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05-15-2011, 18:23
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60 min Sovereign Citizens
This was on tonight, vid link in case anyone missed it
60 Mins Sovereign Citizens Video
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05-15-2011, 18:32
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Tagged for later.
In the academy, we watched a video about Sovereign Citizens and a few things to keep in mind that might point to them (fake plates, strange legal papers, etc.). Scary stuff.
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05-15-2011, 19:08
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Very good episode.
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05-15-2011, 19:38
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Our CLC's this year were geared towards them.
Watching the video...
ETA:
Read the Article too... Superb...
Like the Chief I might even like it if these bozos decide to come after me physically... My only concern is that they are like Super Zombies... No Hearts... Or Brains... 40mm time?
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05-15-2011, 23:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rohniss
Our CLC's this year were geared towards them.
Watching the video...
ETA:
Read the Article too... Superb...
Like the Chief I might even like it if these bozos decide to come after me physically... My only concern is that they are like Super Zombies... No Hearts... Or Brains... 40mm time?
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I deal with them in the Federal Buearu of Prisons. They are some of the most crying inmates I have ever seen. Although they are dangerous on the street. They normally don't come after you physically at first. They try to scare you into submission by overwelming you with a lot of fake forms etc. They even have filed UCC liens on GOV and prison officials thinking that will win their relese. They get 5 more years for doing it but they are all knuckle heads and think they are onto something.
If your department does not offer training on them I would recommend going somewhere to get some. A lot more people are "adopting" that ideology. And they are very dangerous.
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05-15-2011, 23:54
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The Anti-Glock
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I'm pretty sure a few of the Open Carry crowd over in the "Carry Issues" forum belong to this movement or at the very least share many of their beliefs.
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05-16-2011, 00:17
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AAAAAAAAGHHH!!!
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60 Minutes... friend of America.
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05-16-2011, 00:55
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Originally Posted by mrsurfboard
I'm pretty sure a few of the Open Carry crowd over in the "Carry Issues" forum belong to this movement or at the very least share many of their beliefs.
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That is a rather Broad Brush. That is like saying that a few bad LEO'S make all LEO's bad. I know that isn't an accurate statement. Neither is yours.
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05-16-2011, 02:13
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I have been hearing about this stuff for quite some time now. It's no joke, and I take it very seriously. Some of these people are more than willing to show us what death is like; very dangerous people.
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05-16-2011, 02:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldCurlyWolf
That is a rather Broad Brush. That is like saying that a few bad LEO'S make all LEO's bad. I know that isn't an accurate statement. Neither is yours.
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That's why I said a few over there, not most, all or any resemblance of the same. If you followed some of the anti cop, anti government posters over there, you would agree with me.
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05-16-2011, 02:59
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Honest question here: Why are these oxygen theives tolerated? In all curiosity, is hter any - even a thread of legitamacy to their actions? And since I assume that the answer to question is "NO!!!", Why not go after them when they do something stupid and illegal? That I know of, at least 2 officers have been shot and killed by these morons and a number more have been involved in shootouts with them.
Guys, it's a matter of survival, why let them stay on the street if there are good charges against them. Fraud comes to mind with the leins they do...
Oh, and happy National Law Enfocrement day though a little late.
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05-16-2011, 05:40
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Originally Posted by mrsurfboard
That's why I said a few over there, not most, all or any resemblance of the same. If you followed some of the anti cop, anti government posters over there, you would agree with me.
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I agree with you.
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Guys, it's a matter of survival, why let them stay on the street if there are good charges against them. Fraud comes to mind with the leins they do...
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Agreed...
Lots of laws out there you can arrest a known dirtbag for... and if they resist... Happy Times...
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I deal with them in the Federal Buearu of Prisons. They are some of the most crying inmates I have ever seen. Although they are dangerous on the street. They normally don't come after you physically at first. They try to scare you into submission by overwelming you with a lot of fake forms etc. They even have filed UCC liens on GOV and prison officials thinking that will win their relese. They get 5 more years for doing it but they are all knuckle heads and think they are onto something.
If your department does not offer training on them I would recommend going somewhere to get some. A lot more people are "adopting" that ideology. And they are very dangerous.
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Yeah I'm pretty well versed in the Sovereign ****izen Movement... They've got a "church" round about these parts and are frequent guests at our establishment... Like I said the CLC's this year were about them, presented by DHS...
In my estimation they are traitors or a "mad dog" and need to be dealt with as such... But alas, its a kinder gentler country we have nowadays... even in Alabama... *sigh*
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05-16-2011, 05:49
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Looks like a good group to get rid of, by any means.
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05-16-2011, 11:15
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Had one wander into court a few weeks ago. Got shot down quick from what I heard. 
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05-16-2011, 11:24
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Ol 8 fingers ;)
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Hey thanks for posting this link - I missed 60 minutes last night because I was at a Michigan militia/sovereign citizen/open carry meeting.
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05-16-2011, 11:37
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because I was at a Michigan militia/sovereign citizen/open carry meeting
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In other words, a sewing party?
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05-16-2011, 11:53
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Ol 8 fingers ;)
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Originally Posted by Morris
In other words, a sewing party?
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That would be SEWING PARTY. come on get it right. 
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05-16-2011, 19:29
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I'm pretty sure a few of the Open Carry crowd over in the "Carry Issues" forum belong to this movement or at the very least share many of their beliefs.
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I would just say that I would not be surprised.
But sharing beliefs or having membership is not crossing the line. No matter what others do, LE plays by the rules. Be careful of overarching statements. Always remember that although justice grinds on slowly, it grinds on.
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05-16-2011, 22:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsurfboard
That's why I said a few over there, not most, all or any resemblance of the same. If you followed some of the anti cop, anti government posters over there, you would agree with me.
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I actually post on OC.org quite often, I am a former LEO and I do NOT agree with you.
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Politicians should serve two terms, one in office and one in prison.(borrowed from RioKid)
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05-16-2011, 22:25
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tagged.
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05-16-2011, 23:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldCurlyWolf
I actually post on OC.org quite often, I am a former LEO and I do NOT agree with you.
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I don't believe I ever mentioned OC.org. I was speaking of some of the poster over in the "carry issues" section of this board. And you don't have to agree with me. There is a hate of LE and government by some in that section.
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05-17-2011, 00:00
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Originally Posted by mrsurfboard
I don't believe I ever mentioned OC.org. I was speaking of some of the poster over in the "carry issues" section of this board. And you don't have to agree with me. There is a hate of LE and government by some in that section.
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Don't even have to go back into that dark hole, it shows up in GnG regularly.
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05-17-2011, 03:33
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That's a fascinating link, thank you. There's increasing problems with the same kind of people over here. I've never met one who could actually give a legal basis for their belief except "it's the common law, innit" 
http://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/88...haotic_scenes/
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As he emerged from the court surrounded by his supporters, Mr Hayes said: "The judges are breaking the law in their own courts.
"I asked him (Mr Peake) if he was serving under his oath of office.
"I asked three times for him to confirm this and he refused.
"So I civilly arrested the judge and I called upon some people in the court to assist me in this.
"They were acting lawfully and the police should not have arrested them."
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05-17-2011, 07:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrsurfboard
I don't believe I ever mentioned OC.org. I was speaking of some of the poster over in the "carry issues" section of this board. And you don't have to agree with me. There is a hate of LE and government by some in that section.
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My mistake on the OC.org thing.
There is an irrational hate by some on any subject you care to mention. The question is whether or not it is a significant number or not.
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I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do those things to other people and I require the same of them.
Politicians should serve two terms, one in office and one in prison.(borrowed from RioKid)
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05-17-2011, 08:03
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Excellent, thanks!
Edit, just emailed the link to my co-workers (thank god it's only 13 minutes long, some have short attention spans).
"If they want to come after me...I might even like it!" God bless ya, Chief.
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