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Old 02-14-2013, 14:52   #1
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Does anyone have an AR in .308

Im new to the world of AR's although I've done a lot of reading up on on the subject as I get close to purchasing one or potentially building one. But as I read through this forum I am yet to find anyone talking about an AR in .308. Are they that uncommon?

I use a .308 for hunting and have the rounds and the ability to reload them so thats kind of why I was considering it.

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Old 02-14-2013, 16:23   #2
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Im new to the world of AR's although I've done a lot of reading up on on the subject as I get close to purchasing one or potentially building one. But as I read through this forum I am yet to find anyone talking about an AR in .308. Are they that uncommon?

I use a .308 for hunting and have the rounds and the ability to reload them so thats kind of why I was considering it.

Thanks.
I have one built on a Tactical Machining lower with a DPMS 24" fluted bbl. and a magpul PRS stock. I built it to be a semi-auto sniper configuration. It is heavy. I can shoot a four round group (100 yard) that a dime will cover the center of all four rounds.

You are right to call it an ar in .308.

Armalite builds the AR-10 and has the name trademarked.
I have discovered inadvertently that the AR-10 trademark is vigorously defended by some of the GT Black Rifle forum members, none of whom are going to believe that my TM/DPMS ar.308 can shoot 1/2 MOA on a good day.

They have always been less common because they are about twice the price.
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Old 02-14-2013, 16:28   #3
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I haven't even fired it yet, but I have an LMT Slick model that I picked up just before things went crazy. The build quality looks amazing, and if it's as accurate as they say, it will be almost like a match grade bold action rifle. I read one review where they got a .77" group at 200 meters using military ammunition.
It is a heavy rifle, but that doesn't seem to keep a lot of military people from carrying it.
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I have one built on a Tactical Machining lower with a DPMS 24" fluted bbl. and a magpul PRS stock. I built it to be a semi-auto sniper configuration. It is heavy. I can shoot a four round group (100 yard) that a dime will cover the center of all four rounds.
I have essentially the same rifle, but it's a factory DPMS LR308... with the same upper. I too added a Magpul stock. I have mine topped with a Tasco (aka SWFA SuperSniper) 10x42 Mildot scope. Awesome combo, but as SpectreRider states it's a HEAVY piece of gear. Great glass for $300 BTW. Likewise I can put rounds into a dime size group all day at 100 yards if I do my part. SWEET!

BTW - shooting Federal Premium 168 grain Gold Medal Match out of mine.
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Old 02-15-2013, 21:08   #5
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I have essentially the same rifle, but it's a factory DPMS LR308... with the same upper. I too added a Magpul stock. I have mine topped with a Tasco (aka SWFA SuperSniper) 10x42 Mildot scope. Awesome combo, but as SpectreRider states it's a HEAVY piece of gear. Great glass for $300 BTW. Likewise I can put rounds into a dime size group all day at 100 yards if I do my part. SWEET!

BTW - shooting Federal Premium 168 grain Gold Medal Match out of mine.
Same here, Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr sierra match bthp. As close to good handload as factory gets.

As far as how much a AR.308 costs, I sourced each part about as cheaply as I could. Still not a cheap rifle though.


AR.308
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TM10 Stripped Lower Reciever SN TM00010XX 229.00
FL sales tax 13.75
DPMS Complete 24" Bull upper Carbon Handguard 725.00
FL sales tax 43.50
Magpul PRS Gen 2 Stock 255.00
ERGO Sure Grip w-Palm Shelf 53.56
.308 Mil-spec Buffer Tube Assembly 43.97
DPMS Lower Reciever Parts Kit 58.99
DPMS 19 Round .308 Magazine (x3)- 69.00
DPMS 4 Round .308 Magazine 23.00
Pride and Fowler RR-800-1 3-9x42 Scope w/sunshade 538.95
Leupold 30mm scope rings 148.00
Geissele LR-308 small pin Super Dynamic Two Stage Enhanced Trigger 220.00
Butler Creek flip up scope covers 22.00
Harris bi-pod (already had it) 73.00
Pelican rifle case 170.00
Shipping charges approx 25.00

TOTAL 2711.72

That Geissele trigger is worth every penny and then some.

Anyone needing glass might want to go look at the specs on that Pride and Fowler scope. It is great glass and the reticle is a unique design that is being copied (poorly) by some of the big scope makers.
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:24   #6
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...That Geissele trigger is worth every penny and then some.

Anyone needing glass might want to go look at the specs on that Pride and Fowler scope. It is great glass and the reticle is a unique design that is being copied (poorly) by some of the big scope makers.
How difficult was it to install / adjust your Geissele trigger? I realize you built your rifle from a stripped lower, so "installation" was part of the process anyway, but I see you adjust the first stage weight by bending the spring, then the second stage letoff with a screw. Just wondering how much mucking around it took to get right. The trigger on my DPMS is one thing I'm thinking of changing, and Timney only makes a single stage for .308 rifles... really like a two-stage pull.

That Pride & Fowler looks like an interesting scope. The Rapid Reticle intrigues me... very similar to the one in my ACOG that sits atop my intermediate range 5.56 AR. Be easy to transition back and forth with similar reticles on the two rifles.
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How difficult was it to install / adjust your Geissele trigger? I realize you built your rifle from a stripped lower, so "installation" was part of the process anyway, but I see you adjust the first stage weight by bending the spring, then the second stage letoff with a screw. Just wondering how much mucking around it took to get right. The trigger on my DPMS is one thing I'm thinking of changing, and Timney only makes a single stage for .308 rifles... really like a two-stage pull.

That Pride & Fowler looks like an interesting scope. The Rapid Reticle intrigues me... very similar to the one in my ACOG that sits atop my intermediate range 5.56 AR. Be easy to transition back and forth with similar reticles on the two rifles.
Actually, the Geissele trigger was put in after the full LPK was installed, In other words, I replaced the original trigger after installation.

Just one of the online assembly guides on ar15.com
http://www.ar15.com/content/guides/assembly/lower/

As I recall, You don't have to remove the stock, buffer or buffer tube.

Twenty minute job. You will have to remove the pistol grip (usually a large flathead screwdriver, sometimes a allen wrench) small spring, detent and selector switch to allow access to the hammer and trigger. Takes longer to round up the screw driver, punches, light hammer and a block to rest the lower on while driving out the pins (they almost push out by hand, only needs the lightest taps)than it takes to remove the old trigger and hammer assemblies and install the new.

I did not have to adjust a thing on my trigger. It was already done at the factory by Geissele. First stage is 2.3 pounds, second stage is an additional 1.2 pounds for a total trigger pull of 3.5 pounds. You can feel the first two point three pound take-up and then a resistance as the second stage is met. Hold the trigger against the resistance and then then the shot is perfect just think about pulling the trigger and you are already being pushed by the recoil. Check out the links below, you may find specifications more to your liking than the SD-E trigger. The SSA-E is the same specs with a curved rather than flat trigger.

http://geissele.com/applicationguide.aspx

http://geissele.com/pdfs/TriggerSummarySheet.pdf

For the SD-E, Midway is the cheapest I can find but they are out of stock w/ no backorder. Brownells is a bit more, also out of stock but will accept backorders. The company that can not be named on Glock Talk ( BxOxTxAxCxH TxAxCxTxIxCxAxL) seems to be in stock at the same price as Brownells.

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The only complaint I have with the Rapid Reticle is that because the reticle is on the first focal plane it changes size with zooming the magnification. That allows the drop compensation and drift compensation to be acurate at all magnifications, BUT, when it shrinks, (low magnification) it is so small that it is difficult for my less than perfect eyes to see.
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Old 02-14-2013, 16:29   #8
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No they are a fairly common rifle just not as popular as there 5.56 counter parts.

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Old 02-14-2013, 18:02   #9
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I have had an Armalite AR10A2 Carbine for the better part of a decade.
It's been utterly reliable and is accurate to boot.
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Old 02-14-2013, 19:03   #10
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I have a POF P308 piston rifle. One thing about the ARs in .308 is that they are no where near as standardized as the AR-15 platform.
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Old 02-14-2013, 20:35   #11
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I have a CMMG with a 18 inch nitrided barrel that is very accurate. .3-.4 MOA with FGGM and Barnes Vor-Tx and a Bushmaster with a 6 inch chrome lined barrel. We have had at least 2 carbine coure students shoot part of the course with LR-308's and one Rifle Instructor Candidate shoot a JP Enterprises .308. That JP is a sweet rifle! The biggest ossue with them is weight. The Bushy ORC is the lightest at 7.75 pounds dry. With an Aimpoint Micro, a sling, and a 20 round mag it's about 9.25 pounds, which is heavy but manageable.
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I have a DPMS LR308, I have only had one opportunity to shoot it and have not reloaded for it, but it was reliable and relatively accurate when I mounted the scope and shot some crap surplus out of it.
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I have a DPMS LR308, I have only had one opportunity to shoot it and have not reloaded for it, but it was reliable and relatively accurate when I mounted the scope and shot some crap surplus out of it.
I have one of these also with the heavy 24" barrel and Magpul furniture. It's a great shooter. Sub MOA with my handloads and darn close with factory ammo. It likes the lighter stuff. 150 and 168 gr preferred. It loves Lapua 167gr scenar bullets.

I'm glad I bought 4, 20 rd magpul magazines when I got the rifle. Haven't seen 10 or 20's for this rifle since the troubles started.
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KNS pins on semi-auto rifles tickle me.
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KNS pins on semi-auto rifles tickle me.
I have a CMC trigger on my 308 it requires captured pins, the c clip ones thet sent were....fugly..

my 308 is a CMMG matched billet upper and lower,
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JP severe duty bolt
LW50 16 inch 1x10 polygonal barrel
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LMT sopmod stock
DPMS 308 buffer Carbine
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It shoots Very tight 10 shot groups inch or under with 168 match
1.5 inch 10 shoot groups with crappy ball.
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:37   #19
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.308 ARs are awesome. They are much more expensive as is ammo. They are also right in that they aren't really standardized at all. You should look at LMT MWS/LM8 MWS and Colt 901. Personally, I have a SCAR 17.
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I have a RRA 16" barrel. It shoots pretty good. Only iron sights right now. Need to get some glass on it.
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