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Old 03-04-2010, 14:23   #51
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Hey again, everyone.

I made a second trip to the range to wring out more of my 6 inch 9x25 Glock 20. I Put together quite a few rounds with various bullet weights ranging from 90 grain 9mm bullets up to 158 grain JHP's for the .357 Mag.

Unfortunately, my chronograph suffered a fatal malfunction. (Okay...I shot the damn thing!! There, I admitted it. Happy now??)

Obviously, I wasn't going to do any velocity testing so I had to settle for function tests. I'm happy to report that all rounds in all bullet weights functioned perfectly. No stoppages of any kind.

Not counting the dead Chrony, I was quite pleased with the results, so far.

Lighting these things off really drew a lot of attention. Awesome muzzle blast!!! It would rattle the roof of the shooting shed.

Fast forward three weeks......

Here's my third outing with the 9x25 Dillon. It was a nice Friday and I didn't feel like staying home and watching the Olympics. The weather was clear and sunny , around 15 C (60 F). (Whose idea was it to have the Winter Olympics here anyway?).

So with spare Chrony in hand, off I went.

These velocities are in order of bullet weight.

(???) means "WTF???"

Sierra 90 gr. JHP (.355 dia.)
Winchester WLP primers
5 shot strings

12.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps):
1) 1847
2) 1685 (???)
3) 1785
4) 1820
5) 1822
Extreme Spread : 162

13.0 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps):
1) 1886
2) 1876
3) 1826
4) 1861
5) 1841
Extreme Spread : 60

13.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps):
1) 1832
2) 1871
3) 1844
4) 1836
5) 1910
Extreme Spread : 78

14.0 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps) :
1) 1939
2) 1886
3) 1895
4) 1973
5) 1904
Extreme Spread : 87

14.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1943
2) 1894
3) 1929
4) error
5) 1927
Extreme Spread : 49

Lots of flash and "BOOM" with these. Really moving!!!
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Speer 110 gr. Gold Dot HP (.357 dia.)
Winchester WLP primers
5 shot strings

14.5 gr. H-110
Velocity (fps)
1) 1348
2) 1342
3) 1266
4) 1341
5) 1308
Extreme Spread : 82

15.0 gr. H-110
Velocity (fps)
1) 1478
2) 1407
3) 1395
4) 1389
5) 1383
Extreme Spread : 95

15.5 gr. H-110
Velocity (fps)
1) 1418
2) 1470
3) 1487
4) 1386
5) 1434
Extreme Spread : 101

16.0 gr. H-110
Velocity (fps)
1) 1459
2) 1463
3) 1480
4) 1412
5) 1433
Extreme Spread : 68

16.5 gr. H-110
Velocity (fps)
1) 1506
2) 1450
3) 1484
4) 1439
5) 1464
Extreme Spread : 67

The last two strings look more consistent. Higher charge weight??
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Speer 110 gr. Gold Dot HP (.357 dia.)
CCI #300 primers
5 shot strings

11.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1565
2) 1521
3) 1555
4) 1600
5) 1524
Extreme Spread : 79

12.0 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1607
2) 1576
3) 1552
4) 1550
5) 1650
Extreme Spread : 100

12.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1601
2) error
3) 1648
4) 1635
5) 1638
Extreme Spread : 47

13.0 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1593 (???)
2) 1579 (???)
3) 1717
4) 1679
5) 1705
Extreme Spread : 126

The 12.5 gr. charge looks the best in this batch. I don't know what the deal is with the 13.0 gr. charge.
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Sierra 115 gr. JHP (.355 dia.)
Winchester WLP primers
5 shot strings

11.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1611
2) 1562
3) 1607
4) 1561
5) 1593
Extreme Spread : 50

12.0 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1648
2) 1651
3) 1604
4) 1641
5) 1609
Extreme Spread : 47

13.0 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1735
2) 1700
3) 1689
4) 1696
5) 1672
Extreme Spread : 63
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I couldn't test any of the 158 grain .357 JHP's because I blew them all off last time. I'll make up some more for the next time around. Stay tuned.

Again, I had no stoppages during this batch of testing. I can't fault the rounds reliability....at least from my perspective. Both powders used burned very cleanly. The empty brass was bordering on spotless.

One thing I did notice, though.....My Glock did not seem to fling the empty brass that far away. When I shoot 10mm out of this thing, it really goes for distance. I'm guessing that the longer barrel and smaller bore add more weight on the top end and keep the slide velocity down.

Feel free to comment (and check my math). I still learning.

Thanks.

Mike.

P.S....The spare Chrony survived!!!!!!
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Old 03-04-2010, 14:47   #52
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Gun-adian,

Thanks for the data and sorry 'bout your chrony - I'm expecting to shoot mine sometime in the near future too... just a matter of when.

I'm waiting on my right elbow to heal from surgery. Got some 95 grain 9x25 from Mike and can't wait to shoot some of them through the chrony (hopefully) and down the range.

Please keep the data coming! I'll share when I get the press and the arm workin' again!

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I sent an e-mail to Ramshot Powders today inquiring about SILHOUETTE powder and this was sent back to me within an hour today. I will be picking up some of this powder to try soon.

Caliber: 9mmx25 Dillon.
Barrel length: 6”
Powder: Ramshot –- SILHOUETTE®.
Bullet weight: 115 grains.
Start load: 9.0 grains (1275 – 1350 ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 10.0 grains (1425 – 1500 Ft/p/sec).
Bullet weight: 124 grains.
Start load: 8.5 grains (1225 – 1275 ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 9.5 grains (1300 – 1400 Ft/p/sec).
Bullet weight: 147 grains.
Start load: 7.5 grains (1100- 1175 ft/p/sec)
Maximum load: 8.5 grains (1225 – 1275 Ft/p/sec).
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2.CAUTION: Beware of double charging if the loading density is below 50% of the available volume.
3.If possible, measure the velocity and correlate with our data.

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I don't know if any of you all have tried this powder for this application but I am going to work with it to check its performance for the 9X25 Dillon.
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Old 05-21-2010, 12:30   #54
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Hey Gang...here we go again.

I had time for a quick trip to the range last week with more 9x25 loads. I used the Speer 110 Gr. GDHP and Hornady 90 Gr. XTP for this run. This is the first outing with the Hornady XTP. The Speer bullet I've used before, but I pushed it a little harder this time.

The targets were at 25 yards and the Chrony was at about 3 yards.

Speer 110 gr. Gold Dot HP (.357 dia.)
CCI #300 Primers
5 Shot Strings

12.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1627
2) 1691
3) 1697
4) 1689
5) 1710
Extreme Spread : 83

13 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1733
2) 1729
3) 1731
4) 1710
5) 1737
Extreme Spread : 27

13.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1764
2) 1744
3) 1794
4) 1752
5) 1777
Extreme Spread : 50

14 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1816
2) 1843
3) 1819
4) 1852
5) 1798
Extreme Spread : 54

14.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1871
2) 1877
3) 1863
4) 1866
5) 1850
Extreme Spread : 27

I'm happy with the consistancies of the 13 gr. and 14.5 gr. loads. All loads gave 100% functioning.

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Hornady 90gr. XTP (.355 dia.)
CCI #300 Primers
5 Shot Strings

13.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1888
2) 1801
3) 1855
4) 1799
5) 1897
Extreme Spread : 98

14 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1933
2) 1914
3) 1755 (???)
4) 1826 (???)
5) 1869
Extreme Spread : 178

14.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1887
2) 1940
3) 1922
4) 1889
5) 1933
Extreme Spread : 53

15 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1979
2) 1898
3) 1937
4) 1999
5) 1966
Extreme Spread : 101

15.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1964
2) 2016
3) 2036
4) 1974
5) 1953
Extreme Spread : 83

No malfunctions of any kind.

The last load hit 2000 FPS!!!!! It was also accurate. See pics.

I found the XTP's to be more accurate than the GDHP's. Again, see pics below.
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I've got some 158 gr. JHP's loaded up and ready to go. I just need time to shoot them. Stay tuned.

That's all I've got for now. As always, suggestions and comments are most welcome.

Thanks.

Mike.
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Old 05-21-2010, 12:52   #55
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Sweet!!!

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Hey Gang...here we go again.

I had time for a quick trip to the range last week with more 9x25 loads. I used the Speer 110 Gr. GDHP and Hornady 90 Gr. XTP for this run. This is the first outing with the Hornady XTP. The Speer bullet I've used before, but I pushed it a little harder this time.

The targets were at 25 yards and the Chrony was at about 3 yards.

Speer 110 gr. Gold Dot HP (.357 dia.)
CCI #300 Primers
5 Shot Strings

12.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1627
2) 1691
3) 1697
4) 1689
5) 1710
Extreme Spread : 83

13 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1733
2) 1729
3) 1731
4) 1710
5) 1737
Extreme Spread : 27

13.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1764
2) 1744
3) 1794
4) 1752
5) 1777
Extreme Spread : 50

14 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1816
2) 1843
3) 1819
4) 1852
5) 1798
Extreme Spread : 54

14.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1871
2) 1877
3) 1863
4) 1866
5) 1850
Extreme Spread : 27

I'm happy with the consistancies of the 13 gr. and 14.5 gr. loads. All loads gave 100% functioning.

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Hornady 90gr. XTP (.355 dia.)
CCI #300 Primers
5 Shot Strings

13.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1888
2) 1801
3) 1855
4) 1799
5) 1897
Extreme Spread : 98

14 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1933
2) 1914
3) 1755 (???)
4) 1826 (???)
5) 1869
Extreme Spread : 178

14.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1887
2) 1940
3) 1922
4) 1889
5) 1933
Extreme Spread : 53

15 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1979
2) 1898
3) 1937
4) 1999
5) 1966
Extreme Spread : 101

15.5 gr. Blue Dot
Velocity (fps)
1) 1964
2) 2016
3) 2036
4) 1974
5) 1953
Extreme Spread : 83

No malfunctions of any kind.

The last load hit 2000 FPS!!!!! It was also accurate. See pics.

I found the XTP's to be more accurate than the GDHP's. Again, see pics below.
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I've got some 158 gr. JHP's loaded up and ready to go. I just need time to shoot them. Stay tuned.

That's all I've got for now. As always, suggestions and comments are most welcome.

Thanks.

Mike.
Thanks Mike! Sweet data/information! What kind of guide rod and guide rod (weight) spring are you using?

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Even though the barrel on my S&W1006 is 5", that longer barrel does make a big difference with this cartridge. I have some rounds loaded that I am going to test in the near future, I'll post when I can.

Thanks for posting!
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Jay - It's a factory weight spring (17 lbs. I think) captured on a stainless steel guide rod. I got it from the Glock Store. I wanted to try the factory weight spring before I upgrade to the heavier ones. It's working okay so far.

Shadow.....Yes please, post any new info you can get. It's your data that got me started down the 9x25 road.

Thanks guys.

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Shadow.....Yes please, post any new info you can get. It's your data that got me started down the 9x25 road.

Mike.
Sorry about that...I is a wicked little round.
How were your primers? Did they start to flatten any? Some? Alot? Mashed Flat?
How was the casings? Extraction? Expanded? Any Split?

I wish I knew what the powder is that DT McNett is using...I e-mailed him to ask but he probably will never say or it is "Commercial Only" stock.

I'm hoping after I recieve my VLTOR Bren Ten, I e-mailed Eric Kinkel and asked about producing some 9x25Dillon conversion barrels and others for it. He said that we think alike and it was a possibility.
The first step will be if we ever see the guns...

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Wade, here are some pics of the fired brass. I hope this helps.

Mike.
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Mike,

You got me fired-up on the Dillon 9x25 again. I've got some 90FMJ's from Mike McNett and I think some 115's. I'm going to chronograph. What a great, fun cartridge! I've also got plenty of Blue Dot, sized 9x25 Dillon nickel plated brass and CCI 300 Primers... but, I don't have any jacketed 9mm bullets. I've got some Rainer plated, but those won't work at those speeds. I'm off next week... I'll post some data on a couple of Mike McNett's 9x25's next week. Thanks man!

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Wade, here are some pics of the fired brass. I hope this helps.

Mike.
Can't see anything wrong with those.

Crap. Am I going to have to start exploring the "9mm super magnum?" Oh the intrigue!

Thanks for posting those pics and load data.
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I just got my 9x25 Dillon dies, and a couple pounds of Blue Dot & Longshot to play with. I am definitely going to load up some 90gr & 115gr XTP's with Blue Dot, but has anyone loaded 9x25 Dillon with Longshot?
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Meathead9, I have no experience with LongShot, and no data to assist you, Sorry!

You will be working sort of on your own, like I did with the Blue Dot when I first started with this caliber/cartridge. If you use this powder, Start low and work up slowly...

Hodgdon site does have some 357Sig Data which looks nice and should provide a starting place for you to play with for the 9x25Dillon with various bullet weights.

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I finally have some Longshot data for the 9x25 Dillon. I started @ 11.5gr for a 90gr XTP, since 10.0gr is Hodgdon's listed max for a .357sig 115gr JHP. I have to admit I think it was a little aggressive for a starting point, but I haven't had any pressure signs yet.

Here's what I have so far:

Sea Level, 88* F
6.02" LWD Barrel
Wolff 22# Spring
1.26 OAL
CCI300 Primers
Hodgdon Longshot
9x25 Dillon Die sized Starline Brass

11.5gr Longshot/ CCI300
1864
1910
1853
1848
1861
Average: 1867
ES: 62

12.0gr Longshot/ CCI300
1928
1926
1918
1922
1910
Average: 1920
ES: 18

12.5gr Longshot/ CCI300
1997
1932
1937
1994
1973
Average: 1967
ES: 65

I am really happy with Longshot so far. With an average of 1920, and an ES of 18, who could complain? These loads are LOUD! The range I go to is outdoors, and the office is about 50yds away. The girl came out of the office to tell me to stop shooting a Rifle on the Pistol range, but got really confused when all she saw was me and my G20L.


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I also loaded up the Blue Dot loads for 90gr XTP's that "Gun-adian" posted earlier this year. I worked up from 13.5gr to 15.0gr (indoors) before I had my chrony, with no pressure signs. This time I started @ 14.5gr and worked up to 15.5gr. I'm a little disapointed with my results compared to Gun-adian's, but I'm not giving up on Blue Dot. I think I'll try WLP's, and I may experiment with the OAL. The muzzle flash alone is enough to keep me coming back. Anything above 14.5gr indoors produces the biggest fireball that I have personally seen out of a handgun.

14.5gr Blue Dot/ CCI300
Average: 1824fps
ES: 44

15.0gr Blue Dot/ CCI300
Average: 1820fps
ES: 29

15.5gr Blue Dot/CCI300
Average: 1846fps
ES: 53
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Thanks for the data!

Thanks for the data Meathead9. I'm waiting for the weather to cool down here in Florida... humidity is killer this time of year. I've got plenty of Blue Dot on hand, but no Longshot.
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Thanks, Meathead!

WhenMonkeysFly...I'm with you we have been very hot & moist here in Louisiana...can't hardly wait to get some cooler & drier weather to be able to shoot without the sweat runnig over the grips, dripping on the pages of notes while gathering chrono data.
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Here’s some more 9x25 Dillon Load Data using Longshot, with WLP's & CCI350's this time.

Sea Level, 85* F
6" LWD Barrel
Wolff 22# Spring
1.26 OAL
9x25 Dillon Die sized Starline Brass
90gr XTP

11.5gr Longshot/ WLP
1913
1904
1891
1896
1923
Ave: 1908
ES: 34

12.0gr Longshot/ WLP
1931
1960
1934
1958
1958
Ave: 1948
ES: 29

12.5gr Longshot/ WLP
2040
1922
1948
1971
2015
Ave: 1979
ES: 118
 
 
11.5gr Longshot/ CCI350
1904
1846
1905
1919
1875
Ave: 1889
ES: 73

12.0gr Longshot/ CCI350
1995
1948
1940
1926
1946
Ave: 1951
ES: 69

12.5gr Longshot/ CCI350
2014
1958
1976
2054
2054
Ave: 2011
ES: 96


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Here’s some more 9x25 Dillon Load Data using Longshot, using WLP's & CCI350's this time.

Sea Level, 85* F
6" LWD Barrel
Wolff 22# Spring
1.26 OAL
9x25 Dillon Die sized Starline Brass

11.5gr Longshot/ WLP
1913
1904
1891
1896
1923
Ave: 1908
ES: 34

12.0gr Longshot/ WLP
1931
1960
1934
1958
1958
Ave: 1948
ES: 29

12.5gr Longshot/ WLP
2040
1922
1948
1971
2015
Ave: 1979
ES: 118
 
 
11.5gr Longshot/ CCI350
1904
1846
1905
1919
1875
Ave: 1889
ES: 73

12.0gr Longshot/ CCI350
1995
1948
1940
1926
1946
Ave: 1951
ES: 69

12.5gr Longshot/ CCI350
2014
1958
1976
2054
2054
Ave: 2011
ES: 96

Hey Meathead,

Thanks for the data. Are you using a 90gr XTP Bullet? Still planning on using Blue Dot? As soon as it gets in the mid 80's here, I'm heading to the range! I've got 95gr Montana Gold JHP's, lots of Blue Dot, CCI 300's and CCI 350's. I'd like to get 1900fps.
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Hey Meathead,

Thanks for the data. Are you using a 90gr XTP Bullet? Still planning on using Blue Dot? As soon as it gets in the mid 80's here, I'm heading to the range! I've got 95gr Montana Gold JHP's, lots of Blue Dot, CCI 300's and CCI 350's. I'd like to get 1900fps.
Yeah, I was using the 90gr XTP's again, I edited the post to add that. I didn't get to 1900fps with Blue Dot yet, but I haven't used Mag Primers. I'll work up some loads with BD & CCI350's next time out. I also want to work up from 12.0gr-12.5gr of Longshot with CCI350's in 0.1 increments, to see if I can tighten up my ES's and groups. I'll also be loading up some 115gr XTP's to test out soon.
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Here's a picture of the 5 fired cases that were loaded @ 12.5gr Longshot with CCI350's. These are the worst looking primers out of all the rounds I have fired so far, what do you think?

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Meathead9, those primers don't look that bad, where these the ones you chrono'ed above? Those velocities are looking good from that LWD long tube. The 5" barrel for my S&W just doesn't get the velocities up there...may have to find me a G-20 to complement the G-29.

How was the extraction with the Long Shot loads...did they fly very far compared to the 10mm loads?

Man, I can't wait till this rain is gone and the weather starts to cool off.
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Meathead9, those primers don't look that bad, where these the ones you chrono'ed above? Those velocities are looking good from that LWD long tube. The 5" barrel for my S&W just doesn't get the velocities up there...may have to find me a G-20 to complement the G-29.

How was the extraction with the Long Shot loads...did they fly very far compared to the 10mm loads?

Man, I can't wait till this rain is gone and the weather starts to cool off.

Yeah those are the cases from the 12.5gr Longshot/CCI350 load that chrono'd over 2000fps. I left in the 22# spring that I use for my 10mm loads, and the brass literally drops at my feet. Every round has cycled perfectly, so is there any reason I should go to a lighter spring? I have the Wolff Calibration kit (17/19/20/22#) so I have a couple options I can try out.
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I left in the 22# spring that I use for my 10mm loads, and the brass literally drops at my feet. Every round has cycled perfectly, so is there any reason I should go to a lighter spring?
That was why I asked, I experienced the same thing with some of the loads I tested from DT and also my handloads, using the 22lb spring in my S&W1006.

It could be tested with the 20lb spring I suppose but I don't know if I'd change the spring and risk having the slide unlock too early, as that may cause unsupported case issues.
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Ordered some Longshot from Powder Valley yesterday.

(Still way too hot and humid to shoot here.)
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