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Old 12-02-2012, 13:01   #1
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Why some Atheists post here.

Speaking strictly for myself, it’s not really about religion. I consider all religions equally invalid. Not one of them passes the sniff test. They all look equally silly to anyone who’s not a believer.

The real issues I’m interested in are skepticism and critical thinking. The idea that someone can take the writings of bronze age semi-savages whose technology hadn’t gotten as far as the button and button-hole over evidence obtained through rigorous modern scientific investigation is simply astonishing to me.

Anyone who’s passed a 7th grade General Science class should be familiar with the way the scientific method works. They should understand the definitions of “hypothesis” and “theory” and “peer review”. They should understand that a scientific theory requires compelling evidence. It’s not just some random idea.

I once had a boss who was a very intelligent guy. He was a master programmer who started a business in his garage and built it into a multi-million dollar international industry leader. He wrote a book that he believed revealed the secrets of the workings of the Universe. He couldn’t find anyone who would publish it, so he paid the bill himself. The book was universally panned by physicists. Even I could find huge holes in his “theories”. One day in the break room, he said, “Do you know how you can tell if something’s true? It just feels right!”

That guy might have been a great programmer and businessman, but he didn’t know the first thing about science.

The idea that you can tell what’s true by whether it feels right to you is what I’m here to argue against.
It bothers me when people will go to any lengths to support religious doctrine that has been proven wrong or for which there is zero evidence.
It bothers me when people say that the Bible is literally true, and then ignore the parts they don’t like.
It bothers me when people willfully misunderstand scientific theories and disregard objective evidence in favor of obvious mythology.

I don’t think for a second that I can change the mind of anyone who’s too far gone, too emotionally invested in their religion, to be capable of examining it in any rational way. But there’s always the chance that others, who are interested in religion and paid attention in science classes, will read the posts in this forum and understand what’s going on here.
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Old 12-02-2012, 13:37   #2
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Old 12-02-2012, 13:47   #3
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You do realize you are just promoting your religion of Atheism and putting yourself as the all knowing OZ? I find you arrogant, pompous and self righteous.

I could care less what you believe or think.




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Old 12-02-2012, 14:11   #4
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You do realize you are just promoting your religion of Atheism
You have no idea what you're talking about. Atheism is not a religion. It is a lack of belief. Educate yourself.
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Old 12-02-2012, 14:32   #5
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This forum is titled Religious Issues.
Think about that?

Why would an atheist even give this forum a second thought?
There's nothing in a religious forum that would be of interest to an atheist.

The truth is this is a Christian bashing forum, dominated by atheists, and should be renamed.

I say rename this forum to the Atheist Issues forum, or maybe the Christian Bashing forum.

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Old 12-02-2012, 14:40   #6
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I say rename this forum to the Atheist Issues forum, or maybe the Christian Bashing forum.

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Those would probably be more accurate descriptions.

Christians can't even have a thread about Christian music without the resident atheists posting crap they know is insulting.

But it is OK for them to be insulting because they are enlightened.

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Old 12-02-2012, 17:04   #7
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Those would probably be more accurate descriptions.

Christians can't even have a thread about Christian music without the resident atheists posting crap they know is insulting.

But it is OK for them to be insulting because they are enlightened.

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Old 12-02-2012, 17:28   #8
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Those would probably be more accurate descriptions.

Christians can't even have a thread about Christian music without the resident atheists posting crap they know is insulting.

But it is OK for them to be insulting because they are enlightened.

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Actually, I believe I posted some of my favorite Christian music in that thread. I don't recall being insulting. (except maybe to Metallica fans.... )

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Old 12-02-2012, 18:15   #9
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Those would probably be more accurate descriptions.

Christians can't even have a thread about Christian music without the resident atheists posting crap they know is insulting.

But it is OK for them to be insulting because they are enlightened.

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I just love how you neglect to mention how atheists can't have a thread about why they don't like religion without the resident christians posting crap they know is asinine.
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Old 12-02-2012, 14:43   #10
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This forum is titled Religious Issues.
Think about that?

Why would an atheist even give this forum a second thought?
There's nothing in a religious forum that would be of interest to an atheist.

The truth is this is a Christian bashing forum, dominated by atheists, and should be renamed.

I say rename this forum to the Atheist Issues forum, or maybe the Christian Bashing forum.

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Lack of critical thinking skills lead to crazy stuff like birther theories. Really any number of conspiracy theories. That's toxic to a system where those people elect the leadership. If that spreads too far, yu end up with an idiocracy.

Critical thinking skills are crucial to a functional democracy.

That's why it matters.

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Old 12-02-2012, 14:48   #11
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Lack of critical thinking skills lead to crazy stuff like birther theories. Really any number of conspiracy theories. That's toxic to a system where those people elect the leadership. If that spreads too far, yu end up with an idiocracy.

Critical thinking skills are crucial to a functional democracy.

That's why it matters.

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Yep, you are going to save the republic by posting anti-Christian messages in the Glock Talk Religious Issues Forum. Christianity will be the death of us all.

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Old 12-02-2012, 14:49   #12
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This forum is titled Religious Issues.
Think about that?

Why would an atheist even give this forum a second thought?
There's nothing in a religious forum that would be of interest to an atheist.
Did you even read the OP?
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Old 12-02-2012, 14:51   #13
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Lack of critical thinking skills lead to crazy stuff like birther theories. Really any number of conspiracy theories. That's toxic to a system where those people elect the leadership. If that spreads too far, yu end up with an idiocracy.

Critical thinking skills are crucial to a functional democracy.

That's why it matters.

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Can you dumb that down for me?
I have no idea what you're trying to say?
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Old 12-02-2012, 15:03   #14
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This forum is titled Religious Issues.
Think about that?

Why would an atheist even give this forum a second thought?
There's nothing in a religious forum that would be of interest to an atheist.

The truth is this is a Christian bashing forum, dominated by atheists, and should be renamed.

I say rename this forum to the Atheist Issues forum, or maybe the Christian Bashing forum.

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Keep playing the poor little victim JB.

We have ISSUES with RELIGION that's why we're here. Get it?
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Old 12-02-2012, 15:13   #15
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Yeah, them thar stoopid ridnecks.
Exactly.

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Christians can't even have a thread about Christian music without the resident atheists posting crap they know is insulting.
So we have to like your horrible music otherwise we're being intolerant? We can't have an opinion? I see... Love it of be quiet or else you're intolerant.

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Yep, you are going to save the republic by posting anti-Christian messages in the Glock Talk Religious Issues Forum.
Every little bit helps free us.


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Christianity will be the death of us all.
If we don't get it out of our government and schools it will most certainly doom us to mediocrity and life without progress.
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Old 12-03-2012, 13:45   #16
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This forum is titled Religious Issues.

The truth is this is a Christian bashing forum, dominated by atheists, and should be renamed.

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Irreverent and at times insulting, but as one who has spent time in a very anti Christian country I wouldn't call it bashing. Nobody here is receiving death threats, having their property burned down, having themselves or their family raped, being spat on in public, or having their place of worship torched or sprayed by bullets.

This is nothing more than anonymous rhetoric.
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You do realize you are just promoting your religion of Atheism and putting yourself as the all knowing OZ? I find you arrogant, pompous and self righteous.

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Then why are you even looking at thread in a forum dedicated to what people believe, in terms of religion?
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:08   #18
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Well, I got about what I expected out of this thread. As usual, some posters jumped in without reading the OP.

JBnTX: Why would an atheist even give this forum a second thought?
There's nothing in a religious forum that would be of interest to an atheist.


Bren: Then why are you even looking at thread in a forum dedicated to what people believe, in terms of religion?

Then the Christian loonies (not all Christians are loonies, but it’s pretty easy to identify the ones who are) snapped into full attack mode.
Happypuppy: I find you arrogant, pompous and self righteous.
NOTE: This was Post #3. In Post # 36 Happyguy says, “The attacks in this thread were initiated by atheists”.
Short, selective memory there, sport!
And the insults continue ….

Happyguy pulled out all the stops: Christians can't even have a thread about Christian music without the resident atheists posting crap they know is insulting.

Yep, you are going to save the republic by posting anti-Christian messages in the Glock Talk Religious Issues Forum.

The issue is not a complex one. It's hatred and envy, plain, pure, and simple.

Elitist.

Many of the atheists on GT act like spoiled little brats.

You guys really are the lowest common denominator.

Do you seriously not understand how stupid your posts are?


And so on.

I won’t bother with the delusional ramblings of Molly.

All this only served to reinforce my thoughts in the OP. I don’t think for a second that I can change the mind of anyone who’s too far gone, too emotionally invested in their religion, to be capable of examining it in any rational way. Those people have revealed themselves unmistakably in this thread.
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Anyone who’s passed a 7th grade General Science class should be familiar with the way the scientific method works. They should understand the definitions of “hypothesis” and “theory” and “peer review”. They should understand that a scientific theory requires compelling evidence. It’s not just some random idea.
Religion is being pushed into the private sector now. By that I mean we are finally getting it out of our schools, and court houses, and these last rounds of elections give me hope that it's being pushed out of our politics and hopefully out of our legislation. And this is how it should be. Religion should be a personal matter and not a public one. It shouldn't be mandated, legislated or presented in public systems.

But the problem is that the religious take this as an attack. Even though no one is trying to stop them from believing and worshiping as they see fit... they feel entitled to push it on everyone else. And eliminating it from the public circle means others that disagree with them can live as they choose... religious people don't like this. They want to attempt to force everyone else to live by their ideals. For example "Abortion is wrong... not just for me... but for everyone else as well."

So what you have in a lot of areas... especially rural areas are teachers that are a little bitter so they do a half-arsed job of presenting scientific material because they feel that's the devil. And in many locations you have teachers that completely ignore the laws and conduct prayer in school anyway because "GAWD's Law Trumps Man's Law AMEN!" So you have a lot of kids that still aren't getting the education they deserve. The ideal is sort of "If we can't force them to be righteous... we'll rob them of critical thinking skills so they'll wind up believing anyway."
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So what you have in a lot of areas... especially rural areas are teachers that are a little bitter so they do a half-arsed job of presenting scientific material because they feel that's the devil. And in many locations you have teachers that completely ignore the laws and conduct prayer in school anyway because "GAWD's Law Trumps Man's Law AMEN!" So you have a lot of kids that still aren't getting the education they deserve. The ideal is sort of "If we can't force them to be righteous... we'll rob them of critical thinking skills so they'll wind up believing anyway."
Yeah, them thar stoopid ridnecks.

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I for one am grateful to the enlightened ones for attempting to bring the faithful into the 21st century.

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I for one am grateful to the enlightened ones for attempting to bring the faithful into the 21st century.

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The term "enlightened" is a strange word to use for atheists. We are, in a way, a creation of the Enlightenment which saw the necessity of separating Church and State, but that is as much a foundation of America as of any other proper secular state. (I exclude things like Communists states which are often described as secular when they are not.) In that sense, at a stretch, we could be called enlightened, but "Englightenment" is usually used to indicate those struck by religion, as with a blinding flash. That is an emotional reaction at a low level of the brain. Atheism is more concerned with the conscious level of the brain.

Just a thought.

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It's hatred and envy, plain, pure, and simple.
You’re giving yourself too much credit. We hate the ignorance, not the ignoramus. And you have nothing to envy.
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