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Old 05-04-2010, 14:39   #101
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First of all, tremendous amounts of appreciation heaped upon MacG22 for this information. It has emboldened me to give it a go. I'm flying tomorrow to New Orleans by way of who-knows-where and I was not looking forward to being unarmed during my stay, so... many thanks.

I was printing out the info from the TSA site and this is part of the page...

***PASTE***
We recommend that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain in the area designated by the aircraft operator or TSA representative to take the key back after the container is cleared for transportation. If you are not present and the security officer must open the container, we or the airline will make a reasonable attempt to contact you. If we can't contact you, the container will not be placed on the plane. Federal regulations prohibit unlocked gun cases (or cases with broken locks) on aircraft.
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That seems to contradict the previous idea of the traveler being the only one who is allowed to have the key/combi.

Has there been a change?

That quote is in there, but it's in the context of if you're standing right there when they go through it or if they page you back. And I usually don't hand over the key, though I've only been asked a few times. I use a combo and just say, "I apologize but the combo is my pin number and I don't hand it out. But I'd be happy to unlock the case for you." Remember the point right above it states: "A locked container is defined as one that completely secures the firearm from access by anyone other than you."

Notice they say "recommend" in terms of giving the key, but also specify that it must be reclaimed by you. Part of the law is that no other person can have access to the case other than for secondary screening. And it's extremely rare that anyone in secondary will actually unpack it in my experience. REF: "We recommend that you provide the key or combination to the security officer if he or she needs to open the container. You should remain in the area designated by the aircraft operator or TSA representative to take the key back after the container is cleared for transportation."

Never been an issue, for me. Their primary regs say that you can be the only one who has access. If I'm looking right at someone, I really don't mind handing a key if I see it the whole time. If it's going where I cannot follow, I'll be firm and polite that I must be the only one with access.

EDIT: Just read that Swinokur beat me to it. He's right on, once again, IMO.
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:22   #102
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OK, folks... My turn. I'm going to give a play-by-play account. I'm sitting in Palm Beach International airport (at the gate now). I did my homework, including reading this thread.

I arrived early - about 2 hours before my flight. Turns out that was a bit of overkill. But, now I have time to write this! Got to the ticket age, and told him, "I need to declare a firearm, which is packed to TSA standards." He said, "you're traveling with a firearm?" Yes.

He then dug around a very messy drawer to find the form. It's not really a form... more of a tag. Put my flight number on it. And, then I signed it. It was labeled "Unloaded Firearm" and was bright orange in color.

He then asked me to open the gun case, which I did. I got a Pelican 1400 and set it up to pack my G27 disassembled. He took one look and said, "OK. Lock it up." I've got two padlocks - one over each latch. Then I've got a Masterlock cable that runs through the locks and around the suitcase frame. I also put a TSA lock on the softside suitcase, for whatever that's worth.

Next he called a skycap who then escorted me and the suitcase downstairs. It did NOT go on the conveyor belt. The skycap took me to the door that connects the luggage claim area and where the actual airport luggage handling area is. Apparently that's where the TSA screeners are. The skycap told me to wait there, and he would come back and let me know if we got the "thumbs up." I waited for about 5 minutes. And, then he came back to tell me "OK you're ready to go. Enjoy your flight." Tipped him a fiver.

Whole process took about 15 minutes.

I'm flying to Little Rock, AR for a wedding this weekend. Turning around on Sunday to return to S. Florida. I'll post my experience departing Little Rock then.

So far, so good! Thanks to MacG22 for putting all this together.

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Old 05-07-2010, 12:52   #103
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Arrived in Little Rock.

Luggage arrived, as well. Perhaps not so interestingly, the stupid "TSA-approved" lock was missing off my suitcase. WTF is up with that? They SAY you can use those locks (as crappy as they are). They SAY they have a master key. But, it is apparent through the stories I've read here, AND now my own experience, that the "TSA-approved" locks are just a way to throw away money. They just cut it off. It's gone. Niiice.

My gun arrived intact, and it is now "at home" on my hip, where it belongs.... especially in Little Rock. I'm right downtown. I believe Little Rock has one of the highest violent crime rates in the country. Go figure.

When I get a chance, I'll post photos of how I packed my gun.

And, I'll also post how my return trip went. But, I will say this much at this point... EVERYONE should travel with a gun and exercise their rights. The more of us that do this, the more routine (and trouble-free) this will become. I thought it was odd that I had to walk all the way "downstairs" to get my bag inspected (out of my sight... but gun case was locked and I had the key).

If a LOT of people traveled with firearms, I would imagine they'd have to streamline the process as it becomes more mainstream.

OK, guys... if you're traveling to a place where your CCW is recognized, bring your EDC! I am now so committed to exercising my rights that I feel I would be DERELICT in my "duties" to myself and my family to NOT protect myself. Furthermore, I feel it's my patriotic imperative. As an American who believes the Constitution is sacrosanct and that my right to self-defense is "God-given" or "Natural," I MUST make protecting myself as habitual as putting my pants on in the morning.

Who's with me??? :D



Staying right downtown, which is not the most savory of areas.
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Old 05-07-2010, 13:10   #104
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Arrived in Little Rock.

Luggage arrived, as well. Perhaps not so interestingly, the stupid "TSA-approved" lock was missing off my suitcase. WTF is up with that? They SAY you can use those locks (as crappy as they are). They SAY they have a master key. But, it is apparent through the stories I've read here, AND now my own experience, that the "TSA-approved" locks are just a way to throw away money. They just cut it off. It's gone. Niiice.
Welcome to my world Racer. After about the fourth occurance of the TSA goons cutting my TSA approved locks off my bag, I gave up. I either use a nylon wire tie or nothing. That's why the procedure of cabling your gun case to your luggage is so important.

TSA's master keys are bolt cutters now. Complaining about these clowns is a total waste of time

TSA is a complete and total farce. Security theater. They can hassle you all day about too much shampoo or deodorant, while the real terrrorists with real bombs get overlooked.

I agree with you on carry. A right unexercised is a right lost, especially with the current regime in DC. It's going to get to the point where I won't travel to a place I can't carry, other than for work destinations.

Janet Nepolitano is not qualified to be in charge of the Keystone Cops. What a total joke this whole thing is. This is the same govt that wants to giive me health care? No thanks.

God Help Us. Am I allowed to say God?
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Old 05-07-2010, 13:49   #105
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If a LOT of people traveled with firearms, I would imagine they'd have to streamline the process as it becomes more mainstream.

OK, guys... if you're traveling to a place where your CCW is recognized, bring your EDC! I am now so committed to exercising my rights that I feel I would be DERELICT in my "duties" to myself and my family to NOT protect myself. Furthermore, I feel it's my patriotic imperative. As an American who believes the Constitution is sacrosanct and that my right to self-defense is "God-given" or "Natural," I MUST make protecting myself as habitual as putting my pants on in the morning.

Who's with me??? :D
I will probably travel with my pistol all the time unless traveling somewhere I can't have it like NY the best I can tell would be a no-no for me.

I am taking a car trip from FL to Ill and Missouri then back to FL. I will bring it with me in the car just need to check what I need to do in Ill. :(
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Old 05-09-2010, 10:21   #106
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Update... Just checked in at Little Rock airport. Could not have been easier or hassle-free. No big deal at all. The folks here treated it as very routine. Thumbs up to Little Rock National Airport!
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Old 05-09-2010, 20:38   #107
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Update... Made it home. Nothing missing.

Conclusion: Confirmed my earlier assertion, which is that traveling with firearms is actually quite easy. And, I stand firm in my new belief that we should ALL commit to exercising our rights in every state that recognizes our licenses to carry concealed as we travel around the country.
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Old 05-09-2010, 20:55   #108
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Nice write up!
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:01   #109
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I've flown in and out of Newark Int. on about a dozen occasions with a pistol. As the OP states, knowing the laws and the airline requirements are imperative. I have yet to encounter a problem with TSA or airline staff. I travel to the airport from PA, with the firearm, cased, and locked, inside hardsided, locked luggage. Politeness, and a low key, matter of fact attitude seem to work well with those I come in contact with at the airport. I would encourage anyone to fly with a firearm if it is legal for you to do so. Rights that go unexercised tend to atrophy.
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Old 06-04-2010, 22:13   #110
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Finally got around to posting photos of how I packed my G27 for travel.

In the first photo, you can see how I packed the G27 disassembled.

In the second photo, I demonstrate how I secured the Pelican case to my luggage. Also used two identically-keyed padlocks to lock the pelican case. Note that the cable lock passes through both padlocks instead of the plastic handle.
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Old 06-05-2010, 04:46   #111
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Finally got around to posting photos of how I packed my G27 for travel.

In the first photo, you can see how I packed the G27 disassembled.

In the second photo, I demonstrate how I secured the Pelican case to my luggage. Also used two identically-keyed padlocks to lock the pelican case.
What model Pelican case is that?
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Old 06-05-2010, 12:35   #112
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It's a Pelican 1400. About $80 on Amazon.com.

You may see that it's deep enough to place my G27 magazines, barrel, guide rod, and frame "vertically," saving some "real estate." On the upper left side, you can see my Spyderco Caly 3, too. Here's a sharper photo (the other was a bit fuzzy).

I figure packing the pistol in a field-stripped condition will just make things go that much smoother at the airport.

Hope that helps!
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Old 06-06-2010, 07:16   #113
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Stock glock box secured with stock glock cable lock. This is stored inside my suitcase. Many many trips, never a problem. I only use aftermarket cases for long guns or training guns.
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Old 06-28-2010, 19:25   #114
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Old 07-25-2010, 16:25   #116
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TSA inconsistency

According to the TSA website, it looks like you have to give them the key or combination...

The passenger must provide the key or combination to the screener if it is necessary to open the container, and then remain present during screening to take back possession of the key after the container is cleared.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1188.shtm

at another location on the same website, they recommend that the passenger provide the key or combination.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1666.shtm

but 45 CFR 1540.111 says that
2) Any unloaded firearm(s) unless (i) The passenger declares to the aircraft operator, either orally or in writing, before checking the baggage, that the passenger has a firearm in his or her bag and that it is unloaded; (ii) The firearm is unloaded; (iii) The firearm is carried in a hard-sided container; and (iv) The container in which it is carried is locked, and only the passenger retains the key or combination.



Read more: http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/111-carriage...#ixzz0ujlYhRsT


You'd better carry a copy of the federal regulations in addition to the TSA and Airline rules since ther is some lack of consistency here...

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According to the TSA website, it looks like you have to give them the key or combination...

The passenger must provide the key or combination to the screener if it is necessary to open the container, and then remain present during screening to take back possession of the key after the container is cleared.

http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...rial_1188.shtm
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Old 07-29-2010, 11:52   #119
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Just returned from my trip.

I had it locked just as the OP described. The only comment I got was..."Did you use enough locks?" (I had one on each side of the case and the cable lock)

It took about 10 extra min each way. Even had to stand in line at the TSA area to wait on others traveling with firearms. I asked and they said it was pretty common for people to fly with them.

Delta airlines: Awesome
Atlanta airport: Awesome
Pittsburgh airport: Awesome

Made this very easy.
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Having to take an emergency flight and I've taken a lot of great information from this thread. My only question is, my surefire flashlight and two batteries. Was planning on putting the flashlight in the hardcase, but what should be done with the batteries? Tape the ends and put in a ziploc?
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Having to take an emergency flight and I've taken a lot of great information from this thread. My only question is, my surefire flashlight and two batteries. Was planning on putting the flashlight in the hardcase, but what should be done with the batteries? Tape the ends and put in a ziploc?
Caught this a little late. I really don't know what to do about it. Never thought it to be much of a problem.

Let me know how it goes for you and what you did.
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Caught this a little late. I really don't know what to do about it. Never thought it to be much of a problem.

Let me know how it goes for you and what you did.
IIRC lithium batteries are OK in the device in your carry on. Verboten in checked bags. will try too get a cite however.
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As of January 1, 2008, the Department of Transportation (DOT) through the Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration (PHMSA) no longer allows loose lithium batteries in checked baggage.

Learn more at http://safetravel.dot.gov/whats_new_batteries.ht
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  • Keep batteries and equipment with you, or in carry-on baggage - not in your checked baggage! In the cabin, flight crew can better monitor conditions, and have access to the batteries or device if a fire does occur.
  • Buy batteries from reputable sources and only use batteries approved for your device – avoid counterfeits! A counterfeit battery is more likely to cause a fire in your equipment – costing you more in the long run, and compromising safety.
  • Look for the mark of an independent testing or standards organization, such as Underwriters Laboratories (UL) or International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC).
  • Do not carry recalled or damaged batteries on aircraft. Check battery recall information at the manufacturer's website, or at the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
  • Only charge batteries which you are sure are rechargeable! Non-rechargeable batteries are not designed for recharging, and become hazardous if placed in a battery charger. A non-rechargeable battery placed in a charger may overheat or cause damage later.
  • Only use a charger compatible with your rechargeable battery – don’t mix and match!
  • If original packaging is not available for spare batteries, effectively insulate battery terminals by isolating the batteries from contact with other batteries and metal. Do not permit a loose battery to come in contact with metal objects, such as coins, keys, or jewelry.
  • Place each battery in its own protective case, plastic bag, or package, or place tape across the battery's contacts to isolate terminals. Isolating terminals prevents short-circuiting.
  • Take steps to prevent crushing, puncturing, or putting a high degree of pressure on the battery, as this can cause an internal short-circuit, resulting in overheating.
  • If you must carry a battery-powered device in any baggage, package it to prevent inadvertent activation. For instance, you should pack a cordless power tool in a protective case, with a trigger lock engaged. If there is an on-off switch or a safety switch, tape it in the "off" position.
Lithium Batteries: Safety and Security

Carry IssuesLithium-ion batteries, often found in laptop computers, differ from primary lithium batteries, which are often used in cameras. Some newer AA-size batteries are also primary lithium.
While there is no explosion hazard associated with either kind of battery, the Federal Aviation Administration has studied fire hazards associated with both primary and lithium-ion cells, and their extensive research is publicly available. As a result of this research, the FAA no longer allows large, palletized shipments of these batteries to be transported as cargo on passenger aircraft.
The research also shows that an explosion will not result from shorting or damaging either lithium-ion or primary lithium batteries. Both are, however, extremely flammable. Primary lithium batteries cannot be extinguished with firefighting agents normally carried on aircraft, whereas lithium-ion batteries are easily extinguished by most common extinguishing agents, including those carried on board commercial aircraft.
TSA has and will continue to work closely with the FAA on potential aviation safety and security issues, and TSA security officers are thoroughly and continually trained to find explosive threats. TSA does not have plans to change security regulations for electronic devices powered by lithium batteries.
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I wish I'd seen this prior to my flight to TN this last June. I was so nervous I almost wet myself. My wife was dead set against me taking the pistol in the first place, and we had our three, young kids with us. She was sure I was going to spend time in Walla Walla at worst or miss our flight at best.

We flew on Frontier, and no Frontier agent ever looked at my pistol. Flying out of Spokane, though, a TSA agent escorted me to a small room, inspected the pistol, packed the bag, and I was on my way. I did not have ammunition with me.

That having gone so well, I wasn't nearly as nervous at Nashville, but my brother had driven us to the airport, and I made him wait with us until I knew everything was OK. However, I waited probably 45 minutes for a TSA agent to escort me to a little room. I kept waiting and waiting for a TSA agent to show up and inspect my pistol, but no one ever did. I finally went to ask about my pistol. The agents were backed up dealing with other customers, so I got the attention of a TSA agent. When I asked about the inspection, he said they only inspect if they see anything funny in the scan and that my bag was already headed for the plane.

So other than the ulcer and the 45 minute wait, it was pretty uneventful.
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Old 08-24-2010, 09:57   #125
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anyone every get told they can't use the stock glock cases? i'm flying from ATL to Chicago and am not sure if i should run out and get a pelican case, or just save the money and a large padlock on the handle + the glock wire lock should suffice
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