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Old 01-30-2013, 20:21   #1
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Winchester 9mm JHP

Finally rec'd my order.

Anyone have experience with these?

I don't and haven't fired any yet.

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Old 01-31-2013, 09:37   #2
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Not those, specifically, but I've not had problems with other variants of Winchester's 9mm ammo. Seems pretty good stuff.

I like their NATO 125gr RN for target work.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:51   #3
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:56   #4
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Winchester makes excellent ammo. I'd trust it.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:24   #5
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The Winchester white box 115 gr JHPs use the same bullet as the 9mm 115 gr. Silvertip does (obviously it isn't plated) which used to be law enforcement ammo years ago.

I'd carry it without a worry.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:47   #6
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The Winchester white box 115 gr JHPs use the same bullet as the 9mm 115 gr. Silvertip does (obviously it isn't plated) which used to be law enforcement ammo years ago.

I'd carry it without a worry.

I believe it uses the same bullet as the Ranger RA9MMJHP & RA9115HP, the latter being a +p+ load.
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I believe it uses the same bullet as the Ranger RA9MMJHP & RA9115HP, the latter being a +p+ load.
I have Winchester 115gr JHP +p+ in my G17 on me right now.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:27   #8
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Good info......Thanks.
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Old 01-31-2013, 13:29   #9
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Generic old-style JHP they've made for many years.

I'd not be surprised to find that it might produce velocities toward the lower end of the typical velocity range for a standard pressure 115gr load (being their bargain priced load).

Think of it, if you will, as "Retro-Style" 9mm defensive ammo.

I think I still have some left over from training/practice from previous years, as well as some of the 147gr JHP from their Duty/USA line, both of which I keep set aside for range ammo (when the +P range ammo runs low, or I don't want to run a lot of +P or +P+ loads through a particular gun).

I'd rather use it than FMJ.

However, I'd also rather use any of the more modern hollowpoint loads, made by any of the major American ammo makers, given a choice.
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Old 01-31-2013, 15:56   #10
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I believe it uses the same bullet as the Ranger RA9MMJHP & RA9115HP, the latter being a +p+ load.
I also use the same bullet with target hand loads that I tuned specifically for various guns.

I carried as duty ammo the RA9115HP+ and the 9BPLE back in the hay day of light and fast loads. Right now I actually have the XM9001 loaded in my CW9. Velocity wise it is very near the two +P+ loads but does not have as much pressure.

I will change that out to the new version of the RA9B once it comes out.
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...I will change that out to the new version of the RA9B once it comes out.

Out of curiousity, why? I fiigured you'd be on board with the new 124 gr. +p T Series, which by the way is IMO the same damn thing as their 127 gr. +p+. They chrono the same.
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I have Winchester 115gr JHP +p+ in my G17 on me right now.
YOU DONT SAY:rolleyes:
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YOU DONT SAY:rolleyes:
I DO say so. My G17 is loaded with WW 115gr JHP +p+ loads.
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Old 02-01-2013, 23:12   #14
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. I carried silver tips at the advice of a popular gun writer/expert when I first got my Glock 27 and 23. they're the same design as wwb hp. After a lot of research I switched to gold dots and feel much more confident and safe knowing the rounds will perform as intended more reliably than old tech sd ammo. I still have several boxes of the silvertip ammo in case I run out of range ammo or use my gold dots up and cannot get anything else.

My advice is use them til you can find 124g gold dots, ranger or HST ammo then switch. These are more proven designs that are more likely to be effective against an attacker if you ever need to use your weapon. The new high tech hp rounds are the best you can buy and not that much more costly. Just an opinion. I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying those knowing better rounds are out there on the shelves (even in this panic buying market I've seen 9mm gold dot, ranger, golden saber ammo in 124/147g weights online and in stores at decent prices.

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. I carried silver tips at the advice of a popular gun writer/expert when I first got my Glock 27 and 23. they're the same design as wwb hp. After a lot of research I switched to gold dots and feel much more confident and safe knowing the rounds will perform as intended more reliably than old tech sd ammo. I still have several boxes of the silvertip ammo in case I run out of range ammo or use my gold dots up and cannot get anything else.

My advice is use them til you can find 124g gold dots, ranger or HST ammo then switch. These are more proven designs that are more likely to be effective against an attacker if you ever need to use your weapon. The new high tech hp rounds are the best you can buy and not that much more costly. Just an opinion. I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying those knowing better rounds are out there on the shelves (even in this panic buying market I've seen 9mm gold dot, ranger, golden saber ammo in 124/147g weights online and in stores at decent prices.

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Good points.....Thanks.
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It is tough to find good ammo

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. I carried silver tips at the advice of a popular gun writer/expert when I first got my Glock 27 and 23. they're the same design as wwb hp. After a lot of research I switched to gold dots and feel much more confident and safe knowing the rounds will perform as intended more reliably than old tech sd ammo. I still have several boxes of the silvertip ammo in case I run out of range ammo or use my gold dots up and cannot get anything else.

My advice is use them til you can find 124g gold dots, ranger or HST ammo then switch. These are more proven designs that are more likely to be effective against an attacker if you ever need to use your weapon. The new high tech hp rounds are the best you can buy and not that much more costly. Just an opinion. I wouldn't feel comfortable carrying those knowing better rounds are out there on the shelves (even in this panic buying market I've seen 9mm gold dot, ranger, golden saber ammo in 124/147g weights online and in stores at decent prices.

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Considering some random observations I made during a recent trip through the Pacific Northwest, ammunition availability seems weirdly spotty.

In one "general store" there was all sorts of handgun ammunition on the shelves, across a wide range of calibers, and the prices seemed pretty reasonable (compared to usual CA prices). Federal, Winchester, Remington & Speer for the major brands, and a couple of foreign brands, as well.

Just a few miles away, at the other end of the small town, the local WM store had mostly bare shelves. Even the rifle & shotgun ammo was mostly depleted (unlike the other store, which was plentiful).

Didn't stop in any dedicated "gun stores", so I didn't see the situation in any of those.
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Considering some random observations I made during a recent trip through the Pacific Northwest, ammunition availability seems weirdly spotty.

In one "general store" there was all sorts of handgun ammunition on the shelves, across a wide range of calibers, and the prices seemed pretty reasonable (compared to usual CA prices). Federal, Winchester, Remington & Speer for the major brands, and a couple of foreign brands, as well.

Just a few miles away, at the other end of the small town, the local WM store had mostly bare shelves. Even the rifle & shotgun ammo was mostly depleted (unlike the other store, which was plentiful).

Didn't stop in any dedicated "gun stores", so I didn't see the situation in any of those.
That ammo-rich store will soon be besieged by ammo-seekers.
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That ammo-rich store will soon be besieged by ammo-seekers.
Dunno. I've seen the shelves in that store hold more over the years. The handgun ammo was still plentiful, though, and the rifle & shotgun ammo was really plentiful and varied. Kinda surprised it hadn't been scoured by the "panicked internet gun forum buyers".

There were a handful of young and older men standing around in the isle, and there seemed to be the usual amount of business occurring everywhere else, but nobody was pulling boxes of ammo off the shelves.

Of course, the folks who patronize that sort of large general store are probably the sort of folks who aren't exactly caught totally unprepared by sudden shortages of important things.
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If it's good/bad depends on how you define those terms. The 115g JHP Silvertip and Ranger bullet perform the same at the same velocities. They do now what they did over 20 yrs ago.

Through FBI spec heavy cloth:

115 Silvertip 11.8/.58
115 +P+ Ranger 10.15/.65
115 +P+ Rem 10.9/.62
115 +P+ Fed 10.6/.62

To the FBI, the above makes the slower Silvertip better than the faster +P+ loads, to others, not so much.

An old guy here was shopping at WalMart when he heard a woman screaming. She was being stabbed by her ex. He shot the ex twice w 115 Silvertip from an SA XD subcompact pistol. The ex was stopped immedieately and died. It worked fine then, no matter how you define good/bad terminal ballistics.
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