Severe problem with my Scorpion

Spartacus100 · 02-15-2013, 07:53

I purchased my Scorpion 1911 on New Years day and it has been good so far but not great. I have been carrying it as my EDC and i noticed this when i got home last night. This is really bad and in a self defense situation could have cost me everything. Nothing like not being able to take the gun of safe.

On top of this issue, it has a small bur on the plunger lever that makes getting the slide back on difficult. It also is very hard to rack the slide on a chambered cartridge. Almost like its stuck yet the gun is very clean. And the mags that came with it will occasionally fail to lock the slide back when empty or once they locked the slide back on a half full mag. I know Sig will make it right but problems like this shouldnt happen on a $1000 gun.

up1911fan · 02-15-2013, 08:00

Your having all these problems with a gun you were carrying? How many rounds through it before you decided to carry it?

Spartacus100 · 02-15-2013, 08:18

It ran well for the first 500 rounds and the problems only recently started. The safety plunger is the real concern that i have and it just started. The mags i can deal with as i have a wilson combat mag i could carry and i can replace the Sig mags. And the burr on the plunger lever was an annoyance but didnt hinder the function of the pistol. I was going to have my local gunsmith file it down which would have resolved the problem but i hadnt gotten around to it yet. Again, minor problems that i could have addressed myself until i saw the problem with the safety.

Spartacus100 · 02-15-2013, 08:19

i ran 500 through it before i started carrying it.

fnfalman · 02-15-2013, 09:21

Carry it Israeli-style. Problem solved.

Spartacus100 · 02-15-2013, 09:31

that might work but for a gun i have had for 6 weeks that cost what it did, i expect it to work as designed. I know they are tools and no gun is 100% perfect BUT I'm just disappointed that for the cost, i am having these problems. Guess i am back to carrying my Glock 19.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 02-15-2013, 09:58

It is a man made product, some have flaws. Look at Glock.
Hope your Glock does not chuck brass in your face when you need to count on it.
Contact Sig,.....they will make it right.

BamaTrooper · 02-18-2013, 20:12

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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

It is a man made product, some have flaws. Look at Glock.
Hope your Glock does not chuck brass in your face when you need to count on it.
Contact Sig,.....they will make it right.

Better the gun fire and you run the risk of a little irritation as you defend yourself than spend the last few seconds of your like wondering why your safety isn't working.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 02-18-2013, 20:30

Yea,.......ok.

Spartacus100 · 02-15-2013, 10:02

The Glock doesnt and I did contact Sig and will be sending it out on Monday. Just wish it wasnt a 3 week turn around.

MD357 · 02-15-2013, 10:08

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And the mags that came with it will occasionally fail to lock the slide back when empty or once they locked the slide back on a half full mag

That's most likely a shooter problem, not a gun problem. Where are your thumbs? Lots of guys don't realize that they engage a slide stop while shooting. Especially guys that shoot glocks thumbs forward. The slide lock half way through a mag is an indicator because the follower is halfway down the mag and can't engage.

Non of the problems you mentioned would I consider "severe" by any means.

captdreifus · 02-15-2013, 11:56

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Originally Posted by MD357

That's most likely a shooter problem, not a gun problem. Where are your thumbs? Lots of guys don't realize that they engage a slide stop while shooting. Especially guys that shoot glocks thumbs forward. The slide lock half way through a mag is an indicator because the follower is halfway down the mag and can't engage.

Non of the problems you mentioned would I consider "severe" by any means.

Take a closer look at the picture..

MD357 · 02-15-2013, 12:04

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Originally Posted by captdreifus

Take a closer look at the picture..

I understand what I see, it's not a catastrophic fix by any means. Guess I'm just used to more dramatic failures.

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As far as my thumb hitting the slide stop, its always a possibility but i dont think it was the case.

Of course not, most guys usually won't admit they are possibly the cause.

What do you think engaged the slide stop on a half full mag then? Granted it "could be" a poorly fitted SS or bullet noses but the shooter is the most likely variable I've seen.

Spartacus100 · 02-15-2013, 10:33

The thumb safety plunger overlapping the thumb safety thereby preventing the safety from being disengaged isnt a serious problem? Maybe not to you but as my EDC, i think its quite serious. As far as my thumb hitting the slide stop, its always a possibility but i dont think it was the case. And yes, most are minor problems but still shouldnt happen on a $1000 1911. At least not the safety issue and the out of spec plunger lever. Thats on the manufacturer.

Spartacus100 · 02-15-2013, 12:16

I have no idea. It probably was me, but just maybe it was a problem with the gun. Its not like that is the only problem i have had with it and the other problems i have had are part failure/quality control issues with Sig so who knows. I realize problems do happen to all manufacturers and i accept that and feel Sig will make it right.

Your right in that its not a "catastrophic" problem in that I caught it before it was an issue. But I'll bet your opinion would change had it happened to you and at a time when you needed to use the firearm to protect yourself or someone else. That is really my biggest concern and a concern i shouldnt have with a pistol from a quality manufacturer like Sig. Just my opinion anyway.

MD357 · 02-15-2013, 12:28

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I have no idea. It probably was me, but just maybe it was a problem with the gun.

Just going on the basics of how a 1911 works. Which an understanding of which goes a LONG way for 1911 shooters.

Granted several things are possible and you probably need quality mags anyways, ($1000 1911 or not, many 1911s ship with junk mags) but the fact that it locks back sometimes on a full mag and doesn't lock back on an empty mag leads me to believe that a shooter is the first variable to eliminate, rather an extremely easy one.

This would be something important to figure out if you want to carry a 1911.

Mayhem like Me · 02-15-2013, 12:40

Poor staking on the plunger tube it happens, it's an easy fix.

Thats why I have mine brazed...

Spartacus100 · 02-15-2013, 13:08

Someone else mentioned that too about the plunger tube. Its a warranty issue so i'll let Sig fix it. Should be good to go when i get it back.

G36_Me · 02-15-2013, 19:22

I'm not understanding why your getting so much guff about the slide lock issue. Yes, you might be jacking the slide lock; I doubt it. The reason I don't think so is the repetitive nature of the issue and you would recognize the problem since you're not a rookie.

Given the obvious hardware issues I would lean towards a complete check by Sig, including the mags.

Heck, I had to have Ed Brown rework one of their guns for a hardware issue. It is awesome, not tainted.

I'm not a 1911 armor so the folks that obviously are don't seem to think the issue is big. All I can say is I've never had an issue like in your picture and it is something I would also be distressed over.

Good luck and I hope this is fixed and your faith in the firearm is restored. It will take awhile.

Keep us posted as the response to the issue from Sig counts for more than the fact of the issue. We will be judging Sig more by how they make the issue right than by the issue.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 02-15-2013, 19:31

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Originally Posted by G36_Me

I'm not understanding why your getting so much guff about the slide lock issue. Yes, you might be jacking the slide lock; I doubt it.........

The only way a slide stop will engage, with a partially expended
magazine, is shooter input. It can not, will not, happen any other way.

As for the OP,
Learn a crap load more about a 1911, or sell it. You need to learn
general maintenance and adjustments. It's not a Glock, & Sig has
not made a truly decent pistol in the US.

Rinspeed · 02-15-2013, 20:20

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Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

The only way a slide stop will engage, with a partially expended
magazine, is shooter input. It can not, will not, happen any other way.

That's not true at all. If the slide stop is not to spec it can very easily cause the slide to lock with rounds still in the mag. Kimber had a whole bunch of slide stops not made right that would do this on a regular basis.

MD357 · 02-16-2013, 01:33

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I'm not understanding why your getting so much guff about the slide lock issue. Yes, you might be jacking the slide lock; I doubt it. The reason I don't think so is the repetitive nature of the issue and you would recognize the problem since you're not a rookie.

Wasn't giving him "guff".... just going on the probability and likelihood of real world issues. Like I said, most guys won't admit the POSSIBILITY of shooter errors. Granted it could be wildly out of spec factory ammo OR a horribly fitted SS, but other issues would have arisen. From what I've seen, it's not necessarily repetitive after each shot either. Happens a LOT from the classes I've been in from guys that shoot thumbs forward on Glocks and transfer to 1911s.

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I'm not a 1911 armor so the folks that obviously are don't seem to think the issue is big. All I can say is I've never had an issue like in your picture and it is something I would also be distressed over.

Don't need to be a "1911 armorer" to catch a loose plunger tube once and awhile.

***faawrenchbndr*** · 02-16-2013, 06:22

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Originally Posted by Rinspeed

That's not true at all. If the slide stop is not to spec it can very easily cause the slide to lock with rounds still in the mag. Kimber had a whole bunch of slide stops not made right that would do this on a regular basis.

Ok,......that's a new one for me. I can understand this being an issue
if it happened all the time. Buy occasionally,........it's the shooter's input.

Spartacus100 · 02-15-2013, 19:29

i will and thanks for the kind words. It goes back to Sig on Monday and they say the turn around is 3 weeks.

FLIPPER 348 · 02-16-2013, 11:14

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Originally Posted by Spartacus100

i will and thanks for the kind words. It goes back to Sig on Monday and they say the turn around is 3 weeks.

Get yourself one of these and you can fix it in about 5 minutes after it shows up in the mail. Every 1911 owner should have one as it makes plunger tube stake issues a non-issue.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Colt-1911-Pi...item3ccce13bf3