[slewfoot]

Originally Posted by cookekdjr

Which is why I'll vote for the guy despite our divergence on gun laws. I don't think his stance on guns matters to him the way the economy, health care, and Iraq do. And on those larger issues, I agree with him.
-David

What makes you believe Obama will be calling the shots?

Obama's only function in the democrat party is to rubber stamp anything coming out of the democratic controlled congress.

How important has the economy been to the democrats since they took control of the Congress?

What have they done except talk themselves into the lowest approval rating in history?

You probably put more thought in what color toothbrush to buy than you have about your vote.

[keith56]

No he is not even close to being presidential material although someone did mention some thing a little closer to his speed , a fry cook at McDonald's.

[Cross-X]

A thinly experienced Senator, never been an executive in government, and fond of giving airy, vapid speeches.

There is no way he is qualified to be Commander in Chief of the USA.

[cookekdjr]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

What makes you believe Obama will be calling the shots?

Obama's only function in the democrat party is to rubber stamp anything coming out of the democratic controlled congress...
You probably put more thought in what color toothbrush to buy than you have about your vote.

You are not paying attention. The democratic controlled congress was for HRC....but the people, through a grass roots movement, put BHO in front. Over 2 million people have given money to his campaign.
As for thought into my vote vs. my toothbrush:
Seriously? You think just because someone disagrees with you they are stupid? Really?
This is what I know. The average American gained income every year under Clinton. Then lost money every year under Bush.
The richest 1% did very well under Clinton...but did even better under Bush.
Taxes will go down for everyone under BHO, unless they make over $250K a year.
So I guess you either make over $250K a year (congratulations, good for you, I don't blame you for voting against Obama). Or you have not thought this whole thing through...

[cookekdjr]

By the way, how do y'all feel about how McCain votes against vets and their benefits (actually calls them "ground noise" and "static" when vets call him out on it) and basically has abandoned vets, while Obama supports vets?
Does McCain expect all vets to cheat on their wives and marry an heiress so they'll have good health care like he did? Is that the new McCain vets health care plan?
What do you think is McCain's motivation to disown our new vets now that he's rich? Does he simply want to cut taxes for the richest 1% again at our veterans expense? Why does he hate them so much?

[cookekdjr]

Originally Posted by Cross-X

A thinly experienced Senator, never been an executive in government, and fond of giving airy, vapid speeches.

There is no way he is qualified to be Commander in Chief of the USA.

You might want to check out the thread that I started about Palin...

[striker6126]

Originally Posted by cookekdjr

By the way, how do y'all feel about how McCain votes against vets and their benefits (actually calls them "ground noise" and "static" when vets call him out on it) and basically has abandoned vets, while Obama supports vets?
Does McCain expect all vets to cheat on their wives and marry an heiress so they'll have good health care like he did? Is that the new McCain vets health care plan?
What do you think is McCain's motivation to disown our new vets now that he's rich? Does he simply want to cut taxes for the richest 1% again at our veterans expense? Why does he hate them so much?

Could you please show proof of the "ground noise" and "static" comment.

[slewfoot]

Originally Posted by cookekdjr

Seriously? You think just because someone disagrees with you they are stupid? Really?

Once you gain some experience in life, you will learn no one can prove you stupid, you have to do that on your own.

[Cobra64]

Originally Posted by striker6126

You don't have to believe any chain letter . Just listen to the bs that comes out of his mouth , or look at who his friends are and what they are on the record for saying and doing.

Agreed. Unfortunately, too many people don't pay attention to the facts. Every day he proves what he is.

Since I've been accused of "b.s. propoganda," perhaps some folks may want to Google this:

ayers + obama

[SGT45]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think we need a president with a mid-eastern name, especially when we are at war with a Mid-eastern Country. There are many others reason's I don't want him as President, but I don't feel like getting into it now.

[cookekdjr]

Originally Posted by Cobra64

Agreed. Unfortunately, too many people don't pay attention to the facts. Every day he proves what he is.

Since I've been accused of "b.s. propoganda," perhaps some folks may want to Google this:

ayers + obama

Here ya go:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_120495.html

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/mai...-responds.html

[cookekdjr]

Originally Posted by striker6126

Could you please show proof of the "ground noise" and "static" comment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...mment_15358475

[striker6126]

Originally Posted by cookekdjr

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0...mment_15358475

One would think that someone so interested in the facts would do a little more home work before SPEAKING OUT OF TURN.

The "ground noise" and "static" comment was directed at a code pink ahole that was being escorted out of the building by security . One that gained entrance by using a MSNBC press pass. Wonder how thay got that?????

[cookekdjr]

Originally Posted by striker6126

One would think that someone so interested in the facts would do a little more home work before SPEAKING OUT OF TURN.

The "ground noise" and "static" comment was directed at a code pink ahole that was being escorted out of the building by security . One that gained entrance by using a MSNBC press pass. Wonder how thay got that?????

You obviously did not read the whole article. The primary heckler was an Iraq war vet. Here is his interview (which you could have accessed via the link you failed to read in full):

INTERVIEW WITH MCCAIN HECKLER ADAM KOKESH.

Kokesh, a passionate Ron Paul supporter, is 26 and a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War. He served in Fallujah in 2004, grew up in Santa Fe, and currently lives in Washington, D.C. He has a website.

At the beginning of McCain's speech, Kokesh held up a sign reading, "McCain Votes Against Vets" and yelled, "Ask him why he votes against vets!" I followed as Kokesh was escorted out of the Excel Center by security, handcuffed by local police, and then briefly questioned while security debated whether or not the Secret Service would get involved. They did not. He was then escorted off the premises and allowed to go free. I interviewed him just outside the security gates, where he was greeted happily by antiwar protesters.
Why were you here in the Twin Cities? And how did you get into the Excel Center?
I was here in Minneapolis for the IVAW convention and thought I’d stick around for this.

Well I’ve been a Ron Paul supporter since the beginning of this campaign. Since before this campaign started, actually, I’ve been a fan of Paul. So I’ve got a lot of friends in the Ron Paul crowd. And he’s got a lot of delegates in there. More than the Republican Party is willing to admit. And the fact that I got into there is proof of that. One of Paul’s alternate delegates got me a guest pass.

Were you surprised to be handcuffed? Or are you just relieved you were not arrested or detained longer?

I was actually expecting to get manhandled much sooner. [During the heckling], someone was grabbing my belt and pulling on me. And then someone pulled the sign out of my hands.

Do you feel your protest was effective?

Well I wasn’t so much trying to interrupt the speech as make the point that McCain has a horrible voting record on veterans. What the Republican Party is doing with their take on the war in Iraq is spinning it in such a way that it’s about victory or defeat. But they can’t face up to the fact that you can’t win an occupation. In an occupation, everybody loses. What we’re calling for is an immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces in Iraq.

[cookekdjr]

Originally Posted by striker6126

The "ground noise" and "static" comment was directed at a code pink ahole that was being escorted out of the building by security . One that gained entrance by using a MSNBC press pass. Wonder how thay got that?????

You must be talking about something else or have your facts wrong. The Iraq war vet clearly says:

Well I’ve been a Ron Paul supporter since the beginning of this campaign. Since before this campaign started, actually, I’ve been a fan of Paul. So I’ve got a lot of friends in the Ron Paul crowd. And he’s got a lot of delegates in there. More than the Republican Party is willing to admit. And the fact that I got into there is proof of that. One of Paul’s alternate delegates got me a guest pass.

[Javelin]

If I had to make a choice between Obama and a random lottery for the next President. Obama would have to get a ticket like everyone else.

I just could not ethically say a racist liberal such as Obama should wear the Chief Citizen, Chief Diplomat, or Commander in Chief hat. Period.

-Javelin

[striker6126]

Originally Posted by cookekdjr

You must be talking about something else or have your facts wrong. The Iraq war vet clearly says:

Well I’ve been a Ron Paul supporter since the beginning of this campaign. Since before this campaign started, actually, I’ve been a fan of Paul. So I’ve got a lot of friends in the Ron Paul crowd. And he’s got a lot of delegates in there. More than the Republican Party is willing to admit. And the fact that I got into there is proof of that. One of Paul’s alternate delegates got me a guest pass.

The vets supporting Paul or Paul's delegates are not the part in question. The fact you said he called vet's "ground noise" and "static" is wrong . He called the code pink protester that was being led out by security "ground noise" and "static" not vets. If you watched or will watch the speach it is clear where he directed his comment .

[cookekdjr]

Originally Posted by Javelin

If I had to make a choice between Obama and a random lottery for the next President. Obama would have to get a ticket like everyone else.

I just could not ethically say a racist liberal such as Obama should wear the Chief Citizen, Chief Diplomat, or Commander in Chief hat. Period.

-Javelin

Looks like you differ when compared to quite a few retired generals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NttDOQcO2bM

[cookekdjr]

Originally Posted by striker6126

The vets supporting Paul or Paul's delegates are not the part in question. The fact you said he called vet's "ground noise" and "static" is wrong . He called the code pink protester that was being led out by security "ground noise" and "static" not vets. If you watched or will watch the speach it is clear where he directed his comment .

No, it was directed at the vet who started it. Which is why the title of the article is:

McCain Speech Interrupted by Iraq Vet Heckler

instead of McCain speech interrupted by code pink protester.

The Ron Paul-supporting Iraq vet was the guy led out in handcuffs and interviewed on the scene by the reporter. He was the guy who started it, questioning why McCain has turned his back on Iraq vets. And McCain never responded except for his comment about static and ground noise. Did McCain make some other response to the guy that I missed? If you know of one please share it with us.

[cookekdjr]

Originally Posted by striker6126

The vets supporting Paul or Paul's delegates are not the part in question. The fact you said he called vet's "ground noise" and "static" is wrong . He called the code pink protester that was being led out by security "ground noise" and "static" not vets. If you watched or will watch the speach it is clear where he directed his comment .

I think you need to also consider McCain's response in light of the larger context and how he acts towards veterans. Take this blog entry from Veterans for Common Sense, entitled McCain's Voting Record: He Does Not Support Our Troops and Veterans:

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

[striker6126]

Originally Posted by cookekdjr

No, it was directed at the vet who started it. Which is why the title of the article is:

McCain Speech Interrupted by Iraq Vet Heckler

instead of McCain speech interrupted by code pink protester.

The Ron Paul-supporting Iraq vet was the guy led out in handcuffs and interviewed on the scene by the reporter. He was the guy who started it, questioning why McCain has turned his back on Iraq vets. And McCain never responded except for his comment about static and ground noise. Did McCain make some other response to the guy that I missed? If you know of one please share it with us.

Watch starting at 0:30 until 1:10 no where was a Ron Paul supporter or a Vet . It was only the code pink libtard with a msnbc press pass that the comment in question was directed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6TAY...eature=related


Btw i am also a gulf war vet and i have no problem with Mccain. The vets I know do not believe that just because we served this GREAT COUNTRY that anyone owes us anything.

[cookekdjr]

Originally Posted by striker6126

Watch starting at 0:30 until 1:10 no where was a Ron Paul supporter or a Vet . It was only the code pink libtard with a msnbc press pass that the comment in question was directed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6TAY...eature=related


Btw i am also a gulf war vet and i have no problem with Mccain. The vets I know do not believe that just because we served this GREAT COUNTRY that anyone owes us anything.

Ok, I see where the confusion is. The interviews and reporting I've heard on this were that the code pink and vet protests were very close in time. I understood that the vet felt like the static comment etc was directed towards him. I can see why you would think otherwise in light of how the code pink person is shown on camera while the vet is not. I've followed this story on more than one outlet and it was understood based on the reporters present and the vet who was led away in handcuffs that they felt the static comment was directed towards him. Maybe McCain meant the comment only towards the code pink folks and was ignoring the vet (which is still pretty bad in my opinion to ignore the vets he supposedly cares about).

[striker6126]

Originally Posted by cookekdjr

Ok, I see where the confusion is. The interviews and reporting I've heard on this were that the code pink and vet protests were very close in time. I understood that the vet felt like the static comment etc was directed towards him. I can see why you would think otherwise in light of how the code pink person is shown on camera while the vet is not. I've followed this story on more than one outlet and it was understood based on the reporters present and the vet who was led away in handcuffs that they felt the static comment was directed towards him. Maybe McCain meant the comment only towards the code pink folks and was ignoring the vet (which is still pretty bad in my opinion to ignore the vets he supposedly cares about).

The outlets that i have seen do show the vet holding a sign , however i have not seen anything that shows him being led out in cuffs (not saying it did not happen) I have read on other sites where they have said this but if anyone looks at the video evidence it is VERY clear who it was directed at.

As far as ignoring the vet , does anyone really expect some one making a speach to stop and engage in debate with them?

[fishbone]

yes he does and for the people who are afraid to loose their guns, play around and you might get to use them in iraq, voting for mcain

[cookekdjr]

Per Eric's sticky post at the top of the voting booth forum I am bowing out of this discussion.
I understand this is largely a conservative bunch. That's fine. I'm used to being a minority.
I would ask that, as this election grows closer, and the rhetoric and attack ads increase on both sides, that everyone here at GT not just accept any charge leveled at either candidate. I have found that almost every charge directed at Obama via an email (and many on Fox News) have been proven false. The emails are generally exposed on snopes by the time you get them. The Fox News stuff is generally cleared up on other networks that many here don't watch. But it is out there.
I would also ask that, there being two major choices left, that people here at GT actually watch the debates, then fact check them the next day. Be informed.
Finally, I 'd ask, since most folks here at GT are automatically going to vote for McCain, that you at least consider voting Obama. Check out his site. Read his response to the hatchet-job swift-boat biography that was released recently. See what his tax plan would actually do for you (for 99% of you, it will lower your taxes). Compare his voting record on veterans affairs vs. McCain's. See who has really flip-flopped and who has not. See how many retired generals support Obama vs. McCain.
If you still want to vote for McCain after comparing the two, fine. Vote your conscience. But I'd ask that you actually make an informed comparison.
Thanks for listening,

David