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Old 03-27-2010, 13:43   #1
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What happens when the hand-outs stop?

Obama has been doing a cracker-jack job of giving out at much money to the lower socio-economic classes as possible. This is most likely to secure his re-election. I'm curious what happens when it's no longer possible to give those people as much or any "free" money? They don't seem to do so well once you take away their gubmint cheese.

I'm thinking something has to be done whether for the better or worse of those people but what's the next logical (I really hesitate to use that word with this administration!) step after the middle class is eliminated or severely downsized?

Did anyone else hear the clip played on one of the news shows about "Obama money"? This woman, of a certain lower socio-economic standpoint, is talking to a reporter about the "Obama money" she's getting. She's hootin and hollarin and celebrating about the free money. When asked where that money comes from she says "Obama...it's Obama money". When asked we Obama got the money from the woman goes "pshhh...his stash!".


So we go deeper into debt as if the national debt doesn't really exist? Do we just tell the bottom-feeders to go pound sand and get a job? Is there some other option I'm not thinking of?

Why is this in the survival forum? Well I'm going to throw a shot in the dark here and say that once anything extreme happens that has the potential to piss off a few million ghetto dwellers, things might get less than civil for the rest of society in an effort to exact some measure of revenge or equalize themselves with those more fortunate/hard working.

Please share your thoughts.

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Old 03-27-2010, 14:00   #2
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Well, a few things to consider:

#1 Capitalism will self destruct. There are NO well balanced economic systems. These things emerged/developed. They were not designed/made. The reality of the universe is this. Poverty breeds poverty, and excess breeds excess. The rich WILL continue to accumulate wealth, and more and more will have less and less. Nature of the beast. It's not republican/democrat - it's human, it's greed.

#2 The level of lifestyle that the large middle class in this country enjoys is fundamentally unsustainable. We did that to ourselves. You can see the growth of imaginary economic prosperity throughout the 60's, right through the 70's, up to today. That will collapse and be eaten away. You'll go either up to the rich end, or down to the poor end. How rich are you REALLY? What skill and value do you have REALLY. every person over-estimates themselves to amazing degree's IMO.

#3 EVERY society has eventually came to a point where poor masses have ravaged a rich minority (a couple of exceptions - but very different cultures. And they are on their way there.

I always find it funny though - as a "middle class struggling person" you are probably wealthier than 90% of the worlds population. The poor in this country have no idea how poor they are not.

I think it's sad that we have some of the problems we do. There is no reason that a large number of basic health services aren't provided gratis just for being a tax paying citizen. Incredibly brilliant children who want to do good things for society and mankind can't afford an education, while rich dooshes go to harvard with one intention: Getting richer. And they already grew up with way more than any 10 people could want. I think that it is unbelievably tragic that children go without food and clothes in this country. But they do. There are a lot of ways to solve those issues. And you can do it without becoming a "welfare" state, or encouraging people to do nothing.

But the people that make those decisions are wealthy, and their number one goal is to stay that way, and they are paid to make laws that keep money for even wealthier people. You think a CEO of a mega corporation works any harder than anyone else? Nope. But he's going to make sure he keeps ALL of his money - and get as much of yours as possible.

We made wealth and material things the most important thing on the planet - now sit back and enjoy. we have lost touch with the difference between success and excess - and it's going to bite us.

And I don't know you EMT - but like I said; You are worried about the poor masses coming for you? You need to worry about the wealthy and powerful who exist to make YOU part of the poor masses.
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Old 03-27-2010, 21:28   #3
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The problem is that the poor masses (actually I'll say the LAZY masses because it's ok to be poor)...while the wealthy/powerful will use a pen, the lazy masses will be the ones with guns and violent tendencies.

Thanks for the thoughts though. Lots of good stuff there!

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What will happen when the handouts stop?

Remember those old Dennis Hopper/football commercials for shoes?

"Bad things, man... Bad things..."

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Old 03-27-2010, 22:34   #5
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What will happen when the handouts stop?

Remember those old Dennis Hopper/football commercials for shoes?

"Bad things, man... Bad things..."

Might have been before my time.

Refresh me if you'd be so kind.

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Old 03-27-2010, 22:37   #6
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Best you can do is prepare your loved ones for it, because it is coming IMO. I think it will be in my lifetime (I'm 39), but if not, I'll continue to prepare for my son & his unborn sibling due in Oct.

Firearms & Ammo, Food, Water, Medicine & Medical supplies is what I'm focusing on.
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What will happen? Remember the LA riots? Now imagine that on a nationwide scale, it'd be why we prep. Every urabn area in the country would burn, which isn't really a bad thing...
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Might have been before my time.

Refresh me if you'd be so kind.

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Hopper was in Blue-Velvet mode, and he would dress like a referee and sniff the shoe of Lawrence Taylor or some other player, and start extolling the virtues of their game while video highlights played... it was just a silly ad campaign from 20 years ago. But it always ended with Hopper having a very disturbed look on his face, and muttering "Bad things, man... Bad things..." (as in, what would happen in LT caught us sniffing his shoe? Bad things... What happens when LT catches the quarterback? Bad things...)
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Riots and french revolution style violence will happen.

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Might have been before my time.

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It was from the Bruce Smith (Buffalo Bills) shoe commercials.
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LA riots x 100000.'08.
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Well, a few things to consider:

#1 Capitalism will self destruct. There are NO well balanced economic systems. These things emerged/developed. They were not designed/made. The reality of the universe is this. Poverty breeds poverty, and excess breeds excess. The rich WILL continue to accumulate wealth, and more and more will have less and less. Nature of the beast. It's not republican/democrat - it's human, it's greed.

Please, just turn your computer off and walk away. Just please.
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I don't believe they'll stop. Limited (ie freeze) , purchasing power diminished by inflation/devalueing, cash awards changed to housing subsidies/food stamps, LOTS of whittling away at the edges, but net effect won't be to lower welfare cost, it'll just lower the rate of increase. Even a real level budget for welfare won't happen, it'll be indexed to inflation, so it'll still grow. Just slower.

Don't expect any more than that unless the white house AND congress is onboard. And even then you'ld want very good employment numbers to pull it off.

You're not going to change an entitlement society in one election.
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Did anyone else hear the clip played on one of the news shows about "Obama money"? This woman, of a certain lower socio-economic standpoint, is talking to a reporter about the "Obama money" she's getting. She's hootin and hollarin and celebrating about the free money. When asked where that money comes from she says "Obama...it's Obama money". When asked we Obama got the money from the woman goes "pshhh...his stash!".
I also saw that. It's hard to imagine someone being that dumb, but it seems to be the norm now.

When the handouts stop, crime will skyrocket. When the thugs stop receiving handouts, they will feel even more entitled to increase their criminal activity. They have been conditioned to not work, and live a lifestyle that glamorizes criminal activity. This will be the only excuse they need.
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Exactly, what the government doesn't give them, the recipient class will just take, by force if necessary. We've all seen this in the LA Riots, Katrina, and pretty much any time a NBA team wins something. The indigent just use any excuse to go loot and get what they think they deserve. Get it while the gettin's good, as they say.

What can we do? Take a lesson from the Korean grocers who stood on top of their stores with lots of guns and defend what's yours. Those who did, protected their livelihood. Those who didn't, saw their life's work burned down and looted.

Your choice on what you want to do. I know I am protecting what's mine. Got a few thousand rounds of high velocity lead projectiles to back it up too.
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Exactly, what the government doesn't give them, the recipient class will just take, by force if necessary. We've all seen this in the LA Riots, Katrina, and pretty much any time a NBA team wins something. The indigent just use any excuse to go loot and get what they think they deserve. Get it while the gettin's good, as they say.

What can we do? Take a lesson from the Korean grocers who stood on top of their stores with lots of guns and defend what's yours. Those who did, protected their livelihood. Those who didn't, saw their life's work burned down and looted.

Your choice on what you want to do. I know I am protecting what's mine. Got a few thousand rounds of high velocity lead projectiles to back it up too.

Don't be around when the she t goes down.'08.
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Don't be around? If I can help it, I won't be, but if they bring the fight to you and your house and try to harm your family, then there is no choice and no question that there will be quite a few people who are sorry they tried.
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Which is why it won't happen. The entitlement society is cheaper than riots, cheaper than prisons, cheaper than education. Welfare is the smallest payoff you can make, on a one time cash basis. It's the most expensive system in the long run, but each MONTH, it's cheaper to pay 'em than anything else. And when the money paid to them is for the most part recouped immediately in food and housing, what part is really 'spent' by the government? They get taxes on that food and housing, so there's one discount.. and the money goes right out into the community immediately, so there's a trickle down effect as far as social stabilization, those checks support businesses from electronics shops to Nike. It goes farther than you see, and is a bigger fraction of the economy than shows. Which isn't an arguement to keep it, it's telling you why it WILL be kept, not my idea but that's the logic of it.
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Don't be around? If I can help it, I won't be, but if they bring the fight to you and your house and try to harm your family, then there is no choice and no question that there will be quite a few people who are sorry they tried.
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I believe a lot of the things/schemes being done today are an effort to keep the social programs going.......I'm inclined to think that the gubment is very aware that they are in trouble in reguard to the handouts.

Devaluing the currency is a must for many reasons.

Taking over healthcare is a way to pump some more money in from a different source.......and if done properly, a bit of red tape and typical bureaucracy and lo and behold some of the candidates for medical proceedures pass on before getting treatment........then the benefits are twofold, the proceedure won't have to be done (saving money for the gubment) and reducing the population. Whatever assets the unlucky individual has can be taxed (death tax) (inheritance tax)

If you will notice, the healthcare plan is set up to collect money right away while benefits are a bit farther down the road. It is all about bringing in some more money.
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