[Syclone538]

Originally Posted by Jerry

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I can’t tell you how many times I was stopped and written bogus tickets just to justify stopping a guy riding a Chopped Harley. Started riding a dresser. Didn’t get stopped once. Bought the bike in my avatar. You guessed it, started getting stopped again. Guess I must be doing something wrong…. Like riding a motorcycle.

Damn that sucks. 99% of the time once they find out I have not been drinking they are not interested in giving me a ticket for the BS reason they said they stopped me for.

Originally Posted by deadday

Really? Then I suggest you start filing complaints with the officers Dept. Pulled you over for no reason? I take if you know your states Vehicle and Traffic code front to back? Did you know that (this number may have changed slightly since 2004) 90% of the vehicles on the road (in Texas, but I'm sure the numbers are similar in every state) at any given time can be stopped for a vehicle code violation? Yup, even brand spankin new, fresh off the dealers lot cars.

I know, I know, you want an example, right? In the State of Texas, I can stop a vehicle because the exhaust is 'loud or unusual sounding'.

Yeah really, and I don't think I'm the only one, they haven't had a levy passed in probably 5 years, and have had to let about half their people go. We can't defund the HP, but they have improved quite a bit in that same time.

When they flat out lie and said I did something that I didn't do, I consider that no reason.

[deadday]

Originally Posted by Syclone538

Damn that sucks. 99% of the time once they find out I have not been drinking they are not interested in giving me a ticket for the BS reason they said they stopped me for.




Yeah really, and I don't think I'm the only one, they haven't had a levy passed in probably 5 years, and have had to let about half their people go. We can't defund the HP, but they have improved quite a bit in that same time.

When they flat out lie and said I did something that I didn't do, I consider that no reason.

Then call their agency (or the State Police) and file a complaint. If there is NO reason for the stop and they are FALSIFYING charges, then report their asses and get them off the street. Depts. do not NEED or WANT officers like this wearing their uniforms.

But if they are stopping you for something legit (my exhaust example for instance) that you didn't know was against the law, and assumed they were making the **** up, well, only advice I can offer is buy a copy of your states Vehicle and Traffic code and read it. Ignorance of the law is not a defense in any state that I know of.

[deadday]

Originally Posted by glockeglock

Some innocent people run from the law because they have no trust in cops or our criminal justice system. For some, that comes from personal experience. For others, that comes from witnessing the experiences of others. So as much as the DPA and the .gov would like fools to believe otherwise, running from the law is not at all evidence of guilt.

No, it is not. But running from the law when the law is trying to effect a vehicle stop IS against the LAW. You don't have to trust the cops at all. Just about EVERY cop in this country has a dashcam and a mic. These are running every day all day recording everything that happens. There is NO WAY for an officer to turn off or otherwise disengage his vehicles camera or recording equipment. Those are there for your protection just as much as they are for the officer.

[Jerry]

Originally Posted by deadday

No, it is not. But running from the law when the law is trying to effect a vehicle stop IS against the LAW. You don't have to trust the cops at all. Just about EVERY cop in this country has a dashcam and a mic. These are running every day all day recording everything that happens. There is NO WAY for an officer to turn off or otherwise disengage his vehicles camera or recording equipment. Those are there for your protection just as much as they are for the officer.

There aren’t many dash cams in Louisiana. I can tell you for a fact that Kenner doesn’t have them in most of their units. I know someone that has been on the force for over five years. He just moved to traffic investigation from patrol and he just got one. Regular patrol officers don’t have them. Harahan police don’t have any. Most of Jefferson Parish and New Orleans don’t have them.

When you have been lied about in court as many time as I have you don’t trust many cops. My problem is I’m a logical man and have met enough good cops to know that all of you aren't bad. But I sure have run into some asses over the years.

deadday, thanks for the posts and for being civil. Many LEOs that show in this forum just get irate and act like asses when all we want is conversation. There have been a few really nice guys like you also but they are few and far between. Thank you!

[Gunnut 45/454]

Jerry
I have to disagree with you here! If I knew I haven't commited a crime - I would NEVER plead to a Lesser offense -I'll see them in court! If he ran from the cops he's getting what he deserves. If he didn't run then he should fight it in the courts! Plain and simple. :(

[Dondonz45]

[QUOTE=glockeglock;12607666]do we risk setting a standard by which probationees can carry guns or do we make this nice man wait another 90 days.

I agree this is a great post. Very compelling viewpoint. UNFORTUNATELY for those who feel I should have to wait, the law is already established. We arent risking the setting of any standard by which probationees can carry. The law doesnt say a probationer cant carry. The law says a felon cant, and a person who violates CCW law cant carry.

You make the point that Im not a free man. Good point! All you married guys and gals pay attention. Better yet divorced guys with children pay attention: If you're under state supervision for child support YOU ARE NOT A FREE MAN SO GIVE UP YOUR PERMITS! YOU MIGHT WANNA HURT YOUR EX! I WOULDNT WANT TO BE A GUN BOARD MEMBER WHO LETS YOU CARRY WHILE YOU'RE UNDER THE STATES SUPERVISION AND YOU MESS AROUND AND USE THAT WEAPON! FURTHER MORE YOU CANT BE THAT GREAT OF A GUY IF THE STATE HAS TO MAKE YOU GIVE UP HALF YOUR INCOME SO HOW CAN WE TRUST YOU? BULL****! Good argument but the law does not support it. The law never disqualified me and neither can the board. Period.

[Jerry]

Originally Posted by Gunnut 45/454

Jerry
I have to disagree with you here! If I knew I haven't commited a crime - I would NEVER plead to a Lesser offense -I'll see them in court! If he ran from the cops he's getting what he deserves. If he didn't run then he should fight it in the courts! Plain and simple. :(

I really shouldn’t be posting this on the web but it’s public record so what the hell. About twenty years ago I was arrested for shoplifting. Yah, yah I know, every criminal is innocent... but here’s the truth. I went into a store to pick up one item…. tube of LockTite. On the way to get it I saw some electrical tape and remembered I need that too. Got electrical tape and LockTite. Hey they have this tape measure on sale I’ll take one. Oh wait I need a box of wood screws too. Oh oh I’m out of hands. Stick card with LockTite in back pocket. Not concealed it sticking out. He you what are you doing? What do you mean. You’re stealing that LockTite. No I’m not I’ll pay for it when I get to the counter.

Cops show up and I get to take a ride. Get Lawyer go to court. In curt lawyer goes in back talks to DA, comes back with hand written not by store employee. Observes subject put merchandise in pocket yada yada yada. Is this what happened. Yes, but I wasn’t trying to steal the LockTite. I didn’t try to leave the store with it. Doesn’t matter, law says if you attempt to conceal it’s shoplifting. I didn’t try to conceal it, it was sticking out in plan sight and I didn’t try to leave the store, in fact I hadn’t even gotten to the checkout counter. Doesn’t matter! If you put it in your pocket it’s attempting to conceal. Here’s your choices. Fight it and you're going to jail. Plead guilty and pay $100.00 fine DA will shelve it and if you don’t get in any trouble for two years it goes away. Guess who copped a plea.

You can be as pure as the drive snow and look guilty as hell. When that happens you do what you need to, to keep from going to jail. Now I get a basket even if I’m only picking up a panicle.

[Dondonz45]

The word Hypocrosy is really ringing out here. As gun lovers we are the first ones to scream about our rights under the law to carry. We demand the law not violate our rights and that no one has the right to go above the law. We demand our right to carry and praise law lobiest for the laws that keep police chiefs and county boards from arbitrarily deciding who can and who cannot have a permit. Then when something happens to someone we dont know, we turn on them, throw law asside and interject our feelings as to wheather or not a permit is deserved. Are we debating what we think should happen or are we debating the definition of Michigan carry laws? If we dont stand together on THE LAW and fight for each other's rights WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE LAW then its just a matter of time before each of us fall victim under different circumstances. There are many powerful people out there fighting to take away ALL OF OUR RIGHTS TO CARRY. You think you're safe cause you never make mistakes or you've never been a victim of false police work but your time can easily come. We always see things differently and with more compassion when the shoe is on OUR foot. If I broke a law that disqualified me I wouldnt be on here talking about this. I would accept my fate. But dont tell me to ignore ANYONE who is trying to re write the law to my detriment. Don't ask me to ignore the law that says i have the right to carry. Sure I could wait 3 months. But I take this stand for me first and also for ALL gun owners. I take this stand in the context of the law. If the law supports the gun board's decision, so be it. If the law supports my stand then why wouldnt you stand with me? Not just for my sake, but for the sake of your rights. If the law is on my side and you stand for the law, let us stand together in favor of the law and send a clear message to all county boards to follow the legal guidlines set fourth by THE LAW.

[bigjohn26]

Originally Posted by quichedem

I'm sure most people here will agree with me when I tell you that you deserve what you're dealing with. Only guilty people run from the police. Just wait out the rest of your time, and get things straightened out then. In the mean time, pull over.

About two years ago my brother was riding his '04 Buell on the interstate at night. He was admittedly speeding, probably near or well over 100 mph. The local PD caught him and gave chase. He pulled over and was arrested and spent the night in jail for fleeing. I don't believe the charges stuck in the end though, think it may have been knocked down to possibly careless and imprudent. But anyway...The point is, he wasn't trying to run from the police. If you've never riden a motorcycle, then I guess I shouldn't expect you to understand what I'm about to explain to you.

Traveling 100 mph+ is very fast and very loud, on any bike. My brother didn't even realize he was being pursued by the police until the police thought that he was trying to run from them, probably a few miles. He just couldn't see nor hear them. When you're going that fast, especially at night, you're not really worried about what's behind you, but rather what's in front, like traffic, bumps in the road, animals or road kill, which could easily make for a trip to the hospital at these speeds. So what may look like a criminal trying to run from the police because he has a guilty conscience may just be your everyday joe who made a poor decision to drive his bike that fast not and not being able to realize the police are pursuing him.

So, like that one dude, with the beard and crazy followers once said, "Judge not, that ye be not judged."

[iGlockedYourMom]

Originally Posted by BlueMalibu

I just sent you a PM of a MI attorney who specializes in Michigan firearm law.

He does a free phone consult.

Give him a call.

Can you send me a PM with the lawyer's name and number too? I do not have any issues going on myself at this point, but I would like to have a lawyer who is educated and experienced with gun issues ready should I ever have a run in with the law, just or not.

[Dondonz45]

Originally Posted by bigjohn26

But anyway...The point is, he wasn't trying to run from the police.
Traveling 100 mph+ is very fast and very loud, on any bike. My brother didn't even realize he was being pursued by the police until the police thought that he was trying to run from them, probably a few miles. He just couldn't see nor hear them. When you're going that fast, especially at night, you're not really worried about what's behind you, but rather what's in front, like traffic, bumps in the road, animals or road kill, which could easily make for a trip to the hospital at these speeds. So what may look like a criminal trying to run from the police because he has a guilty conscience may just be your everyday joe who made a poor decision to drive his bike that fast not and not being able to realize the police are pursuing him.

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Somebody give this man a cigar! You hit the nail right on the head buddy! I didnt explain every detail because it wasnt the point but since the people have made it the point then the people have spoken.

My group was riding too fast that night. I admit we sport bikers sometimes ride too fast. If you ever had a bike you know how the fun can go to your head. Now if you ever rode a SPORTBIKE you know how intoxicating the fun can be. I owned a 2008 GsxR1000 and a 2008 CBR1000RR. 999cc's of raw power on two wheels. My Gixxer had a 2000 dollar custom header exaust system and an electronic power commander installed for even more power. Yes i know, overkill huh? Dont act like you were never young. Imagine pulling back the hand grip and going from 0 to 75mph in about 2.5 seconds. Wow what a rush!

I know, I know, not very responsible right? You're right. My Gixxr was built for the track but I actually punished myself for riding too fast on the streets. I sold my bikes No one forced me to, i just did it cause the temptation to blaze was so strong. It doesnt help that these bikes attract the most beautiful chicks in the world. They will do anything for a ride I really do miss them but I was too wild on them so I got rid of them.

It didnt help that I had cop friends who rode with us all the time and kept us above the law in most cases. I do plan to ride again now that I'm a little more mature and realize the dangers of riding with the crowd and at those speeds. I spend my time now writing books. I self published one and now working on part 2 of the non-fiction and also my first novel.

Anyway, yes, its true, i was speeding that night along with the rest of the group and none of us recalled seing a police car behind us. The police car that suddenly pulled behind the bike to the farthest right stopped behind him at an intersection and the rest of us simply went on through the intersection. There was no chase, no command to stop over the loud speaker, no siren, no halt. They seemed content to have the one bike pulled over. Dont know about you but Im not gonna pull to the side and approach the officer and say, "hey, I was riding fast a lil while ago too, wanna give me a nice fat ticket or take my new bike?"

The State Trooper caught up with the rest of us about an hour later while we were parked and relaxing. I was the red bike in the back of the group so the officer singled me out. Another guy was singled out from the back of the group but they took the handcuffs off and let him go because he is a Belleville Police officer.
I didnt tell all this cause I didnt want us to get sidetracked and start making judgments about wheather I deserve a permit based on the fact I was speeding. I chose to sell my bikes. I could go out today and buy a motorcycle but i choose rather to work on my books and establish assets that grow in value and cut down on depreciating liabilities.

Thats another reason I took the plea instead of fighting in court. Cause i knew i was speeding, not just that day but many times. I felt a sense of guilt for all the times i got away with speeding. Not to mention they didnt give me time to think much. Anyway, right or wrong thats what i did. Now my clean record is stained and I got probation for 3 more months. I sold my bikes and have to listen to the sweet music of cycles thundering down the street without enjoying the breeze that once danced and tickled across my peanut shaped head.

I wanted to talk about the law surrounding CCW ans stay focused on that. But now you know the case so fire away. I throw myself before the mercy of the people's opinions

[Dondonz45]

One more thing. If the officer had a case then why did they make up a completely fabricated police report to read to the judge after i plead no contest? The police report read that they pulled behind "me" on the freeway and hit the sirens and lights and I sped up leading the police on a chase! Never Happened! The only time the cop saw me was at the intersection before the group proceeded through.

Give you an idea what these bikes can do: One time a car pulled right up to my back wheel on I-75 at around 11 at night. I was pissed because they could've killed me. I down shifted from 6 to 3rd gear and pulled the throtle back; my bike left that car about a quarter mile in the rear in a matter of seconds. I slowed down to normal speed again and the car caught up to me and hit their light, yes it was an unmarked police car. Yes I pulled over.

I know how to ride these bikes and if I was trying to outrun a cop on the freeway they would be amazed watching as my knee would be an inch from the ground taking freeway curves at nearly 200mph vanishing into the night.

[Gunnut 45/454]

Jerry
Or you could have said no I'll go to trail and explain myself to a jury and except what they say! Which is exactly what I would have done in that situation! I'd put money on a dismissal or a not guilty! I put more stock in 12 everyday folks then a DA anyday my friend! P.S all offense ment to lawyers!!

[Redondo]

Originally Posted by Syclone538

I've probably been pulled over 20 or 30 times when I had done nothing wrong, then the cop would lie about the reason, just so they could ask if I'd been drinking that night.

Yep, I've had it happen 4 or 5 times. Usually it's a fishing expedition to see if someones drinking. Examples: I had a "logoed" company pickup at a bar after we had been rained out. I was shooting pool, drinking soda. When I left, a Los Angeles deputy pulled me over. Said I had obstructed traffic when I pulled out of the parking lot. Put me through the tests, and let me go. There wasn't a car on the side street when I pulled out. Not one. I've been pulled over for "mis-aligned" headlights, that weren't! Once stopped because, he said, my vehicle appeared to be similar to one at a recent robbery. Using a cell phone, that I didn't have with me. Speeding when I had my cruise set right at the limit(When I asked to see the radar, he told me he had been "shadowing" me and didn't have it). Just gave me a verbal warning. I even had a Los Alamos, NM deputy, on a bicycle, stop me while walking across a parking lot. He was doing a drunk in public check because I left a bar after a Super Bowl. I hadn't had a drink because I had to work later that night(It's not a good thing for the Safety Supervisor to have alcohol breath). People FREQUENTLY are stopped when they aren't doing anything! Running is a bad thing though! Worst I ever did was tell the bicycle cop "I didn't think we had border crossing checks in America" after he asked where I was heading. Pissed him off, but oh well.

[Redondo]

If you didn't do anything that is a disqualifier, you shouldn't be disqualified. Period! Under those circumstances, I don't blame you for being upset, and fighting this.

[Jerry]

Originally Posted by Gunnut 45/454

Jerry
Or you could have said no I'll go to trail and explain myself to a jury and except what they say! Which is exactly what I would have done in that situation! I'd put money on a dismissal or a not guilty! I put more stock in 12 everyday folks then a DA anyday my friend! P.S all offense ment to lawyers!!

Right! After “my lawyer” telling me I would go to jail if I fought it I should have “ignored” his advice and fought it. Sure, I mean I knew the laws and court system soooooooo much better than the man I hired because of his knowledge and experience. I suppose I wouldn’t be hearing how much of a FOOL I was for ignorer my lawyer if I had fought it and had to serve jail time and lost my job and home. No thank you, it worked out much better this way.

The moral high ground is easy to talk about when you’re not the one’s whose job, home and family is on the line. The $100.00 is cheaper than any traffic ticket I’ve had to pay and even if I had beat the charge the arrest record wouldn’t have gone away. What did I have to gain by fighting? Basically I would have save $100.00. What did I have to gain by pleading and paying? No jail time and an expungment after two years. That beats the hell out of rolling the dice and loosing don’t you think?

[Dondonz45]

Hello friends. I want to talk to you about something of grave importance to all of us and our families. There is a lot of talk surrounding the FEMA camps that have been built in secret right here in America. Check it out on youtube. There is a lot of talk about plans of an intentional bankrupting of America which would cause mass panic and the need for martial law in America.

There is even a lot of legislation going through congress surrounding these things. I hope to God the things Im hearing and seeing are not what they appear. If there is any truth in it we MUST ALL PAY ATTENTION. First Read the blog here on Iseecolor called "9.1.1, counrty down." I pray it is just conspiracy theory, i really do. Contact everyone you know in the military and police departmenst and simply ask them to look into these things on the net, if they be lagitimate or not. Ask them to be watchful and to never allow themselves to be turned loose on the American people.

[Dondonz45]

Had a chance to sit down and get online today. I decided to look up some post and was surprised to find complete strangers (people Ive never met) saying the worse possible things they could say about me based on the post they read. Let me start by saying I do regret some things I posted. Like most ordinary people i sometimes posted out of anger after certain things took place.

As far as my post about the state and the police and all that, i was upset because i plead to a crime I didn't commit because the court appointed lawyer assured me it would be worse if i didn't. What angered me the most is that I was told I would only get a fine and 6 months probation for the plea then 6 months later i find out about the other punishments.

I wont bother to go into the details again as i have learned that people make up their own minds anyway even though they were not there. That's why there are people on death row who are just now being set free after DNA evidence. People hear just a little and their mindsets take over and they judge and condemn, forgetting all about themselves and their own ways.

Anyway, I said some things out of anger and that's that. I have many friends in law enforcement on the local, state and federal level. I have many years of carrying responsibly, my driving record has never been in question, I have always enjoyed great insurance rates and my record (OVER ALL) speaks for itself. I read these post and see Ive been convicted and crucified by several "nice guys" on this site who have me pegged as some kind of nut job.

One genius even said i lost my job. The job I "lost" offered me over one hundred grand for an early leave package and I accepted it genius. Get your facts right.

I wonder how these guys private lives would hold up to the magnifying glass. I wonder if others held your feet to the fire would you come out as clean as I would. In the line of work i do I put my life on the line everyday at work to protect lives and property and have helped to bring REAL criminals to justice. Say what you will but you know nothing about me other than the conclusions you drew from a couple of post I wrote on a bad day. Have you ever spoken out of anger or ignorance? Bet you have.

I do thank you though for teaching me not to put my business on a site, especially sites where these kinds of people spend hours out of their personal time to attack and slander a complete stranger. Get a life fellas, then mine wont be so important to you.

[Straight Pipe]

Originally Posted by Syclone538

I've probably been pulled over 20 or 30 times when I had done nothing wrong, then the cop would lie about the reason, just so they could ask if I'd been drinking that night.

You're joking me good, right? I mean, for sure? Really? "20 or 30 times"? Was that all in one night? And you never, ever, did anything wrong? Not one itsy bitsy, teeny weeny bit? And then the mean'ol cop lied. WOW!!!

"Hey, Andy. Let's pull that *******er over!"
"OK, Barn." bwwttt

Hey, Barny. That was fun. Let's do it again!" bwwtt

[Dondonz45]

As time has moved on so have i. My anger didnt come from being caught doing wrong. My anger came from the fact that for one, I allowed myself to be in this possition riding with people I knew were not known for their responsible riding. For two, if I had done what i was accused of then no one would have had to lie. It would have been on camera and open shut case.

But what angered me is that everyone from the court apointed lawyer to the State trooper and prosecuter lied to the judge about the case, wrote up and read a false report to the judge and urged me to agree with it all to avoid being charged with fellony firearm charges on top of the false fleeing charge.

The more i asked for a trial the more i was threatened with more charges. Anyway, im back on track and doing well and smarter for it. God bless the many men and women who with integrity, do their jobs in law enforcement and government. God help us with the ones who dont.

[deadday]

Originally Posted by Dondonz45

Had a chance to sit down and get online today. I decided to look up some post and was surprised to find complete strangers (people Ive never met) saying the worse possible things they could say about me based on the post they read. Let me start by saying I do regret some things I posted. Like most ordinary people i sometimes posted out of anger after certain things took place.

As far as my post about the state and the police and all that, i was upset because i plead to a crime I didn't commit because the court appointed lawyer assured me it would be worse if i didn't. What angered me the most is that I was told I would only get a fine and 6 months probation for the plea then 6 months later i find out about the other punishments.

I wont bother to go into the details again as i have learned that people make up their own minds anyway even though they were not there. That's why there are people on death row who are just now being set free after DNA evidence. People hear just a little and their mindsets take over and they judge and condemn, forgetting all about themselves and their own ways.

Anyway, I said some things out of anger and that's that. I have many friends in law enforcement on the local, state and federal level. I have many years of carrying responsibly, my driving record has never been in question, I have always enjoyed great insurance rates and my record (OVER ALL) speaks for itself. I read these post and see Ive been convicted and crucified by several "nice guys" on this site who have me pegged as some kind of nut job.

One genius even said i lost my job. The job I "lost" offered me over one hundred grand for an early leave package and I accepted it genius. Get your facts right.

I wonder how these guys private lives would hold up to the magnifying glass. I wonder if others held your feet to the fire would you come out as clean as I would. In the line of work i do I put my life on the line everyday at work to protect lives and property and have helped to bring REAL criminals to justice. Say what you will but you know nothing about me other than the conclusions you drew from a couple of post I wrote on a bad day. Have you ever spoken out of anger or ignorance? Bet you have.

I do thank you though for teaching me not to put my business on a site, especially sites where these kinds of people spend hours out of their personal time to attack and slander a complete stranger. Get a life fellas, then mine wont be so important to you.

Holy thread revival Batman! I don't want to go back and read all of this, but I don't think I attacked you in the thread....I often post things while angry or frustrated and tend look like an ******* when I do....it's the internet+type A personality+boredom...

Glad to hear that you are back up on your feet and moving along...what was the end result as far as your pistol license if you don't mind me asking?

[Dalton Wayne]

Originally Posted by quichedem

I'm sure most people here will agree with me when I tell you that you deserve what you're dealing with. Only guilty people run from the police. Just wait out the rest of your time, and get things straightened out then. In the mean time, pull over.

+ one million

[Dondonz45]

Originally Posted by Dalton Wayne

+ one million

I see your brain pulled over long before your fingers started typing.

[glock_40_calibe]

Originally Posted by Dondonz45

In the line of work i do I put my life on the line everyday at work to protect lives and property and have helped to bring REAL criminals to justice.

So, I take it that you are not a cop, but instead, go after the REAL bad guys? You ask a question on a forum like this, don't like the responses, and get upset? Really? Regardless if you committed a crime or not, you pled guilty to one, that is the bottom line. What does your Probation Officer think of you carrying a firearm? Perhaps you should have them write a letter to the gun board, since you are actually innocent. Otherwise, spend your money, get an attorney, and get told the same thing by a judge: you pled it, you bought it. Next case.

[NEOH212]

Plain and simple. If you run from the Police, you get what you deserve. Pull over next time. Pay the ticket, if you even get one and you won't be in this mess. Don't let the fast motorcycle go to your head. It may get you killed. Wait out your probation and go from there. Chock this up to experience, don't do it again and good luck.