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Old 01-23-2013, 18:17   #1
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This is evidence of God

The Sun, in all its glory. Incredible.

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It appears to be evidence of a sun.

It is still quite awesome.
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Old 01-23-2013, 19:03   #3
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Since God has no physical form, how could there ever be physical evidence of his existence?
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Is there any proof god has no form?
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Is there any proof god has no form?
If there is a god, is there any proof that he is omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient? How about even immortal?

Does proving one of those criteria is not present, proof that there is no god, or that man just was not good at describing him.
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Old 01-23-2013, 22:31   #6
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Does proving one of those criteria is not present, proof that there is no god, or that man just was not good at describing him????
Fixed it for you..............how do you know God is a him?


Along the same lines.

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If there is a god, is there any proof that he is omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient? How about even immortal?
If this being lacked any of those then could they really be considered a god or perhaps just a very advanced (but still finite) being? And if we were engineered by such a being would they really be worthy of our worship or perhaps just our admiration and gratitude? The latter possibility to both questions is far easier for me to wrap my mind around.

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Does proving one of those criteria is not present, proof that there is no god, or that man just was not good at describing him.
My (now infamous) inductive argument hinges upon this point. If it can be shown that one of the generally recognized characteristics of god is not possible (or at least highly unlikely) then doesn't that also prove that the existance of god is also not possible (or at least equally unlikely)?
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It appears to be evidence of a sun.

It is still quite awesome.

Pretty much this.
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It appears to be evidence of a sun.

It is still quite awesome.
It is quite awesome.

It is also evidence of the success of science in describing the true nature of the universe. This image is not only evidence of the mechanics of stellar fusion, but also evidence that our understanding in so many scientific disciplines is correct because that understanding made it possible for us to acquire it. The bible tells us nothing about how to acquire knowledge such as this and, in fact, often discourages the practice.

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It is quite awesome.

It is also evidence of the success of science in describing the true nature of the universe. This image is not only evidence of the mechanics of stellar fusion, but also evidence that our understanding in so many scientific disciplines is correct because that understanding made it possible for us to acquire it. The bible tells us nothing about how to acquire knowledge such as this and, in fact, often discourages the practice.
Science is a very good system. The things that have been tested and proven, are very useful in determining what is. Not so sure about the why though. Big Bang vs. Big Chill is a good example. The universe is expanding. We may not be really sure why.

ETA: the bible verse. I'm not familiar with the context that is from. I'd agree that many books can make you weary, but good things can happen from reading. Have you asked the author about it?

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It appears to be evidence of a sun.

It is still quite awesome.
In this case, I agree with you. Like many things people claim are "evidence of God" it is just evidence that something amazing exists, not evidence of why.
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Is there ANY proof of ANY god in ANY form?
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Yep, that's about what I thought it looked like.
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The Sun, in all its glory. Incredible.
Certainly. But there are even more impressive stars. Please note that the largest in each sequence is represented as the smallest in the next sequence.

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God also planned for obsolescence. In several billion years, the sun will enter a red giant stage, incinerating the Earth, and eventually dying to a cold remnant. Of course, mankind will be long gone by then--either having become extinct or moved on to greener pastures.
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God also planned for obsolescence. In several billion years, the sun will enter a red giant stage, incinerating the Earth, and eventually dying to a cold remnant. Of course, mankind will be long gone by then--either having become extinct or moved on to greener pastures.

The way technology is moving, we should be ready for that..........in just a billion years.


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God also planned for obsolescence. In several billion years, the sun will enter a red giant stage, incinerating the Earth, and eventually dying to a cold remnant. Of course, mankind will be long gone by then--either having become extinct or moved on to greener pastures.
Our deficit won't allow greener pastures.

I just read billions of years. Long time.

Trillions is sooooo much bigger.
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It's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.

It's making fun of religion, but not God. Kevin Smith is a Christian.

Have you seen any Kevin Smith movies?

Clerks
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Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
Clerks 2

There are a couple more, but either aren't any good, or I don't know about them.
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It's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen.

It's making fun of religion, but not God. Kevin Smith is a Christian.

Have you seen any Kevin Smith movies?

Clerks
Mallrats
Dogma
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back
Clerks 2

There are a couple more, but either aren't any good, or I don't know about them.
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, pretty sure I saw most of that one at one time or another.
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Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, pretty sure I saw most of that one at one time or another.
While I think that's the best one, it's also the one with the most inside jokes from the previous movies.
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One thing's for sure - when that sucker burns out, we're all gonna be in trouble.
Not unless it hurries up and does that in the next 50 years or so. Otherwise, It won't be a problem for me.

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Just about everything we can figure out is through inductive reasoning. That's cool. We all use our experiences and stuff other people told us, (much more often that most will admit) and the small amount that we have experienced ourselves to come to conclusions. Even though our lifespans are an infinitesimal amount of time when compared to the existence of the universe. Even though the most knowledgeable human in history, knew very little about what humanity knows. The amount we have traveled personally is an infinitesimal amount of distance relatively, even if you have looked through a telescope.

Like it or not, the best you, I or anyone else really has to work with, is not even close enough to claim as much knowledge as some claim. Many times, that knowledge is really belief, many times some people hold that belief for convenience or to avoid emotional distress, or even out of ignorance. It's understandably difficult to be unsure. Many people aren't able to tolerate that. It's a weakness in some, and just a lack of ability in others.
So, you aren't going to answer the question?
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So, you aren't going to answer the question?
We weren't talking of any particular mythos. I thought that was obvious. The point being, just because there are major flaws in a religion, even if it incorrectly describes a deity and has numerous contradictipns it doesn't prove that an intelligence of some sort did not create cellular life here or elsewhere. Even chaotic religions with numerous texts, contradictory commandments and too numerous to count denominations doesn't prove that religion's deity didn't exist. People get things wrong, give them a lot of time, and just about anything can be twisted beyond recognition. Their are plenty of short time span examples of this in politics.
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Even chaotic religions with numerous texts, contradictory commandments and too numerous to count denominations doesn't prove that religion's deity didn't exist.
Possible is a very weak word. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is possible because no one can 100% conclusively prove that one doesn't exist. But when you take a group of scriptures that are so flawed, so full of errors and contradictions, and has had mostly all of its claims about the origins of Man, the Earth, and the Universe proven not just inaccurate but grossly untrue... How PROBABLE do you think that deity really is?
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