GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-16-2010, 18:51   #1
Eric2340
Infidel :)
 
Eric2340's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southern NY/Northern Cuba (S. FL :)
Posts: 1,797
Blog Entries: 4
Best value piston driven AR?

Who's got the best value in a GOOD, HIGH QUALITY piston driven AR out there currently?

I had a regular gas injection Bushmaster years ago, but got rid of it, the piston driven guns started coming out not long after that. :( I looked at their gun, $1500 and up is a bit more than I want to spend. :(

I see Ruger is asking $2K for theirs - no thanks. :(


Other suggestions?


I have a Kel Tec SU16 that's piston op, but I really kind of worry if it's as tough as a piston AR or even a Mini 14?


Thanks -

Eric
__________________
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at you side, kid"
Eric2340 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2010, 19:12   #2
furioso2112
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,609
I don't know enough about them to say if they are worth it, but Bushmaster makes a $400-ish piston system that can be used in place of the gas system on a typical AR. Build an with the system, and you can likely keep your cost under $1000 (parts build an economical AR minus the cost of the parts you don't need (as they are replaced by the piston system - like the gas tube/gas block, etc.), plus the cost of the piston conversion system). Midway had a sale price of $399 IIRC on the Bushy gas conversion system a couple days ago, probably still in effect. I don't know if that is a competitive price on the system or not, but it is a reference point.

I bought a Sig556 (it's piston-driven action) and soon after bought an AR as I wanted the parts interchangeability and options that the AR platform offers. I considered selling the Sig, but then I cleaned it and remembered how easy it is to clean, what a nice quality the components are, and how low the market is right now...so I have decided to keep it.

BTW - nice avatar!
__________________
Madness is like gravity; all it needs is a little push.
(The Joker)
furioso2112 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2010, 19:19   #3
Eric2340
Infidel :)
 
Eric2340's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southern NY/Northern Cuba (S. FL :)
Posts: 1,797
Blog Entries: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by furioso2112 View Post
I don't know enough about them to say if they are worth it, but Bushmaster makes a $400-ish piston system that can be used in place of the gas system on a typical AR. Build an with the system, and you can likely keep your cost under $1000 (parts build an economical AR minus the cost of the parts you don't need (as they are replaced by the piston system - like the gas tube/gas block, etc.), plus the cost of the piston conversion system). Midway had a sale price of $399 IIRC on the Bushy gas conversion system a couple days ago, probably still in effect. I don't know if that is a competitive price on the system or not, but it is a reference point.

I bought a Sig556 (it's piston-driven action) and soon after bought an AR as I wanted the parts interchangeability and options that the AR platform offers. I considered selling the Sig, but then I cleaned it and remembered how easy it is to clean, what a nice quality the components are, and how low the market is right now...so I have decided to keep it.

BTW - nice avatar!

I considered that (just buying a Bushy piston upper and building a gun) but I figured by the time I got done doing that and getting it tricked out the way I wanted it after starting from scratch (w/ all Bushy parts mind you) I would not be that far off from the price of their gun (turn key version).

I wish now I had just kept my old 16 Bushy AK carbine :(, all I would have needed would have been a complete piston upper, an M4 style stock, and some sights. :( Oh well.


Thanks on the avatar. Not too many people can name him.
__________________
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at you side, kid"
Eric2340 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2010, 19:47   #4
hardeyes
Senior Member
 
hardeyes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: CALI
Posts: 2,078
Hello;

Look into the LMT MRP.

hardeyes
hardeyes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2010, 20:51   #5
Flinter
Hornady Fan
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Home, Sweet Home
Posts: 587
Why Bushmaster? Why not try a quality AR from one of the better makers before worrying about the pistol system. LMT, BCM, LaRue, etc.
__________________
RIA 1911A1, G19, P22 3.4 & 5"
Remington 870 Wingmaster Police, Remington 700 SP .308, 3 awesome ARs in the build phase
Flinter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2010, 23:31   #6
johnny00
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,007
Another vote for the LMT Piston MRP....
johnny00 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2010, 23:37   #7
up1911fan
Senior Member
 
up1911fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Upper Michigan
Posts: 4,521
I've seen the Rugers for around $1425, a little heavy though.
up1911fan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 00:01   #8
highprimer
Senior Member
 
highprimer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: DFW TX
Posts: 178
Everyone I have known to bought one of the CMMG piston rifles/uppers is very happy with them, and complete rifles come in at just 1k.

I've only gotten to paw one, and never fired one but they seem to be built very well.
highprimer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 01:19   #9
Eric2340
Infidel :)
 
Eric2340's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southern NY/Northern Cuba (S. FL :)
Posts: 1,797
Blog Entries: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flinter View Post
Why Bushmaster? Why not try a quality AR from one of the better makers before worrying about the pistol system. LMT, BCM, LaRue, etc.

Thank you, but no thank you.

Sorry, I am of the "piston driven upper AR" crowd and do not wish to debate the pros and cons of the two designs in this thread. I am only looking for info on piston driven guns here, but thank you again for your info.


I had no issues w/ the quality of the Bushy traditional gas injected gun I had, I merely rushed into the purchase uninformed around '99, got a gun w/ a less than 16" barrel I was not happy w/, an AK brake that was REALLY loud, got stuck then w/ a traditional A2 stock I did not want, and a non-flat top upper I did not want either.

All my fault, all made in one of those "gotta have one" decision purchases.

I would have dumped the gun regardless b/c the price of correcting everything I did not like about the gun was pretty close to the price of correcting it w/ another traditional gas injected gun when I sold it in '06 or so. :(

Thanks again though.
__________________
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at you side, kid"
Eric2340 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 01:24   #10
Eric2340
Infidel :)
 
Eric2340's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southern NY/Northern Cuba (S. FL :)
Posts: 1,797
Blog Entries: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by up1911fan View Post
I've seen the Rugers for around $1425, a little heavy though.
HHmmmmm................

I'm still not a Ruger fan either way, but even at that price I'd still be more tempted to lean towards a Mini 14 if it were not for the expense of mags and the fact that it will not accept the seven 30 round AR mags I already have for the KT SU16. :(

I know I need to get over my hard on for Ruger products, but I guess I just still have a problem w/ that ever time I look at all the pre-ban G22 mags I bought before the sunset, but that is for another thread altogether............ :(
__________________
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at you side, kid"
Eric2340 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 01:36   #11
Eric2340
Infidel :)
 
Eric2340's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Southern NY/Northern Cuba (S. FL :)
Posts: 1,797
Blog Entries: 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by johnny00 View Post
Another vote for the LMT Piston MRP....

Yow, a lot more than what I wanted to spend, and I thought the Bushy guns were high. :(


Maybe I am being un-realistic about this, in looking to do this for less than $1200 or so for a complete gun? :(


At that kind of $$ I'd rather do one of a couple things to see if they work -

1. Torture test my KT SU16 to see how far it can be pushed and buy a second one then if it makes it (hey I'm not going to fight a war w/ the thing, I've got AKs and an M1A for that past what I am comfortable with.

2. Dump the KT and AR mags and go get a couple of Mini 14s and a whole bunch of mags.

3. Sell my KT and my 870 and go buy a nice 1187P and the softest shooting loads it will still function with.


Part of this plan is something to supplement my HD gun for in a long gun that I KNOW my old lady can shoot also if I am not here besides my 870 (which is too much for her and too much to reload quickly and easily under stress), and won't tear though the outer CBS of the house like one of the AKs will. A pistol caliber carbine scares me for zipping through 4" sheet rock too much too. :( That leaves low recoil to smaller sized buckshot, a 12 ga or smaller SG, or a mag fed .223 gun. I figuring the easiest thing for her is a mag fed .223 gun and a bunch of spare mags?

Thanks -
__________________
"Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at you side, kid"
Eric2340 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 02:54   #12
12131
CLM Number 101
Monkeyboy
 
12131's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: God's Country (Texas)
Posts: 11,021
Quote:
Maybe I am being un-realistic about this, in looking to do this for less than $1200 or so for a complete gun? :(
Then maybe you want to check out CMMG piston AR. I'm not making recommendation. Just letting you know, based on your price limit.
__________________
NRA Lifer, GOA Lifer, SAF Lifer
Commie libs, criminals, and sheeple love gun control. It's easier to blame inanimate objects than the killers themselves.
Andrew Cuomo & Michael Bloomberg = Friends of criminals

Politicians and judges who voted for, and supported, Obamacare are traitors to the country!
Con, the first 3 letters in Congress.
UN, the first 2 letters in UNnecessary.
12131 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 06:12   #13
nipperwolf
Senior Member
 
nipperwolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: IN
Posts: 8,970
There are STAG Arms piston models on Gunbroker for under $1100. I have no experience with them, though.
__________________
'Assault is a behavior, not a device'

Quote:
We've gone from Socrates, to Snooki.
Ducky, NCIS
nipperwolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 09:39   #14
phxfa
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 311
Love my LMT,,better then my LWRC
phxfa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 09:42   #15
internal
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 742
I know I'm probably a bit off base in your request but the extra money that a piston driven AR brings could pay for all the legalities for owning an SBR (assuming you live in a SBR friendly state).

Seriously, you could have a badass 10.5-11.5" DI AR15 for the price of a standard 16" retrofitted piston system in an AR.
internal is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 09:51   #16
Quiet
Casino Goon
 
Quiet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: bouncing between the 909 & the 702
Posts: 2,342
You'll be very hard pressed to find a high quality gas-piston AR for under $1500.


ADDAX, LMT, LWRC and Barrett make great high quality gas-piston ARs.
However, their gas-piston AR uppers start in the $1300 range and complete ARs are in the $2000+ range.
__________________
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).
Quiet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 10:10   #17
pleaforwar
Senior Member
 
pleaforwar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Where the Snowbirds flock...
Posts: 803
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet View Post
You'll be very hard pressed to find a high quality gas-piston AR for under $1500.


ADDAX, LMT, LWRC and Barrett make great high quality gas-piston ARs.
However, their gas-piston AR uppers start in the $1300 range and complete ARs are in the $2000+ range.
Thank you very much for mentioning our product.

We actually have our ATAC MK-1 gas piston upper currently marked at $1175. The OP can purchase a complete lower and still be under his original <$1500 price point.


My personal ATAC MK-1:
Black Rifle Forum

And here is a link with all the information about this piston upper:
Addax ATAC MK1
__________________
*FYI- I am not a GT Sponsor. I have consulted for a company who manufacture ARs. My opinion and comments belong to myself and do not represent any other entity*



Last edited by pleaforwar; 01-17-2010 at 10:13..
pleaforwar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 10:27   #18
phxfa
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 311
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quiet View Post
You'll be very hard pressed to find a high quality gas-piston AR for under $1500.


ADDAX, LMT, LWRC and Barrett make great high quality gas-piston ARs.
However, their gas-piston AR uppers start in the $1300 range and complete ARs are in the $2000+ range.
I just bought (from G&R tactical) a 12 inch LMT piston MRP for $1580.00. prices are definitely coming down
phxfa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 10:45   #19
thisaway
Moderator
 
thisaway's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Soddy Daisy, Tenn.
Posts: 3,315
CMMG offers their complete piston AR for $999, and the upper only for $675. I intend to buy a good lower, and then get the CMMG upper for it, when my funds permit.

Stag offers their piston AR for about $1100, and the SIG 516 is supposed to be competitve to this (whenever they become available).
__________________
Wheelhouse #452, 10 Ring#5744, Mil Surp & MBR# 3006, ad nauseam

"By and large, the most successful riflemen were the over-mountain men of Tennessee." Richard B. LaCrosse, Jr., The Frontier Rifleman

"....the man with the rifle knows." USA AMU
thisaway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 11:07   #20
Quiet
Casino Goon
 
Quiet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: bouncing between the 909 & the 702
Posts: 2,342
Quote:
Originally Posted by pleaforwar View Post
We actually have our ATAC MK-1 gas piston upper currently marked at $1175. The OP can purchase a complete lower and still be under his original <$1500 price point.
This is a very good deal for a well built quality gas-piston AR upper.
(didn't know the price got lowered)
__________________
"If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun. - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).
Quiet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 17:02   #21
Glock Man_G19
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: VA
Posts: 996
Great info guys.
Glock Man_G19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 19:23   #22
madecov
book em' Danno
 
madecov's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Great State of Confusion
Posts: 3,044
I like Stag products as a general rule for a non custom build as opposed to RRA and Bushmaster.

I have not seen or handled the newest piston Stag but that's the one I would look at since they've been in business for so long and offer a decent warranty.
__________________
In god we trust.....all others are suspects.

$20.00 transfers in the Houston area.
[
madecov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 21:19   #23
jbremount
Senior Member
 
jbremount's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,529
Quote:
Originally Posted by madecov View Post
I like Stag products as a general rule for a non custom build as opposed to RRA and Bushmaster.

I have not seen or handled the newest piston Stag but that's the one I would look at since they've been in business for so long and offer a decent warranty.


IMO, reading the tea leaves/etc, there will become ever increasing choices of piston guns to choose from. FWIK, the CMMG and Stag are very similar in design and pricing. The Adams Arms conversion kits and the Sig new piston gun are also quite similar. The Adams Arms is establishing a solid track record with piston shooters. These are all short stroke systems and not a whole lot different in pricings. The Sig is not out yet, but their reputation is usually one of quality. Personally, I would continue doing research on all the brands. Keep the money under your hat/ save until you have the funds to get the piston gun you want. Look for quality and reliability. This way, you only buy once and are satisfied with your purchase.
__________________
There's gonna be a lot of slow singin'
and flower bringin'
if my burglar alarm starts ringin'
jbremount is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2010, 23:22   #24
GlockLovin
No, its a Glock
 
GlockLovin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: FTL, Florida
Posts: 331
Quote:
Originally Posted by phxfa View Post
Love my LMT,,better then my LWRC
My LWRC is pretty hard to beat so you must have a nice LMT there.
__________________
Florida Glockers #42 Big Dawg #1551 Black Rifle Club #1930
GlockLovin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2010, 01:46   #25
phxfa
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 311
Quote:
Originally Posted by GlockLovin View Post
My LWRC is pretty hard to beat so you must have a nice LMT there.
Not really, just comparing performance/reliabilty between the two guns.
My LWRC in 6.8 has had issues since new and is back at the factory, the LMT runs flawlessly. going to SHOT tomorrow havin a little chat with em,,,
phxfa is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:07.



Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 817
228 Members
589 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,244
Nov 11, 2013 at 11:42