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Old 10-27-2008, 17:16   #1
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Redistribution

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I heard someone say, “Poor people have been voting for democrats for 40 years - and they're still poor.”

Yesterday on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read 'Vote Obama, I need the money.' I laughed.

Once in the restaurant my server had on an 'Obama 08' tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference -- just imagine the coincidence.


When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.


I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.


At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more.


I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.

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Old 10-27-2008, 18:01   #2
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redistribution

Great post and so much truth. Obama's redistribution concept just ensures the votes of more mindless sheep.
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Old 10-31-2008, 21:21   #3
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Ok, all you Obama supports out there with kids....take 1/3 of the candy your kids got last night by walking the streets and making an effort, and give to the lazy good for nothings that want candy but wouldn't go get their own last night.

Redistribution. Sounds great
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Americans have for years, hated the thought of socialism and redistribution of wealth. What Obama means by spreading the wealth is for more people to have $ and not just a small sect of the American population.
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Americans have for years, hated the thought of socialism and redistribution of wealth. What Obama means by spreading the wealth is for more people to have $ and not just a small sect of the American population.
What obama plans to do is tax people over $250,000 gross(including small business owners) and take their hard earned money and give MORE MONEY to the people who don't work who are already sucking up resources on wellfare and hand outs. Middle working class people aren't going to see any of the tax cuts or benefits from any of this and you know damn well that the big companies are going to find loop holes and get out of it as usual.

He says we are going to crack down on these big companies and wasteful spending and yet there is a bill coming up to BAIL OUT GM. Billions more $ for nothing. Lets start cutting the fat at washington and the spending there before we put small businesses out on their ass and giving more hand outs to the lazy and unmotivated. Just my opinion.

Also, now that BO is making more than $250k, will he be participating in the share the wealth campaign? just wondering
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Old 11-17-2008, 22:03   #8
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What obama plans to do is tax people over $250,000 gross(including small business owners) and take their hard earned money and give MORE MONEY to the people who don't work who are already sucking up resources on wellfare and hand outs. Middle working class people aren't going to see any of the tax cuts or benefits from any of this and you know damn well that the big companies are going to find loop holes and get out of it as usual.

He says we are going to crack down on these big companies and wasteful spending and yet there is a bill coming up to BAIL OUT GM. Billions more $ for nothing. Lets start cutting the fat at washington and the spending there before we put small businesses out on their ass and giving more hand outs to the lazy and unmotivated. Just my opinion.

Also, now that BO is making more than $250k, will he be participating in the share the wealth campaign? just wondering
You are right on 2 counts.

1. middle class americans will NOT see a tax reduction. President Obama never said so... he said your taxes wont go UP and they wont under his plan.
if you make more than $200,000 and less than $250,000 - you will get money back. if yo umake MORE then $250,000 - you WILL pay more. as you should.
2. yes, President Obama will be paying more taxes as his salary will be $250,000 a year.

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You are right on 2 counts.

1. middle class americans will NOT see a tax reduction. President Obama never said so... he said your taxes wont go UP and they wont under his plan.
if you make more than $200,000 and less than $250,000 - you will get money back. if yo umake MORE then $250,000 - you WILL pay more. as you should.
2. yes, President Obama will be paying more taxes as his salary will be $250,000 a year.

Do you feel sorry for the mom and pop companied that make $250k to $1M. I really think that this is going to put alot of them out of business while the milti-million/billion dollar companies are going to find the loop holes and escape yet again.

Your opinion on this?
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Old 11-20-2008, 16:34   #10
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Do you feel sorry for the mom and pop companied that make $250k to $1M. I really think that this is going to put alot of them out of business while the milti-million/billion dollar companies are going to find the loop holes and escape yet again.

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Become a S-Corp. Then the only taxes you pay is on the Money you pull out and put into your own pocket. I don't feel sorry for anyone putting 250K into their own bank account.
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Do you feel sorry for the mom and pop companied that make $250k to $1M. I really think that this is going to put alot of them out of business while the milti-million/billion dollar companies are going to find the loop holes and escape yet again.

Your opinion on this?
I agree with you on this farnhamj! A liberal and a conservative finding some common ground. My thoughts are as follows... I think you are right in your posting, however, I also think that there needs to be some reform in reference to the matter you are talking about... to prevent things like this from happening and from big CORPS taking advantage of this via loopholes. Loopholes need to be closed so big corps dont get out scott-free and mom and pop barely into the 250k range dont get nailed.
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if yo umake MORE then $250,000 - you WILL pay more. as you should.
Why should they pay MORE? No one should have to pay more taxes. The government should get by with less. We spend our money better than the government could ever. Look what happened when Paulson was given a $700 blank check. Even he can't figure out how best to spend it.

You socialist are SO good and thinking how best to spend other people's money, and then you screw things up. Stay off my back and keep you hands off of my wallet.
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Why should they pay MORE? No one should have to pay more taxes. The government should get by with less. We spend our money better than the government could ever. Look what happened when Paulson was given a $700 blank check. Even he can't figure out how best to spend it.

You socialist are SO good and thinking how best to spend other people's money, and then you screw things up. Stay off my back and keep you hands off of my wallet.
Here is the issue. It's not that some companies are not paying their fair share. It's that the very rich are not paying their fair share. When someone making over 1 BILLION a year is paying under 15% and ordinary people are paying over 30% then thats a problem. That is what this is about. That is a extreem but its actually happening. There should be no situation where the middle class pays a higher % of taxes then the wealty. Being abused by the wealthy is a little like communism isn't it?
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Why should they pay MORE? No one should have to pay more taxes. The government should get by with less. We spend our money better than the government could ever. Look what happened when Paulson was given a $700 blank check. Even he can't figure out how best to spend it.

You socialist are SO good and thinking how best to spend other people's money, and then you screw things up. Stay off my back and keep you hands off of my wallet.
If you make more moeny in this nation, then you owe it to the nation that afforded you the chance to make that money, to pay a little more in taxes... its just fairness. it is NOT fair for people who barely make it to pay more taxes in ratio to their income than the rich capitalists do that explicitly ABUSE and EXPLOIT the labour of the working class
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You are right on 2 counts.

1. middle class americans will NOT see a tax reduction. President Obama never said so... he said your taxes wont go UP and they wont under his plan.
if you make more than $200,000 and less than $250,000 - you will get money back. if yo umake MORE then $250,000 - you WILL pay more. as you should.

Based on what you've said, I think either you don't understand the system, or I didn't see your sarcasm.

"As you should"? You know "rich" people pay more taxes, both in dollars and percentage, than those in lower tax brackets currently, right? And you know that Obama's plan is to RAISE current taxes on anyone and any entity that makes more than $200-250k (depending on which speech you believe), right?

And even Obama admitted to Charlie Gibson that higher taxes equals LESS government revenues, and that he was only raising taxes on "the rich" to - in his words - "be fair"?

Why should the fortunate and profitable, hard-working folks in this country be penalized greater than they are? Why should punishment be handed down to those who risked everything to attain their positions in life? And more importantly, who ever said life was "fair"?

You work your hind-quarters off, and you will live well in this country by other countries standards. You study hard, work hard, and take some risks, you may do well, even by our own standards. If you study hard, work hard, take some risks, and learn from your failures... there is no limit to the success you may attain.

This is the principles upon which this country was founded. Other countries have been founded on the principle of "to each according to his need, from each according to his ability." Yet people immigrate TO the US, not from it. Telling, if you'd care to pay attention.

The problem, then, is that too many in this country lack the intestinal fortitude to actually dig deep and earn their rewards. Too often, they have grown up with rewards for mediocrity, and have grown to expect more for less. Since they are unwilling to earn what they feel entitled to, they feel it is OK to take from those who have earned it - just like mommy taught them in grade school.
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Based on what you've said, I think either you don't understand the system, or I didn't see your sarcasm.

"As you should"? You know "rich" people pay more taxes, both in dollars and percentage, than those in lower tax brackets currently, right? And you know that Obama's plan is to RAISE current taxes on anyone and any entity that makes more than $200-250k (depending on which speech you believe), right?

And even Obama admitted to Charlie Gibson that higher taxes equals LESS government revenues, and that he was only raising taxes on "the rich" to - in his words - "be fair"?

Why should the fortunate and profitable, hard-working folks in this country be penalized greater than they are? Why should punishment be handed down to those who risked everything to attain their positions in life? And more importantly, who ever said life was "fair"?

You work your hind-quarters off, and you will live well in this country by other countries standards. You study hard, work hard, and take some risks, you may do well, even by our own standards. If you study hard, work hard, take some risks, and learn from your failures... there is no limit to the success you may attain.

This is the principles upon which this country was founded. Other countries have been founded on the principle of "to each according to his need, from each according to his ability." Yet people immigrate TO the US, not from it. Telling, if you'd care to pay attention.

The problem, then, is that too many in this country lack the intestinal fortitude to actually dig deep and earn their rewards. Too often, they have grown up with rewards for mediocrity, and have grown to expect more for less. Since they are unwilling to earn what they feel entitled to, they feel it is OK to take from those who have earned it - just like mommy taught them in grade school.
You are trying to make sense to a young, brainwashed, soon-to-be college graduate with ZERO life experience. He drank the kool-aid his professors gave him and took it as gospel.

On Thanksgiving day I had the opportunity to talk to the daughter of some friends in Colorado. Her parents are VERY wealthy.

I last saw her two years ago, just as she was graduating high school. Now a College sophomore, she is a raging liberal idiot. I could respect her, but she started talking about Obama's "change" and how he was going to "fix" things. Not surprisingly, she could not name one thing that he was actually going to change. Just like our young friend here that you are arguing with (and Colorado 4 wheel) they BOTH fail to do their home work and think for themselves. I am quite convinced they are both plants from the Democrat Underground.
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You are right on 2 counts.

1. middle class americans will NOT see a tax reduction. President Obama never said so... he said your taxes wont go UP and they wont under his plan.
if you make more than $200,000 and less than $250,000 - you will get money back. if yo umake MORE then $250,000 - you WILL pay more. as you should.
2. yes, President Obama will be paying more taxes as his salary will be $250,000 a year.

Why should you pay more (higher %) taxes for just because you work harder and make more money? I say tax the non-working lazy azzes a higher % and then they might want to do a little better for themselves. And no, I don't personally make more than $250K a year.....but if I did, I should not be taxed a higher percentage than someone making $100K......Think about it...punish someone for making a better life for themself? DUH
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Dont worry all those middle class chumps that voted for this idot will have their taxes raised just as Clinton did to the middle class to pay for all this money he will be printing.
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Old 12-23-2008, 23:02   #19
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Why should you pay more (higher %) taxes for just because you work harder and make more money? I say tax the non-working lazy azzes a higher % and then they might want to do a little better for themselves. And no, I don't personally make more than $250K a year.....but if I did, I should not be taxed a higher percentage than someone making $100K......Think about it...punish someone for making a better life for themself? DUH
see thats just it MEATHEAD (great name ) the lie that you are spoon-fed is that "if ya werk hard in this ****ry u'll make alotta muney" is that how those ****heads that flew to DC in their million dollar jets made it to the top? did they bust their ass in the shop with the thousands of other americans? or did they **** over co-workers in a dog eat dog society that allowed them to **** over people who invested in the companies? i guess you think Madoff on wall Street worked hard too right??? i mean its tough work lying to people and stealing from them isnt it. I mean you gotta stay up late at night working out ways to not get caught throwing away peoples' entire life savings.... get a clue. just because you WORK HARD doesnt mean you make MORE money. tell that to teachers, cops, firemen, soldiers, etc... they work harder than many others and they arent half as rich as some of the ****heads who live on wall street embezzling investors' lifesavings...
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Note that those claiming to "spread the wealth" inevitably end up spreading the poverty and misery.
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