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Old 11-07-2012, 18:20   #1
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Why you guys really lost.

It isn't a matter of getting those that do agree with you out to vote. It's because you can't convince anyone new to vote on your side. In short, you guys suck at debate.

Take a look at some of the threads on the religious issues forum and see how ineffective the arguments from the religious conservatives are. Take a look at this forum and see how anyone is treated when they express a left leaning opinion on anything. Even the third party voters weren't convinced and they lined up with you Romney supporters on many issues.

As long as abortion is always murder, gays have an agenda to destroy the traditional family, women should have rape babies and planned parenthood (which is directly responsible for many of you not making child support payments) is the major drain of tax dollars in this country, black people are the main users of welfare, and your golden boy candidate honestly believes in talking salamanders, getting his own planet and magic holy underwear then very, very few new voters are going to take you seriously.

Think about it. Who do republicans rail against? Anyone that disagrees with them. That's a whole lot of people and that was just proven to you last night. Women, gays, minorities, atheists, libertarians, poor people, sick people... that's a whole lot of people. Romney flat out said that 47% of us were worthless. Who do democrats rail against? Republicans, the rich, people that think their bible should be a guide to the law. Not nearly so many people and the points they make against those people are so much better than anything your side is saying about your enemies.

When someone comes here, or to any forum where conservatives are the majority, and expresses an opinion that differs from your own the correct response is not, "Yer jist a damned liberal!" or, "You're looking for a free ride!"

You might want to consider dumping the religious insanity that so many of us are sick of and start making some damned sense. You could stick to the fiscal matters and relay that info to the fence sitters while dumping anyone from your party that opens his stupid mouth about gays or taxpayer funded birth control.

Or you could just run Rick Santorum in 2016 on the NO MORE PORN ticket, hope for the best in one hand and frothy mix in the other and see which one fills up first.
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Old 11-07-2012, 19:30   #2
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True. The only way to win now is to pander. Are you Hispanic? We'll give you amnesty. Like leeching off society? Welfare for all. Female? Abortions on-demand up to 9 months and free birth control. Underwater on your home because you were stupid and greedy? We'll bail you out. Too much student loan debt because you picked a worthless education? We'll wipe out your debt. Etc. Gimme gimme gimme.

I can't wait until the dollar collapses and the whole thing implodes. Don't come crying to me when it does.

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Old 11-08-2012, 14:54   #3
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True. The only way to win now is to pander. Are you Hispanic? We'll give you amnesty. Like leeching off society? Welfare for all. Female? Abortions on-demand up to 9 months and free birth control. Underwater on your home because you were stupid and greedy? We'll bail you out. Too much student loan debt because you picked a worthless education? We'll wipe out your debt. Etc. Gimme gimme gimme.

I can't wait until the dollar collapses and the whole thing implodes. Don't come crying to me when it does.
True to a degree. As whoever it was said, "Once people realisethey can vote themselves money, it is over." And so it is. Te nature of socialism is that it promises many people more more that tey don't have to earn and makes them feel good about it.

BUT you might just have lost your last chance to do anything to reverse that. 12 million illegals will now ge the vote. That means 95% of the 15% blacks will vote democrat plus the 75% of well over 10% hispanics. That is without any political thought at all. Then a whole lot who might dislike a lot of the fiscal policies and simple crookedness of so many Democrat Pols and who might vote Republican if only the Republicans were not saddled with even sillier social ideas than the Democrats. The religious right have just thrown away this election for the sake of feeling good about their silly ideas.

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Old 11-09-2012, 08:01   #4
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True. The only way to win now is to pander. Are you Hispanic? We'll give you amnesty. Like leeching off society? Welfare for all. Female? Abortions on-demand up to 9 months and free birth control. Underwater on your home because you were stupid and greedy? We'll bail you out. Too much student loan debt because you picked a worthless education? We'll wipe out your debt. Etc. Gimme gimme gimme.

I can't wait until the dollar collapses and the whole thing implodes. Don't come crying to me when it does.

Right on the money. All you bleeding hearts should be careful of what you ask for.
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Old 11-07-2012, 19:32   #5
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They wanted to appeal to the masses, so they picked a 2 percenter.
They wanted to appeal to the Christians, so they picked a Mormon.
They wanted to appeal to the unemployed, so they picked a guy noted for his layoffs.
They wanted to appeal to the 2d Amendment crowd, so they picked a guy who waffles on the issue.
They wanted to appeal to Blacks, so they found up some Uncle Toms.
This year was a Republican gift to the Democrats.
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Old 11-07-2012, 19:36   #6
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Disagree. We (not you guys) lost because there are now more parasites than hosts in this country. I only hope it accelerates from here so that I am still able to contribute to the end result and see a rebuild begin.
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Old 11-07-2012, 19:46   #7
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Disagree. We (not you guys) lost because there are now more parasites than hosts in this country. I only hope it accelerates from here so that I am still able to contribute to the end result and see a rebuild begin.
That is exactly the kind of rhetoric that is going to drive the final nail in the GOP coffin. Rather than look inward, you blame the electorate. Rather than reexamine the party stance on social issues, you proclaim that the problem is that Mitt wasn't conservative enough. Good luck with that.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:02   #8
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That is exactly the kind of rhetoric that is going to drive the final nail in the GOP coffin. Rather than look inward, you blame the electorate. Rather than reexamine the party stance on social issues, you proclaim that the problem is that Mitt wasn't conservative enough. Good luck with that.
Wrong again. Look at my other posts on libertarians and the GOP. Obama won because we have now tipped the scales with more dependents than providers. That's the blunt truth. However I do think if we made changes to unite the non-parasites, we might have a chance next time. Unfortunately I doubt that will happen.
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Personally I would like to see a libertarian mindset find a home in the GOP. I voted for a 3rd party candidate when Clinton ran (Ross Perot). So I am sympathetic to the idea of making significant changes from the "left" "right" mentality. However I also don't think we will have a 3rd party president in my lifetime. So I'd like to see better support during the primaries for a libertarian-like minded candidate. Mind you, I'm not completely in that court either...however I am finding that I am closer to them than many of our GOP frontrunners.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:13   #9
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Wrong again. Look at my other posts on libertarians and the GOP. Obama won because we have now tipped the scales with more dependents than providers. That's the blunt truth. However I do think if we made changes to unite the non-parasites, we might have a chance next time. Unfortunately I doubt that will happen.
Repeal the 17th Amendment and it doesn't matter as much.

It really is the answer to most of this country's problems.

There are 30 republican governors now.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:02   #10
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That is exactly the kind of rhetoric that is going to drive the final nail in the GOP coffin. Rather than look inward, you blame the electorate. Rather than reexamine the party stance on social issues, you proclaim that the problem is that Mitt wasn't conservative enough. Good luck with that.
What? You don't think that insulting the populace will help both them and the GOP? Those people have got to straighten up and do what the wealthy elite want.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:03   #11
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do what the wealthy elite want.
Yea, okay...that's what I said.
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Old 11-07-2012, 20:11   #12
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What? You don't think that insulting the populace will help both them and the GOP? Those people have got to straighten up and do what the wealthy elite want.
well the wealthy should listen to the poor because they are so smart and successful after all. they have managed to a void the trappings and headaches of wealth and success.
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Old 11-09-2012, 05:47   #13
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That is exactly the kind of rhetoric that is going to drive the final nail in the GOP coffin. Rather than look inward, you blame the electorate. Rather than reexamine the party stance on social issues, you proclaim that the problem is that Mitt wasn't conservative enough. Good luck with that.
So if the gop supports abortion, gays, etc explain how will they differ from the dems?
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Old 11-09-2012, 06:19   #14
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So if the gop supports abortion, gays, etc explain how will they differ from the dems?
Bingo! You're right: they differ not a bit in political or economic philosophy, not to mention their approaches to individual liberty. So the GOP remains the party of controversial social issues and big government and will continue to lose elections.
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Disagree. We (not you guys) lost because there are now more parasites than hosts in this country. I only hope it accelerates from here so that I am still able to contribute to the end result and see a rebuild begin.
It really is this simple.

The leeches have taken over.
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Old 11-07-2012, 23:13   #16
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Disagree. We (not you guys) lost because there are now more parasites than hosts in this country. I only hope it accelerates from here so that I am still able to contribute to the end result and see a rebuild begin.
Yes sir!!! ^^^


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Disagree. We (not you guys) lost because there are now more parasites than hosts in this country. I only hope it accelerates from here so that I am still able to contribute to the end result and see a rebuild begin.
This^^^^^


Plus a media that would not tell the truth on Barry and threw any mud they could at Romney.
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Disagree. We (not you guys) lost because there are now more parasites than hosts in this country. I only hope it accelerates from here so that I am still able to contribute to the end result and see a rebuild begin.
This is fundamentally false. Keep telling yourself this, it will just cost the GOP another election.
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This is fundamentally false. Keep telling yourself this, it will just cost the GOP another election.
I can't find his original quote to quote but i agree with yours. Obama turned out 10 million or so LESS people. He was so beatable. Only the pathetic GoP and could have managed to lose to this guy. The answer is so obvious if the knuckleheads will just accept it. "Leave people alone, keep the government out of peoples' lives, and reduce the size of it altogether".

If the GoP was actually interested in doing any of those things, they could have sent obama to oblivion in a landslide. Even a pathetic candidate like lying flip flopping un-charismatic snake of a man romney almost managed to win. Of course the GoP honchos and the big money behind them would rather nominate romney and lose than really risk their own power by nominating someone who might actually reduce it. That's the real problem. The mind melting media backed by those same people, fox news and all the rest.
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Take a look at this forum and see how anyone is treated when they express a left leaning opinion on anything.
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