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Old 11-15-2012, 02:22   #1
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Teachers Face Investigations for Anti-Obama Messages

Teachers Face Investigations for Anti-Obama Messages

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Two public school teachers are facing investigations for posting messages that some perceived as critical of President Obama on social networking sites.
Attack military leaders and muzzle teachers. Since when does a muzzle support freedom of speach?


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Old 11-15-2012, 05:28   #2
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If the statements were made in the course of some school-funded program, I could understand the concern. But from what I glean from that article, the statements were made on their personal accounts outside of school activities.

If they are now suffering repercussions for voicing opinions as private citizens, they should consider suing the school systems for infringement of their civil rights.

Now, the second teacher mentioned seemed to go a little overboard in the zeal of his expression -- but I still defend his right to say it.


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Old 11-15-2012, 05:44   #3
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Given the overwhelming support for right to work here at gt... why is this a problem? Why shouldn't these teachers be held responsible for what they say or don't say as private citizens? If rtw is so wonderful, why should the employer not be able to use that leverage to silence expression of opinion by a employee? After all, the 1st Amendment does not protect the private speech of employees... does it?
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Old 11-15-2012, 05:46   #4
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Given the overwhelming support for right to work here at gt... why is this a problem? Why shouldn't these teachers be held responsible for what they say or don't say as private citizens? If rtw is so wonderful, why should the employer not be able to use that leverage to silence expression of opinion by a employee? After all, the 1st Amendment does not protect the private speech of employees... does it?
Because they are NOT muzzling those who teach them OMao love chants
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Because they are NOT muzzling those who teach them OMao love chants

Brucev is not one to quietly accept the idea of 'fair & balanced' so I doubt he/she will get any hint whatsoever about the injustice of choking off one group while encouraging another.

Nope.

"Yes we can, can, can..." blather, blather Propaganda.. remember?
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Old 11-15-2012, 08:24   #6
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Brucev is not one to quietly accept the idea of 'fair & balanced' so I doubt he/she will get any hint whatsoever about the injustice of choking off one group while encouraging another.

Nope.

"Yes we can, can, can..." blather, blather Propaganda.. remember?
From what one can gather here at gt, there is no problem with censoring the speech of people who are teachers, etc. There does not appear to be such support for the general employer censoring of speech by employees when not on the clock.
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Because they are NOT muzzling those who teach them OMao love chants
So is the answer "equal time," or is the answer for no teacher/administrator to be allowed to use the classroom as a venue for the expression of their own political beliefs?
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After all, the 1st Amendment does not protect the private speech of employees... does it?
Okay...we'll put you down as "unclear on the concept".
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Congrats to those dependent on government, homosexuals, potheads, JAY-Z fans, non-Christians, non-taxpayers, illegals, communists, Muslims, planned murder clinics, enemies of America, Satan You WON, the unidentified teacher wrote.
My regard for teachers is much higher now. Just when I thought our education system was getting worse.
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My regard for teachers is much higher now. Just when I thought our education system was getting worse.

There have always been amazingly gifted, dedicated, and successful teachers... it's just that they are so rare, and obviously not well liked by the establishment.

This muzzling is going to be a problem... right up until the wannabe dictator appoints two or more NEW/LEFT supremes... then all will be solved.
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There have always been amazingly gifted, dedicated, and successful teachers... it's just that they are so rare, and obviously not well liked by the establishment.
I couldn't agree more. My wife was teacher that was highly respected - parents went to the school at the beginning of the year to try a make sure their kids got in her class.

Then politics got in the way and inferior teachers were getting promoted. Finally, the union came in and she wanted no part of that. She loved the kids but just couldn't take the crap from the administration and unions.
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Okay...we'll put you down as "unclear on the concept".




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Okay...we'll put you down as "unclear on the concept".
No. Not unclear. No support for any teacher/administrator being able to use the classroom as a venue for the expression of their own political beliefs.
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No. Not unclear. No support for any teacher/administrator being able to use the classroom as a venue for the expression of their own political beliefs.

As far as I can tell, it wasn't in the classroom -- it was on personal Facebook accounts.


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Given the overwhelming support for right to work here at gt... why is this a problem? Why shouldn't these teachers be held responsible for what they say or don't say as private citizens? If rtw is so wonderful, why should the employer not be able to use that leverage to silence expression of opinion by a employee? After all, the 1st Amendment does not protect the private speech of employees... does it?
Free speech isn't protected against the vagaries of whatever rules a private employer may wish to adopt/enforce. The private employer is the final arbiter of what can/cannot be said by their employee; at least when it pertains to the workplace.

Unfortunately for you, these are public indoctrination camp employees, and thus are not private employees. The 1st Amendment to COTUS specifically restricts federal law from stopping/thwarting/denying free speech (See: Prior Restraint) and both South Carolina's and Ohio's constitutions are quite plain in their preservation of the right to free speech vis--vis governmental suppression/oppression. And Ohio in particular even has a clause in its constitution that specifically prohibits any one of its citizens from being compelled to religiously worship a deity.

I'd say that the Secular Humanist Marxist Messiah can be said to fit that criteria. Wouldn't you?

Having said that, I have no sympathy for anyone stupid enough to work for said public indoctrination camps. Immutable universal law has demonstrated time-and-again that stupid hurts. Too bad, so sad.
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my kids brought home stories of the liberal teachers(almost all teachers) trashing Bush every chance they got.
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[QUOTE=Fred Hansen;19633592]Free speech isn't protected against the vagaries of whatever rules a private employer may wish to adopt/enforce. The private employer is the final arbiter of what can/cannot be said by their employee; at least when it pertains to the workplace. And... is there any protection to anyone from a employer who wants to restrain their freedom of speech when not on company time? Should there be any free speech protection afforded to anyone... public or private, when speaking as a private citizen and not "on the clock?"

Unfortunately for you, these are public indoctrination camp employees, and thus are not private employees. The 1st Amendment to COTUS specifically restricts federal law from stopping/thwarting/denying free speech (See: Prior Restraint) and both South Carolina's and Ohio's constitutions are quite plain in their preservation of the right to free speech vis--vis governmental suppression/oppression. And Ohio in particular even has a clause in its constitution that specifically prohibits any one of its citizens from being compelled to religiously worship a deity. So... you are fine with a public employee being muzzled by his/her employer. How do you feel about a private employer muzzling employees? Is this a net good when applied to public employees only or does it extend to all employees?

I'd say that the Secular Humanist Marxist Messiah can be said to fit that criteria. Wouldn't you?

Having said that, I have no sympathy for anyone stupid enough to work for said public indoctrination camps. Immutable universal law has demonstrated time-and-again that stupid hurts. Too bad, so sad. So... you are self-educated? And... you have a degree in... universal law?
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Free speech isn't protected against the vagaries of whatever rules a private employer may wish to adopt/enforce. The private employer is the final arbiter of what can/cannot be said by their employee; at least when it pertains to the workplace. And... is there any protection to anyone from a employer who wants to restrain their freedom of speech when not on company time? Should there be any free speech protection afforded to anyone... public or private, when speaking as a private citizen and not "on the clock?"

Unfortunately for you, these are public indoctrination camp employees, and thus are not private employees. The 1st Amendment to COTUS specifically restricts federal law from stopping/thwarting/denying free speech (See: Prior Restraint) and both South Carolina's and Ohio's constitutions are quite plain in their preservation of the right to free speech vis--vis governmental suppression/oppression. And Ohio in particular even has a clause in its constitution that specifically prohibits any one of its citizens from being compelled to religiously worship a deity. So... you are fine with a public employee being muzzled by his/her employer. How do you feel about a private employer muzzling employees? Is this a net good when applied to public employees only or does it extend to all employees?

I'd say that the Secular Humanist Marxist Messiah can be said to fit that criteria. Wouldn't you?

Having said that, I have no sympathy for anyone stupid enough to work for said public indoctrination camps. Immutable universal law has demonstrated time-and-again that stupid hurts. Too bad, so sad. So... you are self-educated? And... you have a degree in... universal law?


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Given the overwhelming support for right to work here at gt... why is this a problem? Why shouldn't these teachers be held responsible for what they say or don't say as private citizens? If rtw is so wonderful, why should the employer not be able to use that leverage to silence expression of opinion by a employee? After all, the 1st Amendment does not protect the private speech of employees... does it?
These teachers are public employees paid with taxpayer money, komrade. The speech occurred outside of their workplace.
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These teachers are public employees paid with taxpayer money, komrade. The speech occurred outside of their workplace.
It's not a big stretch to see next year's teachers all queuing up to place their hands on 'Dreams of My Father' as they swear undying allegiance to The Omnipotent, The Magnificent, The All-Knowing, All Merciful OBAMA.

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These teachers are public employees paid with taxpayer money, komrade. The speech occurred outside of their workplace.
So... they speak in a non-employment setting and are to be subjected to sanction by their employer? So... are you comfortable with an employer being permitted to censor free speech?
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Given the overwhelming support for right to work here at gt... why is this a problem? Why shouldn't these teachers be held responsible for what they say or don't say as private citizens? If rtw is so wonderful, why should the employer not be able to use that leverage to silence expression of opinion by a employee? After all, the 1st Amendment does not protect the private speech of employees... does it?
Yes, the first amendment does protect the free speech rights of employees, when those rights are being restricted by the government.

Your inability to grasp obvious things is sometimes surprising.

Are you left-wing or right-wing today?

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No. Not unclear. No support for any teacher/administrator being able to use the classroom as a venue for the expression of their own political beliefs.
Which has nothing to do with this story.
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Sounds like the Sedition Act Part II....



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