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Old 03-18-2009, 11:17   #1
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Dillon 550 Do I really need all this

I am considering buying a dillon 550B Right now I am only loading 2 calibers .. Who here owns this press..And what of all this extra..It came to 1032.00

Using a Lee Classic turret with 4 die carbies..I was told I need to buy the dillion dies or I won't get good accuracy

This was a store online that sells Dillon ....

BELOW IS WHAT THE SALES PERSON SAID WAS REQUIRED.
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RL 550B in Caliber as Specified @ $ 406.95 <o:p></o:p>

<o:p> </o:p> 22051 Strong Mount - 550/650 @ $ 45.95<o:p></o:p>
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17950 Roller Handle - Aluminum - 550/650 @ $ 40.95<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p>
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40 S&W Dillon 3-Die Set, Caliber as Specified @ $ 60.95 <o:p></o:p>
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22214 Bullet Tray - 550/650/SqDeal @ $ 37.95<o:p></o:p>
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21528 Decapping Pins 10-Pack: Dillon Pistol Dies Only @ $ 4.95<o:p></o:p>
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1541 550 Toolholder w/o Casefeeder - w/Wrenches @ $ 25.95<o:p></o:p>
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20048 550B Spare Parts Kit @ $ 15.95<o:p></o:p>
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11185 550B Empty Case Bin and Bracket @ $ 22.95 <o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p>

200xx 4-Pack Primer Pickup Tubes, Size as Specified @ $ 19.95<o:p></o:p>
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13606 Primer Flip Tray @ $ 16.95
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10330 Reloading Manual - Lyman #49 @ $ 24.95 <o:p></o:p>
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15164 Dillon 40 S&W & 45 ACP Stainless Case Gage @ $ 12.95 ea. <o:p></o:p>
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14398 Dillon 40 S&W/10mm Carbide 3-Die Set @ $ 60.95<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p>
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20179 RL 550B Caliber Conv: 40 S&W/10mm @ $ 41.95<o:p></o:p><o:p></o:p>

15166 Dillon 45 ACP Stainless Case Gage @ $ 12.95

22058 Dillon Quick Change Kit @ 95.99 ( same here either this powder tool )
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:39   #2
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IMO, you should have gotten by with a little over 500.00. You were sold a LOT of unneeded accessories. Need, press & dies all the other stuff is fluff. Nice to have, but you can get by without most or all of it.
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:42   #3
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some of the stuff on the list is required, the rest would be nice to have at some point. but, there is a big difference in need and want. you shouldn't have to spend anywhere close to $1000 to start loading. watch out for that salesperson.

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Old 03-18-2009, 11:43   #4
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Didn't buy it yet that's why I am asking..I can understand need a caliber conversion kit..But why more dies..Whats wrong with my Lees..I have powder die with those..I always read you only need dillion dies specific for the Square B

Hoping someone who owns this press replies ..I want what I need..I know for sure I don't need more trays to hold bullets .. I have bins up the yang/

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Old 03-18-2009, 11:46   #5
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Didn't buy it yet that's why I am asking..I can understand need a caliber conversion kit..But why more dies..Whats wrong with my Lees..I have powder die with those..I always read you only need dillion dies specific for the Square B

Lee dies will be fine. You can buy a hell of a lot of powder, primers etc. with the money saved.
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:47   #6
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your lee dies would work just fine in the dillon press. you will need, however, the caliber conversion kits (check part numbers some are interchangable) or pieces from the kits. you would need some extra tool heads and powder dies if you want to leave the calibers set up and swap calibers.
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:50   #7
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Old 03-18-2009, 12:04   #8
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I own a Dillon XL650; it's the next step up from the 550B; and, in my opinion not necessarily a, 'better press'. For many years reloading was my real avocation. Many times I came home from the range honestly believing that - more than pistol craft - I was going to the range only to produce more reloading work for myself. (I built some beautiful ammunition!)

I don't see anything on your list that I don't have or haven't used. In fact I've got a lot more equipment than what is described. (RCBS Case Prep Station, Sidewinder Tumbler w/ double barrels, a large spare parts inventory, and much more trimming equipment than has been mentioned. I've, also, got large and small press-mounted powder measures, a separate micrometer powder measure, and two precision powder scales as well as 24 extra feed tubes that I prefer to use instead of an automatic case feeder - Which is way too fast for my liking!)

I think the question needs to be answered; 'How much do you like to reload?' If you're like most shooters I know, reloading will become a restful and addictive hobby for you to pursue. I know that, many a time, when I've had a bad day I like nothing better than to get on my reloading bench and just make ammunition. It's a hobby you have to pay careful attention to; so there's no time for distracting thoughts or worrying about, 'other stuff'.

If I were just starting out again, and had the money, my own answer would be; 'Yes!' I'd buy all of the items that salesman recommended. (Obviously he's a serious reloader who likes a nicely set up reloading press as much as he likes a fine gun.)




PS: Just read through your list again; you're going to need a powder scale for sure; and, if you use other than Dillon dies on the 550B then make sure you use hexagon shaped lock rings because they're much easier to adjust. OK!

http://www.dillonprecision.com/conte...ck_Ring_5_Pack

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That's bs. I use lee dies and rcbs dies on my 550b and they work just as they did on my single stage.

if your already loading for your calibers. Just buy the 550b and load on it. If you find things you want to change you can do so later.
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There are no shortages of opinions here. Of course, one man's want is another man's need. Here is my opinion and I'm sure some will disagree. It is the nature of the posting on forums.


RL 550B in Caliber as Specified @ $ 406.95 <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><O:P></O:P>REQUIRED if you want a Dillon

<O:P></O:P>22051 Strong Mount - 550/650 @ $ 45.95<O:P></O:P> OPTIONAL but depends on your mounting restrictions. I have it and like the work height<o:p></o:p>

<O:P></O:P>17950 Roller Handle - Aluminum - 550/650 @ $ 40.95<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P> OPTIONAL and you can always add it down the road

<O:P></O:P>40 S&W Dillon 3-Die Set, Caliber as Specified @ $ 60.95 <O:P></O:P>You need dies from somebody

<O:P></O:P>22214 Bullet Tray - 550/650/SqDeal @ $ 37.95<O:P></O:P> Nice to have

<O:P></O:P>21528 Decapping Pins 10-Pack: Dillon Pistol Dies Only @ $ 4.95<O:P></O:P> SPARE PARTS but the pins are reliable. Check to see if one or two pins come in the spare parts kit.

<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>1541 550 Toolholder w/o Casefeeder - w/Wrenches @ $ 25.95<O:P></O:P> OPTIONAL

<O:P></O:P>20048 550B Spare Parts Kit @ $ 15.95<O:P></O:P> OPTIONAL but nice to have some parts around to keep you loading if some minor parts breaks

<O:P></O:P>11185 550B Empty Case Bin and Bracket @ $ 22.95 <O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P>Nice to have

200xx 4-Pack Primer Pickup Tubes, Size as Specified @ $ 19.95<O:P></O:P> OPTIONAL Nice to have extras but you can always order extras down the road

<O:P></O:P>13606 Primer Flip Tray @ $ 16.95 Nice metal flip tray but there are cheaper ones around

<O:P></O:P>10330 Reloading Manual - Lyman #49 @ $ 24.95 <O:P></O:P>You need more than one manual but shop around

<O:P></O:P>15164 Dillon 40 S&W & 45 ACP Stainless Case Gage @ $ 12.95 ea. <O:P></O:P>OPTIONAL but a gage is nice to have but a barrel works too.

<O:P></O:P>14398 Dillon 40 S&W/10mm Carbide 3-Die Set @ $ 60.95<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P> Duplicated above

<O:P></O:P>20179 RL 550B Caliber Conv: 40 S&W/10mm @ $ 41.95<O:P></O:P><O:P></O:P> Make sure this isnít included in the price of the press

15166 Dillon 45 ACP Stainless Case Gage @ $ 12.95 Duplicated above

22058 Dillon Quick Change Kit @ 95.99 ( same here either this powder tool ) Nice to have everything mounted on a tool head with a powder measure<o:p></o:p>
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Consider: Dillon installation DVD (I found it very helpful)<o:p></o:p>
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Since you reloaded before I assume you have a tumbler and scale and stuff.<o:p></o:p>
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I am considering buying a dillon 550B Right now I am only loading 2 calibers .. Who here owns this press..And what of all this extra..It came to 1032.00

Using a Lee Classic turret with 4 die carbies..I was told I need to buy the dillion dies or I won't get good accuracy
God what BS! I load on two 550B. If you have dies, all you need is:
1 add'l. caliber conversion for the caliber you want (comes w/ one)
1 add'l. tool head & powder thru die (makes changing easier
scale, calipers, primer flip tray, manual, that's it.
You can get a inexpensive tumbler form Midway. You can buy extra primer tubes, flipper tray, etc. later. You do NOT NEED, strong mount, handle, bullet tray, case feeder, blah, blah. You can always add it later but not needed to get going. So for $600 you are high speed reloading on quality equip.
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Did you call dillon direct ????? Who did you call ???
Call dillon and run this by them ....
The press with converisons and an extra tool head and 8 1 inch die nuts and wrench and a powder die is all you need to get started ...Lee's 4 die sets are almost as good as dillon's ..this is where I shop
http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/retail_store.html
http://www.eguns.com/
http://www.brianenos.com/store/dillon.html
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Old 03-18-2009, 17:48   #13
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Using a Lee Classic turret with 4 die carbies..I was told I need to buy the dillion dies or I won't get good accuracy
Lies, LIES.

Strong Mount - 550/650 @ $ 45.95
Depends on bench height and if you are sitting or standing. Sitting NO.
Roller Handle - Aluminum - 550/650 @ $ 40.95
Nope, it's nicer but NO.
Dillon 3-Die Set, Caliber as Specified @ $ 60.95
Lee are just as good and 1/2 the price. Dillon have nice features but NO.
Bullet Tray - 550/650/SqDeal @ $ 37.95
NO
Decapping Pins 10-Pack: Dillon Pistol Dies Only @ $ 4.95
NO
550 Toolholder w/o Casefeeder - w/Wrenches @ $ 25.95
Wrench's are very nice to have.
550B Spare Parts Kit @ $ 15.95
Nice to have I waited a year to get mine.
550B Empty Case Bin and Bracket @ $ 22.95
NO
4-Pack Primer Pickup Tubes, Size as Specified @ $ 19.95<
NO. I stopped loading mine in advance. I like the break in routine it gives not having them pre loaded.
Primer Flip Tray @ $ 16.95
YES
Reloading Manual - Lyman #49 @ $ 24.95
YES, if you don't have a good manual.
Dillon 40 S&W & 45 ACP Stainless Case Gage @ $ 12.95 ea.
NO, but man they are nice and I do use mine all the time.
Dillon 40 S&W/10mm Carbide 3-Die Set @ $ 60.95
Get the LEE to save money, Dillon if you want nice feature. Both work but Lee might actually be better for Glock .40 brass.
RL 550B Caliber Conv: 40 S&W/10mm @ $ 41.95
YES
Dillon 45 ACP Stainless Case Gage @ $ 12.95
Same as last time
Dillon Quick Change Kit @ 95.99
NO, NO, NO. Just make sure you have a toolhead for each dieset. Switching the powder measure over is no big deal.
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God what BS! I load on two 550B. If you have dies, all you need is:
1 add'l. caliber conversion for the caliber you want (comes w/ one)
1 add'l. tool head & powder thru die (makes changing easier
scale, calipers, primer flip tray, manual, that's it.
You can get a inexpensive tumbler form Midway. You can buy extra primer tubes, flipper tray, etc. later. You do NOT NEED, strong mount, handle, bullet tray, case feeder, blah, blah. You can always add it later but not needed to get going. So for $600 you are high speed reloading on quality equip.

Agreed. Completely.

Lyman Turbo Tumbler is around $50 or so, now. Mine is over 25 years old and going strong!
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Caliber conversion kit is the same as the 40 and 10mm, since the case diameter is the same (40=short 10mm). Same with the dies. Get the 10mm dies and you can load .40 with them. You have to adjust your depth a bit but that is no biggie.

The bullet tray and cartridge bin are nice but not needed right away. The quick change kit is useless and is not needed, especially for a 40/10mm swap. Use the same powder measure and toolhead and dies. Just dump out the powder before loading the other caliber unless you are using the same powder for both. Then just adjust for your drop and load up.

Get the press, set of dies (sizer, seater, crimp), the caliber conversion kit comes with the press (order the press for 40/10mm). Then get your manual or two.

I wouldn't order from the place that gave you the quote. There's about $482 worth of stuff you either don't need right off the bat or that they are selling you duplicates of (dies, conversion kit, quick change kit).

The only stuff that might make for a better experience is the strong mount, bullet and cartridge trays, and the roller handle. That's how I have mine set up and I load commercially on my Dillon 550.
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First, the OP mentions 3 different calibers: 40 S&W, 45 acp, and 10mm. I would assume that he's going to be taper-crimping the 40's and 10's, right? (Hard to do properly with only a set of 10mm dies!)

I think too much has been said about the salesman, 'taking this guy for a ride'. I'll just bet that before he's pulled the handle on that new press 1,000 times, the OP will be ready to upgrade to everything (or almost everything) the salesman originally told him. In my opinion nothing is as uncomfortable to use as a modestly equipped loading press; and, he's still going to need a powder scale.

One other thing: What's more annoying than having to take your pistol apart and disable it in order to use the barrel as a case gauge? At home my pistol is always loaded and ready-to-go. Dillon, also, makes the best case gauges I've ever used - better than Wilson.

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I'm a little late to this thread and the other posters have already made it pretty clear that the salesperson exaggerated greatly on this list of "required" items.

To respond to the OP's question regarding Lee dies in the Dillon press: The Lees will work fine, and produce the same ammo as Dillon dies; however, Dillon dies are radiused a bit wider than most at the mouth of the die to allow easier use on a progressive press. Your turret only slides one round into one die at a time, so a little misalignment is easily corrected as the round starts in. On a progressive press four rounds slide into four dies at one time. Familiar with the engineering concept of tolerance stacking? One round is off a little this way, another that way, another a third way, and your press suddenly won't go until you manually free up the rounds.

Not a deal-killer by any means, and you'll find many who use other dies on a Dillon. But I use Dillon dies on my Dillon 550B for this reason.
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Just make sure your shell plate is tightened down so the cases dont wabble around and those lee dies will work like a charm. I know mine do
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I'm a little late to this thread and the other posters have already made it pretty clear that the salesperson exaggerated greatly on this list of "required" items.

To respond to the OP's question regarding Lee dies in the Dillon press: The Lees will work fine, and produce the same ammo as Dillon dies; however, Dillon dies are radiused a bit wider than most at the mouth of the die to allow easier use on a progressive press. Your turret only slides one round into one die at a time, so a little misalignment is easily corrected as the round starts in. On a progressive press four rounds slide into four dies at one time. Familiar with the engineering concept of tolerance stacking? One round is off a little this way, another that way, another a third way, and your press suddenly won't go until you manually free up the rounds.

Not a deal-killer by any means, and you'll find many who use other dies on a Dillon. But I use Dillon dies on my Dillon 550B for this reason.
Not really a valid point. I've used Dillon & RCBS dies w/ equal success. Others have used Hornady, Lee, Reddig, they all work if setup properly. The tolerances w/ most presses will not prevent swapping dies.
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I think folks have covered things nicely for you. I've still got the ball handle on my 550 and it works just fine. Likewise don't have the strong mount and been using my 550b for a LONG time. Extra powder measures are nice, but hardly necessary. I use a high capacity cat feeder for my case bin, keeps the cases convienant and only a few are in the bowl at any time. Bullet tray? I just set the bullets in their box right beside the press and it works fine for me.

Lee dies work just great. If your press is off enough for tolerance stacking to bite you, it's time for the press to go back to Dillon.

I'd maybe cull that list down based on the advice you've gotten and call someone else.

550B is a fine choice, I've loaded a LOT of ammo on mine.
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