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Old 11-11-2012, 20:51   #1
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A question for the Republicans on board.

I maintain that until the Republicans ditch the Christian Conservative nonsense, we'll never win another election.

When I'm talking to my fellow Republicans, none of them ever mentions abortion, birth control, gay marriage, or marijuana.

The times have changed, if we don't, we'll end up like the dinosaurs. They were unwilling to change too.

What say you?
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Old 11-11-2012, 20:54   #2
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I see it a different way. They contine to run moderate liberals and lose. The moderate liberals they lost with include Bush 41, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney. GWB only won because of Klinton fatigue, a lousy opponent, good lawyers, and fear of terrorists.

The republicans won't win until they run a conservative who can bring out the base.
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I see it a different way. They contine to run moderate liberals and lose. The moderate liberals they lost with include Bush 41, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney. GWB only won because of Klinton fatigue, a lousy opponent, good lawyers, and fear of terrorists.

The republicans won't win until they run a conservative who can bring out the base.
Romney lost because he, and a few other Republicans, which tarnished his name, pissed off women, and the minorities didn't like his stance on immigration.

I agree with you ysr, if Republicans don't drop all the women/gay/minority hating, they'll never win an election. It's really not that hard to fathom why you lost when you piss off the exact people you need to help you win.
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It's really not that hard to fathom why you lost when you piss off the exact people you need to help you win.
Yep, what he said.
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Romney lost because he, and a few other Republicans, which tarnished his name, pissed off women, and the minorities didn't like his stance on immigration.

I agree with you ysr, if Republicans don't drop all the women/gay/minority hating, they'll never win an election. It's really not that hard to fathom why you lost when you piss off the exact people you need to help you win.
Romney lost because he is a moderate liberal. He got fewer votes than John McCain, another moderate liberal.

Minorities are not going to vote for a liberal white man over a liberal black man or a liberal democrat, no matter who that liberal white man is. Why vote for a copy, when you can vote for the real thing?

Romney lost because conservative white males didn't have a reason to come out and vote. The republican party has been taking conservative votes for granted, and they don't understand that conservatives won't vote for the lesser evil.

Every time the republicans lose, they think the answer is to move farther left. And then they lose again.
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Every time the republicans lose, they think the answer is to move farther left. And then they lose again.
These terms are confusing. If left and right refer to collectivism and free market capitalism respectively then why do we need to lump social issues in one side or the other. The GOP could move further right economically and lighten up on the social/religious issues. No one is saying they need to become democrats. I'm libertarian and want the GOP to mover further away from the democrats.
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The GOP could move further right economically and lighten up on the social/religious issues.
Apparently not.

I don't mean to disagree, but there seems to be issues the "religious right" will not compromise or sell out. I was surprised when I learned they didn't come out to vote. It was encouraging and frustrating at the same time.
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I agree with you ysr, if Republicans don't drop all the women/gay/minority hating, they'll never win an election. It's really not that hard to fathom why you lost when you piss off the exact people you need to help you win.
Mr. Democrat, thank you for spreading the patent lie that Republicans "hate" women/gay/minorities.

Marriage is marriage, if two homosexuals want to live together that is their business - but don't politicize your bedroom habits and try to force society to call it something it is not.

Making this true statement is not expressing hatred toward anyone!

I can't even dream up what gets twisted around as hatred for women and minorities? Protecting the lives of unborn children? Wanting to limit rampant ILEGAL immigration? No hatred in either of those wound positions either.

If you don't agree with those three positions, go join the democrats.
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:39   #13
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Mr. Democrat, thank you for spreading the patent lie that Republicans "hate" women/gay/minorities.

Marriage is marriage, if two homosexuals want to live together that is their business - but don't politicize your bedroom habits and try to force society to call it something it is not.

Making this true statement is not expressing hatred toward anyone!

I can't even dream up what gets twisted around as hatred for women and minorities? Protecting the lives of unborn children? Wanting to limit rampant ILEGAL immigration? No hatred in either of those wound positions either.

If you don't agree with those three positions, go join the democrats.
Hmm, gays, it comes off as hating gays when you don't let them do what they want, you have to try and bar them from living their lives the way they want to, and force your beliefs upon them. If they want to call it marriage, what harm does it do you? Does it hurt you in any way to allow two people to be happy? The point that they're the same gender should be totally irrelevant. If two people are happy together and want to be married, let them.

And women. It comes off as hating women when you want to take away their choice to do what they want, and force your beliefs upon them. You view abortion as wrong. Fine. Don't try to force them to believe abortion is wrong if they don't think it is. Don't try to take away their choice because you think it's wrong. It's their body, not your's. What harm does it do you if they want to make decisions about their body? That's like all the women in the US trying to get together and tell you that you're never allowed to shave, ever. Would you like that? Would you like someone else trying to tell you what you can and can't do with your own body?

And minorities. Yes, the country has illegals in it, yes, they're illegal and need to go away. But verbally saying that makes the minorities vote democrat. Republicans try to make life difficult for illegals, try to get them thrown out of the country. Well minorities see that in an extremely negative manner. They might have friends or family who are here illegally, and it would break up families, or friendships. A lot of the illegals were brought over here as kids, and they don't know anything but the US. And then deporting them back to the country where they were born, when they don't know the language, they don't know anybody there, they have no money, no food, no place to live. The minorities who vote don't like that at all, which is why they won't vote for a guy who promises to do just that.

So no, I'm sorry if you don't like it, but I don't agree with you on gay marriage and a woman's right to control her own body. I don't think two people should be barred from being married just because they're the same gender. I don't think women should be forced to live by somebody else's rule. I don't think you should have any say over what they do with their own body. And as to the immigration thing, yes I think illegals need to be tossed out and thrown to the back of the line, but a compromise needs to be made, some system needs to be created where they can stay in the country with their family and friends, and begin paying taxes, while they go through the process. Doing anything else will piss off the minority and make the democrat win.

I used to live in a town called Aurora, which i would guess is probably 70% hispanic. But I lived on the east side, and the east side is closer to 90% hispanic. The west side was all white, which is funny because that's where the hard drugs were. And I remember talking to multiple people of hispanic heritage, who said they would never vote for a guy who promised to make life tough for illegals, and who would break up families and send people back to their country of birth. I even knew a few illegal kids who were in the school system, and they said the same thing. So cracking down hard on the illegals is the perfect to get the minority to vote the other way.

It's actually amusing watching all the republicans going "We lost?! How?!" Hmm, lets see, you pissed off the gays, by hating on gay marriage, you pissed off the women by hating their body and their right to choose what they do with their own body, and you pissed off the minorities by hating on illegals. But you need the women and the minority to win, and yet you piss them off, and still expect them to vote for you?

Oh wow, I can't believe I missed that. You want "to limit rampant ILEGAL immigration" Oh yeah? And how are you going to do that? Make laws making it illegal to be an illegal immigrant? Yeah, because they already follow the laws in place that makes them illegal. Besides, if that was the case, then gun control would work, and no criminals would have guns.

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I see it a different way. They contine to run moderate liberals and lose. The moderate liberals they lost with include Bush 41, Bob Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney. GWB only won because of Klinton fatigue, a lousy opponent, good lawyers, and fear of terrorists.

The republicans won't win until they run a conservative who can bring out the base.
Yeah, Romney came out against gay marriage, abortion, planned parenthood, contraception, etc. Howd that pan out for us?
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Yeah, Romney came out against gay marriage, abortion, planned parenthood, contraception, etc. Howd that pan out for us?
No he didn't. More importantly he snubbed the religious right at the convention and he was a Mormon. Ignoring the evangelical right will always get the Repubs a loss...

You can't narrow the group that makes up the Republican Party and expect to win.
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Ignoring the evangelical right will always get the Repubs a loss...

You can't narrow the group that makes up the Republican Party and expect to win.
Unfortunately you might be right. 58% of republicans still believe in biblical creationism and 31% believe God guided evolution. What the GOP really needs is education.
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Unfortunately you might be right. 58% of republicans still believe in biblical creationism and 31% believe God guided evolution. What the GOP really needs is education.
Yeah, an education on how to deal with threats. The muslim world should have been a sheet of glass by 9-12-2001. Even a Dem knew when to pull the trigger... (Harry)
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Unfortunately you might be right. 58% of republicans still believe in biblical creationism and 31% believe God guided evolution. What the GOP really needs is education.
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Unfortunately you might be right. 58% of republicans still believe in biblical creationism and 31% believe God guided evolution. What the GOP really needs is education.
You can continue to be "smart" and lose more freedoms everyday or realize those of faith don't pose a threat to you and cultivate their support...
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Unfortunately you might be right. 58% of republicans still believe in biblical creationism and 31% believe God guided evolution. What the GOP really needs is education.
Please don't confuse this discussion with facts.
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