Obama forces Catholic Abortions

glockman513 · 11-11-2008, 23:01

I just watched my local news channel and saw that the US Catholic Archdiosies are trying to force a meeting with Barack over his policy that forces Catholic hospitals to perform abortions. Is there any truth to this?

vic2367 · 11-13-2008, 15:31

never heard of this

but i wouldnt put it past nobama

***Texas357*** · 11-13-2008, 15:48

No, you heard it wrong. Barak Obama will force Catholics to get abortions.

PAGunner · 11-13-2008, 15:59

What the OP is talking about is the freedom of choice act Obama is proposing. A bishop from the archdiases of Chicago was on Cavuto talking about it today. The bishop actually said that if you voted for Obama and knew his position on this issue, it would be a sin for you to get the sacrament.

***Texas357*** · 11-13-2008, 16:46

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Originally Posted by PAGunner

What the OP is talking about is the freedom of choice act Obama is proposing. A bishop from the archdiases of Chicago was on Cavuto talking about it today. The bishop actually said that if you voted for Obama and knew his position on this issue, it would be a sin for you to get the sacrament.

Some of these Bishops act as if there is only one issue the Catholic Church cares about.

PAGunner · 11-13-2008, 17:27

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Some of these Bishops act as if there is only one issue the Catholic Church cares about.

My grandmother eats, breathes, and craps religion. All she ever railed about was abortion, how evil it is. She has voted democrat her whole life (she's pretty much a socialist, if Karl Marx ran, she'd vote for him, she's never worked). I never bring up religion or politics (her two favorite topics), but when she brings these issues up, I always smile when I see her get ticked off when I remind her the democratic platform is pro-choice.

So in a sense, your absolutely right. Abortion in my experience, is an issue most people have a stance on, but don't necessarily vote on it. I'm pro-life, but its an issue I hardly ever think about, since it doesn't effect me directly.

Bilbo Bagins · 11-13-2008, 21:48

Obama and the democratic congress are trying to pass a bill making it a right for a woman to have an abortion (Freedom of choice act http://www.nrlc.org/foca/FOCA2007S1173.pdf ). If Catholic hospitals do not allow this abortions in their hospitals, are they not denying the rights of women?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/...th_and_th.html

cphilip · 11-13-2008, 17:01

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Originally Posted by PAGunner

... The bishop actually said that if you voted for Obama and knew his position on this issue, it would be a sin for you to get the sacrament.

Thats not how I understood it. I thought he said that if you Voted for Obama, knowing his stance on Abortion, you HAD sinned and NEEDED to take communion to atone for your sin. I don't believe he denied sacrament but he encouraged it. At least thats the way I heard it.

PAGunner · 11-13-2008, 17:23

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Thats not how I understood it. I thought he said that if you Voted for Obama, knowing his stance on Abortion, you HAD sinned and NEEDED to take communion to atone for your sin. I don't believe he denied sacrament but he encouraged it. At least thats the way I heard it.

You could be right, but I was raised as a Roman Catholic and IIRC, you cannot recieve the sacrament until you have confessed your recent sins.

meshmdz · 11-15-2008, 10:20

here we go!!!!

Obama hasnt FORCED any Catholics to have or to condone abortions. You just read some more right-wing bull**** rhetoric, bent on spreading lies about the future President.

vafish · 01-28-2009, 15:51

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Originally Posted by meshmdz

here we go!!!!

Obama hasnt FORCED any Catholics to have or to condone abortions. You just read some more right-wing bull**** rhetoric, bent on spreading lies about the future President.

But I bet he stops all federal funding that the hospitals have been receiving if they don't perform abortions.

***bigj480*** · 06-05-2010, 14:50

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But I bet he stops all federal funding that the hospitals have been receiving if they don't perform abortions.

Maybe, and rightfully so IMHO. Religion has no place in medical practice unless it is the PATIENT'S wish.

ptwheat · 07-06-2010, 14:58

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Originally Posted by bigj480

Maybe, and rightfully so IMHO. Religion has no place in medical practice unless it is the PATIENT'S wish.

BigJ ..I second that motion , unless the patient wishes so. Im pro-choice only because if im not its the government telling people what they can and cant do with their bodies, whats next? Personally I would never be involved in an abortion no matter what.Thank GOD Ive never been even close to a situation like that...

SouthpawShooter · 11-17-2011, 05:03

No matter how you feel about using abortions as a method of birth control, here is an issue that needs to be addressed.

There are times when a pregnancy has complications, and it has now become dangerous for the mother to continue carrying this particular fetus. Unfortunately, sometimes the fetus has such deformations, that it will most likely not survive, and even if it does, not for long, or in a condition that is horrendous.

What if a pregnant woman is now in a crisis where it's either remove the fetus, or lose them both for sure? Should a hospital just say, "sorry, it's the Lords' will", and refuse to perform this procedure to save the life of the mother?

I for one don't think they should have to perform this procedure for the purpose of birth control, but it's when they refuse to do so in these circumstances that it gets dicey. Especially if they want public money.

The father of a good friend of mine is an ob/gyn and he once said he would refuse to abort no matter what stating "it's God's will" whether she lives through the delivery or not. This is dangerous ground. Do we really want this kind of thing to be allowed?

807364 · 03-13-2009, 21:17

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Originally Posted by meshmdz

here we go!!!!

Obama hasnt FORCED any Catholics to have or to condone abortions. You just read some more right-wing bull**** rhetoric, bent on spreading lies about the future President.

If I understand this all correctly, forcing the Catholic hospitals to make a decision (condone or else) is exactly what he is doing. If the hospital chooses to exercise their religious beliefs and not murder children then they will be breaking the law, and thus the federal government will have the right to shut them down. If on the other hand the Catholic hospitals bow to the will of Obama and murder children then they are being denied their right to religious freedom.

unit1069 · 03-15-2009, 07:49

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If I understand this all correctly, forcing the Catholic hospitals to make a decision (condone or else) is exactly what he is doing. If the hospital chooses to exercise their religious beliefs and not murder children then they will be breaking the law, and thus the federal government will have the right to shut them down. If on the other hand the Catholic hospitals bow to the will of Obama and murder children then they are being denied their right to religious freedom.

Leftists have for years tried to overturn the Freedom of Conscience law that permits private hospital workers to refuse to perform abortions. With Obama and a Democrat congressional majority they now believe they have the power to force their will on others.

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Taking another step into the abortion debate, the Obama administration today will move to rescind a controversial rule that allows healthcare workers to deny abortion counseling or other family planning services if doing so would violate their moral beliefs, according to administration officials. http://www.latimes.com/news/science/...tory?track=rss

I've recently read that the Catholic Church has stated it will close down hospitals before they will perform abortions. If that happens I expect the federal and blue state governments will seize the hospitals just as Stalin seized all private property and denied all citizens the right to self-determination.

meshmdz · 11-15-2008, 10:21

PAGunner, Karl Marx... You mean, you wouldnt vote for him!?!?!?!

Yellowfin · 03-26-2009, 02:55

I find it highly hypocritical considering the fact that if he were born in the US, which he wasn't, a few years later than he was he'd probably have been aborted himself since he was illegitimate.

FThorn · 03-26-2009, 05:07

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I find it highly hypocritical considering the fact that if he were born in the US, which he wasn't, a few years later than he was he'd probably have been aborted himself since he was illegitimate.

Best thought in a long time.

From what I've read it's likely that Catholic hospitals will close due to this. If we won't get armed resistance to all these stupid laws, that's the only choice they have.

Gombu · 03-26-2009, 11:23

If they take public funds then they should be able to provide medical services.

If its a private hospital with no public money then the government should not have any say in the matter.

Free Country that we live in does mean some will chose abortion, not for me to judge.

FThorn · 03-28-2009, 07:02

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Originally Posted by Gombu

If they take public funds then they should be able to provide medical services.

If its a private hospital with no public money then the government should not have any say in the matter.

Free Country that we live in does mean some will chose abortion, not for me to judge.

I think what will probably happen is the 'parts' of the hospitals will break out. Perhaps it will effect emergency and urgent care. Not sure. But maternity areas might very well just be broken out and handled as a separate entity, with no public/gov interference.

No, forcing the Catholic church to kill people (call them what you want) is not a sensible thing. They are fundamentally opposed to it. It's religion at its core.

807364 · 03-28-2009, 09:25

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Originally Posted by FThorn

No, forcing the Catholic church to kill people (call them what you want) is not a sensible thing. They are fundamentally opposed to it. It's religion at its core.

Now that is one of the most sensible things I have heard in a long time. Seems odd we live in a world dominated by liberals that tout people's rights to this and that, yet they don't hesitate for even a moment to crap all over the rights of anyone that does not think the way they do.

People don't like being pissed on, then told its only raining.

hatidua · 03-28-2009, 11:24

Next we'll hear that Obama will promote a bill allowing Catholics to buy condoms - it just never ends

Bilbo Bagins · 03-28-2009, 11:32

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Next we'll hear that Obama will promote a bill allowing Catholics to buy condoms - it just never ends

They give them out in public school, who knows if they will pass a law forcing ALL school, even private and catholic schools to hand out condoms.

orangedawg19 · 04-01-2009, 14:17

I had to edit my entire post in order not to force this thread into IBTL mode... so here's what I'll say instead:

Good will triumph over evil.