Is prostitution really just capitalism?

Gunhaver · 12-03-2012, 22:17

Seems simple enough. People own their own bodies (but correct me if you believe the government actually owns us all) and people have a right to contract those bodies to do whatever kind of work they are comfortable doing.

I'm not talking about pimps and hos or forced sex trafficking or anything like that. There are obvious victims and other laws being broken. I'm talking about how the supposedly small-government right supports vice laws despite the fact that it clearly flies in the face of capitalism.

So it's OK to have sex with someone you meet, OK to take them out for dinner and a movie and whatever other offerings are needed to seal the deal but once you just take a cash for sex exchange it becomes criminal?

JBnTX · 12-03-2012, 22:19

Can't see the forest for the trees, can you?

Is robbing a bank for the money just capitalism too?
What about murdering someone for money?

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Gunhaver · 12-03-2012, 23:11

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

Can't see the forest for the trees, can you?

Is robbing a bank for the money just capitalism too?
What about murdering someone for money?

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You really have problems with analogies don't you?

So having sex with someone is the same as bank robbery and murder. It's all good as long as nobody walks away with some money?

aspartz · 12-03-2012, 23:38

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

Can't see the forest for the trees, can you?

Is robbing a bank for the money just capitalism too?
What about murdering someone for money?

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In each of you examples, there is a direct victim. In the first the bank, in the second the dead guy.

Who's the victim in prostitution? If both parties are consenting adults there is no victim.

ARS

Gunhaver · 12-04-2012, 00:12

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Originally Posted by aspartz

In each of you examples, there is a direct victim. In the first the bank, in the second the dead guy.

Who's the victim in prostitution? If both parties are consenting adults there is no victim.

ARS

JB has made it clear that he is the only one allowed to give consent. If he doesn't consent to it then it should be verboten.

Bren · 12-04-2012, 09:36

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

Can't see the forest for the trees, can you?

Is robbing a bank for the money just capitalism too?
What about murdering someone for money?

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How is doing harm to somebody else by force the same as one person selling a service to another who wants to buy it? You sure say some goofy things.

OP, yes, prostitution is just capitalism. Like many other things, the primary reason it is illegal is that wives have a great deal of political power (remember prohibition) and don't care for the competition. Criminalizing prostitution is no more than a way to regulate competition, by those selling the service under long-term contract, who don't want to compete with those selling on a cash & carry basis.

Gunhaver · 12-04-2012, 09:42

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Originally Posted by Bren

Like many other things, the primary reason it is illegal is that wives have a great deal of political power (remember prohibition) and don't care for the competition. Criminalizing prostitution is no more than a way to regulate competition, by those selling the service under long-term contract, who don't want to compete with those selling on a cash & carry basis.

Wow. I never really thought about it that way but I think you're on to something there.

Bren · 12-04-2012, 11:54

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Originally Posted by Gunhaver

Wow. I never really thought about it that way but I think you're on to something there.

Really? You never heard, "why buy a cow if you can get the milk free?" Women have known that rule for centuries and, until recently, their life depended on what kind of man they could get. 80-100 years ago, it wasn't like today, when a single woman could get a job/career, house, etc. and it wasn't the rule to marry for love back then. A woman used the bargaining power she had and competition that was practically giving away a major part of it was not appreciated.

Our current attitudes about family are still based, in part, on ideals from before 1900, when wives traded sex and housekeeping for food and shelter and children were necessary as homemade farm hands.

Gunhaver · 12-04-2012, 12:00

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Originally Posted by Bren

Really? You never heard, "why buy a cow if you can get the milk free?" Women have known that rule for centuries and, until recently, their life depended on what kind of man they could get. 80-100 years ago, it wasn't like today, when a single woman could get a job/career, house, etc. and it wasn't the rule to marry for love back then. A woman used the bargaining power she had and competition that was practically giving away a major part of it was not appreciated.

Our current attitudes about family are still based, in part, on ideals from before 1900, when wives traded sex and housekeeping for food and shelter and children were necessary as homemade farm hands.

Well sure, I've just never thought of the "wives as a political force against prostitution" angle. I understand just wanting to buy some damn milk instead of having to constantly deal with an entire cow. We all do that through our whole dating lives in one way or another but it's usually in the form of drinks, movies, dinners and gifts.

Andy123 · 12-04-2012, 17:59

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Originally Posted by Bren

Really? You never heard, "why buy a cow if you can get the milk free?" Women have known that rule for centuries and, until recently, their life depended on what kind of man they could get. 80-100 years ago, it wasn't like today, when a single woman could get a job/career, house, etc. and it wasn't the rule to marry for love back then. A woman used the bargaining power she had and competition that was practically giving away a major part of it was not appreciated.

Our current attitudes about family are still based, in part, on ideals from before 1900, when wives traded sex and housekeeping for food and shelter and children were necessary as homemade farm hands.

I take it that you are often accused of being a hopeless romantic

smokin762 · 12-04-2012, 16:00

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Originally Posted by Bren

OP, yes, prostitution is just capitalism. Like many other things, the primary reason it is illegal is that wives have a great deal of political power (remember prohibition) and don't care for the competition. Criminalizing prostitution is no more than a way to regulate competition, by those selling the service under long-term contract, who don't want to compete with those selling on a cash & carry basis.

I have been saying something close to this for years.

I think prostitution is a victimless crime. Providing the woman is willing and clean.

bobtheelf · 12-04-2012, 19:19

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

Can't see the forest for the trees, can you?

Is robbing a bank for the money just capitalism too?
What about murdering someone for money?

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Robbery is illegal.
Murder is illegal.
Are you saying sex is illegal?

SCmasterblaster · 12-05-2012, 19:13

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

Can't see the forest for the trees, can you?

Is robbing a bank for the money just capitalism too?
What about murdering someone for money?

..

Excellent points here.

TK-421 · 12-05-2012, 19:26

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster

Excellent points here.

Except for the fact that murder has a victim, and robbing a bank has a victim, sometimes even multiple victims.

Consensual sex between adults, where one gives the other money in return? No victims. Ask the girls in the brothels in Nevada if they feel victimized.

SCmasterblaster · 12-05-2012, 19:39

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Originally Posted by TK-421

Except for the fact that murder has a victim, and robbing a bank has a victim, sometimes even multiple victims.

Consensual sex between adults, where one gives the other money in return? No victims. Ask the girls in the brothels in Nevada if they feel victimized.

Except when the guy has AIDS. He victimizes the ho.

TK-421 · 12-05-2012, 19:45

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Originally Posted by SCmasterblaster

Except when the guy has AIDS. He victimizes the ho.

And that is exactly why we legalize prostitution and start regulating it. The girls get STD checks weekly, and the guys get STD checks every time they want to sleep with a girl. Only let the STD free guys sleep with the girls, and make sure the girls are always STD free.

steveksux · 12-08-2012, 00:13

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Originally Posted by TK-421

Except for the fact that murder has a victim, and robbing a bank has a victim, sometimes even multiple victims.

Consensual sex between adults, where one gives the other money in return? No victims.

There's no victim only as long as they don't get married. And THAT is legal!

Go figure...

Randy

jlavallee · 12-07-2012, 20:44

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

Can't see the forest for the trees, can you?

Is robbing a bank for the money just capitalism too?
What about murdering someone for money?

..

Voluntary exchange between adults is no one else's business. That free will part is what the bible thumping clowns miss.

cowboywannabe · 12-03-2012, 22:30

its legal as long as the state get their cut of the taxes..... regulated, reported income.....legal six counties in nevada have it.

akroguy · 12-03-2012, 22:49

When Walmart starts renting Ho's, it would then be safe to say it is now fully into the capitalistic domain.

cowboywannabe · 12-04-2012, 00:26

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Originally Posted by akroguy

When Walmart starts renting Ho's, it would then be safe to say it is now fully into the capitalistic domain.

renting them, no....but they are fracking their employees like one.

Gunhaver · 12-04-2012, 05:31

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Originally Posted by akroguy

When Walmart starts renting Ho's, it would then be safe to say it is now fully into the capitalistic domain.

They could keep them by the flowers in little climate controlled booths where the other employees can't despise them for making 10X as much money. Or maybe keep them by the ammo shelf to distract the panic buyers and possibly deplete their budgets.