Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President? - Page 9

cookekdjr · 09-30-2008, 10:42

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Originally Posted by gunsite

that's true, people don't know with their talking about when they talk about Sarah's lack of experience.

Lack of experience belongs to barry, he has none, barry been in politics a few years as a person in charge of nothing, and accountable to know one. He was a lawyer ACORN...lol, and a community organizer which means he was a block organizer/agitator. The few years barry has been in the senate 2 of those years has been getting groomed to run for president. People don't talk about his lack of experience, my god, all his political experience was voting, and i can't remember how many times he couldn't make a decision between Ya or Na, so he voted present.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/hel..._teleprompter/

A challenge to you: Name one day, ONE DAY, ONE DAY when Obama voted "present" in the US Senate.
If you can't do it, take it back. Put up or shut up.

**kirgi08** · 09-30-2008, 10:44

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Originally Posted by SW342

If it's ok with you guys.....I want to vote NO AGAIN --- NOBAMA!

<<<<Don't have a prob at all.'08.

Don At PC · 09-30-2008, 12:42

A very loud "NO".

MasterShake · 09-30-2008, 13:19

He's about as qualified as my nephew is, he is 8 and goes to the YMCA.

Obama is only as good as his teleprompter.

meshmdz · 09-30-2008, 17:28

cookekdjr · 09-30-2008, 20:23

gunsite,
still waiting for you to name any day when Obama voted "present" in the U.S. Senate. Still waiting.
Extra bonus question: name ANY US Senator who has voted "present".

meshmdz · 09-30-2008, 21:00

cooke, alot of fellas on here are good guys but they just spout rhetoric they hear and take it as fact.

stetson · 09-30-2008, 21:15

No ,but the young voters love him.Just go to any college and you see nothing but his posters and his supporters including faculty polluting young minds!

meshmdz · 09-30-2008, 22:30

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Originally Posted by stetson

No ,but the young voters love him.Just go to any college and you see nothing but his posters and his supporters including faculty polluting young minds!

You are right and wrong.

Right - college campuses are very excited about a President Obama.

Wrong - profs arent polluting, they are exposing the ass of the Bush admins past 8 years as if there was ever any real need for further explanation.

a consequence is OBAMA supporters galore!!!

SigPro2022 · 09-30-2008, 22:46

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Originally Posted by meshmdz

cooke, alot of fellas on here are good guys but they just spout rhetoric they hear and take it as fact.

Kind of like the way the Obama faithful spread the rhetoric they here.

meshmdz · 09-30-2008, 23:05

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Originally Posted by SigPro2022

Kind of like the way the Obama faithful spread the rhetoric they here.

Not really, its more like we believe and understand the stance of the candidate we support as a fix to the **** the Republican party has presided over and allowed to go to hell. Its more like that.

**kirgi08** · 10-01-2008, 01:15

It's Kinda Ironic.You wear the uniform and are anti 2A.Your Candidate sure is.Before you blow a fuse check his voting record.McCains' aint much better but lets see your take.'08.

SigPro2022 · 10-01-2008, 07:28

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Originally Posted by meshmdz

Not really, its more like we believe and understand the stance of the candidate we support as a fix to the **** the Republican party has presided over and allowed to go to hell. Its more like that.

So let me get this straight. No one who supports McCain can believe or understand your candidates stance or views? That is so elitist. Anyone who supports McCain just doesn't understand, is that it? I guess it's your job to set us all straight, and make sure we support the mighty O?

A vote for Obama is a vote against your 2nd Amendment rights, no matter how you try and justify his views.

rwschill · 10-01-2008, 07:59

I think it will be a close race but he has a good chance and will do a fine job.

meshmdz · 10-01-2008, 08:43

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Originally Posted by SigPro2022

So let me get this straight. No one who supports McCain can believe or understand your candidates stance or views? That is so elitist. Anyone who supports McCain just doesn't understand, is that it? I guess it's your job to set us all straight, and make sure we support the mighty O?

A vote for Obama is a vote against your 2nd Amendment rights, no matter how you try and justify his views.

Sig, I am not trying to set anyone straight. All I am saying is that McCain's plans do not make sense economically. He wants to cut taxes by cutting port barrel spending when port barrel spending cuts completely wouldnt be able to fund the tax cuts he is talking about. Every person that I see on here that has been a "mccain gun owner/supporter" never says ANYTHING about anything other than the fact that he is better than Obama on ONE issue. I dont care if you vote for Obama or not. I just believe that it is ignorant to vote for a candidate based on 1 issue... and some of the comments like "we better be armed when nov. 5th rolls around" are just laughable.

kirg - what is ironic about being in the military and voting for someone who recognizes a war based on lies from the start of it?

mesteve2 · 10-01-2008, 08:56

He is a good reader, Great lier, and really STIPID!

To are GUNS!

cookekdjr · 10-01-2008, 09:27

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Originally Posted by meshmdz

cooke, alot of fellas on here are good guys but they just spout rhetoric they hear and take it as fact.

Yeah, I guess I should be nicer about it with folks who obviously don't know any better. But its so infuriating to keep hearing the same talking point lies repeated over and over and over. When we point out the lies, they say well, Obama lies, too.
But my point about the voting present thing (still haven't heard anybody making this charge respond) is that the people who wrote that talking point for less-informed people to spread (like our friends here at GT) know there is no such thing as voting present in the US Senate. But they say it over and over and then get people here at GT to echo it.
Bottom line is, almost every single crack against Obama at GT is a lie. The ONLY real factual point they have on him is his stance on 2nd Am. That's it.
Obviously I disagree with Obama on that, but its not even a priority of his, and enough of his support comes from gun owners that I just can't see him making a wedge issue liks guns a priority. It would be politically stupid to do that, and he has demonstrated he's not politically stupid.

farnhamj · 10-01-2008, 09:59

1. Robert Byrd
2. Ted Kennedy
3. Joe Biden

Probably not the best two people to be on a list with...imho

farnhamj · 10-01-2008, 10:06

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Originally Posted by cookekdjr

A challenge to you: Name one day, ONE DAY, ONE DAY when Obama voted "present" in the US Senate.
If you can't do it, take it back. Put up or shut up.

You just said that "It is common practice" to vote present, yet they don't vote present... so did he not show up or just not vote? I don't understand. Please Clarify. Thanks.

farnhamj · 10-01-2008, 10:09

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Originally Posted by meshmdz

I am assuming you are military in backround from your pic, and I am amazed that you can back someone who says that your fighting and courage and putting yourself on the line along with everyone else in the military. I don't know if you are in Iraq or were or whatever, but backing someone who says this war was a mistake would make me upset. He is basically saying that all you do and all you live for and believe is a mistake. Doesn't sound like anyone I would like in the white house.

farnhamj · 10-01-2008, 10:12

Wrong - profs arent polluting, they are exposing the ass of the Bush admins past 8 years as if there was ever any real need for further explanation.

wrong again. from personal experience, I have watched many profs use their classrooms, from algebra to political sci, as their personal pulpit to spread their political views with young moldable minds being brainwashed into believing the hog wash.

farnhamj · 10-01-2008, 10:16

Yup. I think I will vote again....HELL NO!!!

cookekdjr · 10-01-2008, 10:33

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Originally Posted by farnhamj

You just said that "It is common practice" to vote present, yet they don't vote present... so did he not show up or just not vote? I don't understand. Please Clarify. Thanks.

Let's start over.
Obama served in the Illinois legislature (Senate) for seven years, from 1997-2004. During his tenure he voted over 4,000 times.
The Illinois legislature has an odd system of voting that allows members to vote "yes", "no" or "present". Generally, a present vote is used when a member formerly supported a bill but no longer does based on amendments to the bill, or other tactical reasons. Sometimes large blocks of legislators vote present. Sometimes only one will.
Of Obama's 4,000 plus votes in the Illinois Sentate, he voted "present" 129 times, or roughly 3% of the time. One source for this information can be found at: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...present_votes/

Now, about the US Senate. There is no such thing as a "present" vote. The GOP tacticians who write the talking points that fellow GT members keep repeating know this, but they spread it anyway. So we hear the lies here, even though the GT members apparently don't know any better.
I hope that clarified things.

ldcarson · 10-01-2008, 11:35

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Originally Posted by meshmdz

Not really, its more like we believe and understand the stance of the candidate we support as a fix to the **** the Republican party has presided over and allowed to go to hell. Its more like that.

REALLY? Funny...I can't find a thing on what he really stands for...Can you explain???

lets just start with something simple:

1. Guncontrol...What "Changes" does he see in our futures
2. The war on terror...just in general terms...how would he change our engagement policies for the better?
3. Social Security how can he change it for the better without taxing all of us.
4. The "Bail-out", what kind of change would he enact to benefit the taxpayer...we already know what his community organization has done with the housing market
5. His wifes view of America and how he can change them cause they are dead wrong.
6. His own ministers view and how he plans to help rev. wright change his attitudes.
7. What Change he feels is needed in America? What areas, what sectors etc...
8. His view and ideas on islam and the western world, and how to "Change" what we've been doing.
9. His ideas on becoming energy sufficient and how he will effect a change in that industry that will not go into our pockets even more.

I can go on and on because I have yet to hear one plan or idea...lots of talk about change but nothing except empty words....

***gunsite*** · 10-01-2008, 12:18

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Originally Posted by cookekdjr

A challenge to you: Name one day, ONE DAY, ONE DAY when Obama voted "present" in the US Senate.
If you can't do it, take it back. Put up or shut up.

You ask for it.... in the NYT no less. 130 times.... Present!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us...s/20obama.html