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Old 03-10-2013, 07:49   #1
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Left Rear Guide

Took and Defensive Shooting class yesterday and when I returned home to clean my 23 the left rear guide was not there. The gun perfomed flawlessly during the entire class so I don't know when it happened. I keep a shooting journal and this gun has close to 9,000 trouble free rounds through it. I know a couple of years ago there were many threads on this which I'm not able to find. Would there be anyone out there that has gone through the process of getting this fixed be willing to share what they did in a post or past thread. Thanks for your responses.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:23   #2
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Only way to fix that is a new frame. Call Glock and tell them the problem.
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Old 03-10-2013, 08:24   #3
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Took and Defensive Shooting class yesterday and when I returned home to clean my 23 the left rear guide was not there. The gun perfomed flawlessly during the entire class so I don't know when it happened. I keep a shooting journal and this gun has close to 9,000 trouble free rounds through it. I know a couple of years ago there were many threads on this which I'm not able to find. Would there be anyone out there that has gone through the process of getting this fixed be willing to share what they did in a post or past thread. Thanks for your responses.
I'm trying to understand what you mean by the "left rear guide."

You wouldn't mean the left rear frame rail would you?

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Old 03-10-2013, 09:27   #4
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I was once told that the rear frame rails were one piece of metal that wrapped around the rear of the frame? Maybe I was told wrong?

How could one side be missing without significant damage to the frame?

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Old 03-10-2013, 09:35   #5
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I've always thought that the rear frame rails were one piece of metal that wrapped around the rear of the frame?

How could one side be missing without significant damage to the frame?
Just a guess but what I understand metal fatigue is the most likely culprit. Assuming it isn't a E series frame subject to possible upgrade,because Glock doesn't do recalls. SJ 40
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I was once told that the rear frame rails were one piece of metal that wrapped around the rear of the frame? Maybe I was told wrong?

How could one side be missing without significant damage to the frame?

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Some years back a quantity of frame rails were made that were not in spec and resulted in breakage. The part of the one piece part that sticks out of the frame that the slide ride on would break off.

The frame itself isn't actually damaged, but with the part molded into the frame when it was made, there's no way to fix it other then replacing the frame.
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Yup, send it home to Smyrna, Glock will replace the frame for you (assuming it just broke during normal use as compared to having been abused or altered).

What's the prefix of the guns serial number?

One of the things about Glocks that I find to be really impressive is how often they keep working after they break!
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Yup, send it home to Smyrna, Glock will replace the frame for you (assuming it just broke during normal use as compared to having been abused or altered).

What's the prefix of the guns serial number?

One of the things about Glocks that I find to be really impressive is how often they keep working after they break!
Yes, PREFIX of the S/N, please. That seemed to be the failure mode of the Glocks with the "Exx xxx (E) in the S/N.
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Took and Defensive Shooting class yesterday and when I returned home to clean my 23 the left rear guide was not there...
Can you give us more information?
What do you mean by "not there"?

I'm always paranoid about any damage that might also happen to my Glocks.

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Here's a picture of a broken frame rail I found on the web....

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I made the same picture a touch easier to see....
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And an unbroken one for comparison.
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Here's a picture showing the part of the one piece rear frame rail unit that you can't see, the part that's molded inside the frame. The frame from this one was burned away.

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I cannot remember where I found the picture but here is the frame rails & serial plate no molding.

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I cannot remember where I found the picture but here is the frame rails & serial plate no molding.
Excellent! I've been looking for a picture like that!

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Excellent! I've been looking for a picture like that!
Help yourself to itI have "borrowed" several of yours in the past.
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As said before Glock will replace the receiver unless the pistol was abused in some way other than shooting such as driving over it with heavy equipment.
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Old 03-10-2013, 15:04   #18
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I had to be away from my computer for a bit. Thanks for all your kind replies. It is indeed the left rear frame rail and it looks exactly like the picture that Butch posted. What I mean by it's not there, is just like in Butch's picture it appears like it was sheared off. I would think metal fatigue of the frame rail like SJ 40 said probably summarizes it the best. The S/N is ELG***US. The pistol has never been abused and I've always shot factory ammo. I'll call Smyrna, GA tomorrow and get the ball rolling. I have a few questions
1) should I send the frame with all the components or strip it?
2) for those who had the frame replaced how has having different S/N's for the frame and slide affected the value of the pistol.

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The S/N is ELG***US.
Yup, call Glock. You may still have the option of getting a new frame with the original serial number but with a 1 prefix. The down side to it would be that they'd have to make it (more turn around time) vs a replacement frame they might have on hand.

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Value of the pistol? It's a Glock. Used, they're all worth about the same and your run-of-the-mill G23 will not be worth any more or less if the frame number doesn't match the number on the barrel and slide.
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