world has convinced then that getting Obama out of office RIGHT NOW is more important than "Making a statement" or making themselves feel all warm and fuzzy.

Again, this isn't because they are prone to "panic" "Most important election" influence, or they never would have voted libertarian in the first place.

They have suspended long held beliefs to deal with a real threat in the White House based on what they have learned over the years.

That should make you sit up and take notice.
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Would that "next time" be 2020? Because if Romney wins, the new RNC rules won't allow any primary challengers and you'll still be expected to support him again even if he turns out to be terrible.
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Would that "next time" be 2020? Because if Romney wins, the new RNC rules won't allow any primary challengers and you'll still be expected to support him again even if he turns out to be terrible.
Oh, man. You know this one had to have come straight from the DNC or DU. It is that good!

Voting for Romney is just like beating up a woman. Of course, we see it, now. How could we have been so stupid?

Thank you for posting that talking point. I'm converted.
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Oh, man. You know this one had to have come straight from the DNC or DU. It is that good!

Voting for Romney is just like beating up a woman. Of course, we see it, now. How could we have been so stupid?

Thank you for posting that talking point. I'm converted.
Nice job to both you and Cav for missing the point entirely.

"HE SAYS IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN" and "NEXT TIME WILL BE DIFFERENT" are famous last words. Yes yes, Romney's "different" now than he was a few years ago because he said so. I wonder how many times battered wives had heard and thought that same line, only to find out that next time is WORSE than the last time. I guess metaphors are too advanced for the braintrust on GTPI.
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Nice job to both you and Cav for missing the point entirely.

"HE SAYS IT WON'T HAPPEN AGAIN" and "NEXT TIME WILL BE DIFFERENT" are famous last words. Yes yes, Romney's "different" now than he was a few years ago because he said so. I wonder how many times battered wives had heard and thought that same line, only to find out that next time is WORSE than the last time. I guess metaphors are too advanced for the braintrust on GTPI.

Come to think of it, it does remind me of your posts

"only to find out that next time is WORSE than the last time."
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