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Old 08-22-2011, 10:09   #61
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Great thread! Personally, I carry everywhere its legal to do so. Probably 95%+ of the time I could care less if I'm made. However the other ~5% makes this thread totally worth the read. I've picked up a couple things i definitely do but never really noticed before.

That said, its certainly reliant on the people you are around as well. I spend much of my time around people who, frankly, don't know jack squat about guns, much less CCW. Only one has ever noticed the MTAC clips, and just shrugged it off.

Possibly it helps that I wear a shirt and tie every day and keep clean shaven and well-groomed.
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Old 08-22-2011, 10:34   #62
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Guess in the past I was too grey -

Have been the selected target for three attacks (2 carjackings and a mugging attempt). Only the first carjacking was a surprise, I was aware that I'd been targetted the two other times.

Now I adjust my appearance for the situation. It's more attitude and bearing than the clothes I'm wearing. That aloha shirt can say "tourist" or "he's packing" depending on the vibs you are putting out.

The fanny pack I sometimes carry is from a tree hugger company and is very much the norm where I live. I just added a holster and a key fob to make it easier to get open. The company that made the pack would probably panic if they knew their product could be used this way. As a result, it screams "tourist" rather than "gun".

It's all about the vibs you give off and works for me, ymmv.
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Old 08-22-2011, 10:46   #63
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I have a hard time fitting the "gray man" role, but not necessarily by choice. My tshirt collection consists of shirts from a few of my favorite metal bands, and Harley Davidson shirts. Where I have a hard time being the "gray man" comes from my size. I'm not usually the tallest man in the room, but I am usually the biggest, usually. If I'm in the gun store or the Harley shop, I won't typically get a second look from people, but when I go strolling through Chuck E Cheese with my kids in tow, I get a few stares from the soccer moms. I don't walk around with a smug look on my face or with a "Come at me Bro" attitude, but my size and how I look(shaved head, goatee but no tattoos or piercings) are usually enough to garner a few looks from people.

I'm polite and respectful to others when out and about, I hold doors for people of either sex, not because I'm carrying and want to look friendly so people don't suspect I'm carrying, but because its how I was raised. My behavior around other people is the same whether carrying or not. If a person has to act differently when carrying, you have to wonder why a gun would change a persons attitude and demeanor. Shouldn't we as adults be behaving in a respectful manner anyways?

Becoming "gray" or blending in so to speak, is more about how you act and carry yourself rather than whether or not your wearing Dockers and Polo shirts everywhere you go. Choosing proper gear, ie gun belt, holster, gun, iwb,owb, carry position on your body, are all things that we should take into consideration when wanting to be completely concealed, but that isn't where it ends.

Just my $.02, and as always ladies and gentlemen, YMMV. Carry on.
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Old 08-22-2011, 11:35   #64
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Becoming "gray" or blending in so to speak, is more about how you act and carry yourself rather than whether or not your wearing Dockers and Polo shirts everywhere you go. Choosing proper gear, ie gun belt, holster, gun, iwb,owb, carry position on your body, are all things that we should take into consideration when wanting to be completely concealed, but that isn't where it ends.

Couldn't be said better.

Good thread Sam...........
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Old 08-22-2011, 11:38   #65
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I sure would like this thread "Pinned" at the top for reference. Good job, Sam Spade!!!

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Old 08-22-2011, 11:50   #66
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I sure would like this thread "Pinned" at the top for reference. Good job, Sam Spade!!!

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Remind me when it starts drifting down toward the bottom of the page and that will happen.
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Old 08-22-2011, 12:42   #67
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Easy when I CCW I wear nothing that indicates gun or owner of such. Not that I care as someone knowing that I carry here in ID is no big deal as OC is legal. Signs mean Zero to me or the law.
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Old 08-22-2011, 13:25   #68
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I knew I didn't state that properly.

Thanks for the help.
I honestly can't tell if you are being facetious or not.
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Very interesting, what you guys see as a game the common criminal does all the time.


Who sir, said it was a "game"?
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I can't legally carry at work, so I don't.

Winter carry is easy...summer, not so much. In the summer, I wear cargo shorts my wife bought somewhere (which is to say they're not tactical), and my LCP fits on one side and my wallet the other. I guarantee that no one knows I'm carrying. The trade-off is the slow draw...and the .380.
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Who sir, said it was a "game"?

Quote from garweh: I always play a game when I am in public places such as malls. I look for predators. I look for those who may be CCWing. I look for plain-clothes LE. Amazing how much you actually "see" when you are looking for it!


Whoops dude: Personally I like to play the bad guy game. I assume the roll of a bad guy and as I enter and exit places and situations I take note of the people and their actions. From my bad guy standpoint I observe to see who is constantly and somewhat obviously scanning the room. Who sits facing exits and what not and say okay I would shoot them first. I then try not to do some of the things that my "marks" do that make them stand out to me.

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Old 08-22-2011, 14:40   #72
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I can't legally carry at work, so I don't.

Winter carry is easy...summer, not so much. In the summer, I wear cargo shorts my wife bought somewhere (which is to say they're not tactical), and my LCP fits on one side and my wallet the other. I guarantee that no one knows I'm carrying. The trade-off is the slow draw...and the .380.
you should try Thunderwear or Smartcarry. You'll still have the slow draw, but at least you can carry your 9mm (or w/e it is thats bigger than .380). Thunderwear works great for my G26 if i need deep concealment.
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you should try Thunderwear or Smartcarry. You'll still have the slow draw, but at least you can carry your 9mm (or w/e it is thats bigger than .380). Thunderwear works great for my G26 if i need deep concealment.
Thanks for the suggestion, but none of my other carry pistolas would fit.

I used to use a Smart Carry when I carried a S&W 60, and it was great until I had to sit down. It might work better with a semi-auto.

I also own a Maxpedition Active Shooter bag, and upon occasion I use it, but talk about being obvious.
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I carry in a belly band and it hides the gun very well.
great subject matter .........food for thought

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Old 08-22-2011, 15:14   #75
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I honestly can't tell if you are being facetious or not.
Very serious.

I did not state my position well. You pointed out the problem with what I said. When I am facetious, you will know it...
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Very interesting, what you guys see as a game the common criminal does all the time.
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Who sir, said it was a "game"?

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Quote from garweh: I always play a game when I am in public places such as malls. I look for predators. I look for those who may be CCWing. I look for plain-clothes LE. Amazing how much you actually "see" when you are looking for it!


Whoops dude: Personally I like to play the bad guy game. I assume the roll of a bad guy and as I enter and exit places and situations I take note of the people and their actions. From my bad guy standpoint I observe to see who is constantly and somewhat obviously scanning the room. Who sits facing exits and what not and say okay I would shoot them first. I then try not to do some of the things that my "marks" do that make them stand out to me.
Actually, Carrys, it is a game, so to speak.

I often run scenarios through my head. "If this happens right here, I will do_________ . If they do ___________ in response, I'll do _________ ." I visualize people doing bad things and my response. I play the "What If" game to be ready for the "When it Happens" game.

barstoolguru, your definition of "game" in this context is not mine. My "game playing", it's kept me alive for 4+ decades. In my context, if I make a mistake in my game, I can be dead when I play for real.
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Let's get back to talking about how to be "gray"!!
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Old 08-22-2011, 15:32   #78
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I dont care if anyone knows Im carrying???? LOL,, thats why I got the permit sillys.

And whats the big deal to keep it a secert? I have some 5.11 clothes that you cant tell are Tactical, unless your in the know.

I pretty much wear shorts/T shirt and sandels all season. With my Remora on my hip skin, it dosnt move. Unless its supper hot and I have been working and sweating, then it gives way.

Otherwise, I love this Holster! And Like another said, I do the same movements when I have my cell phone or keys in my pocket. Hand Checks, or Holds.

More thou,, I love the Idea of being more AWARE in places!!!

Keep it coming with more Ideas and tricks to learn!!!

I have played games several times , on remebering plate numbers... I have gotten pretty good too with retention of several hours.

Numonic Devices are wonders!!!!!!!! She Sold The Boat 949 times.. SSTB 949.

You wont forget that.

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Or SS trailBlazer,,,,, which is < Jeep SRT8,,, I just noticed I wrote out SSTB after I re-read my post... Never mind this tidbit.
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Old 08-22-2011, 15:39   #80
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Thank you Sam Spade, you always provide valuable information.

Last year I had a not so concealed carry “Lessons Learned” moment provided by a garage door installer.

I carry when I’m in my own home. Most of the time I just slip a sub-compact GLOCK or J-frame Smith into my pocket with a pocket holster.

I had a garage door replaced. When the tech arrived, I grabbed my GLOCK 19 in its Nemesis holster and put it in my pocket. I can carry the mid-size GLOCKs without a problem, in my pocket in most of my jeans.

This particular pair however had shallow pockets. The gun protruded from the pocket ever so slightly.

It was “barely” visible.

When the door replacement was done, as I was signing the paperwork, the tech bumped my gun with his finger and said; “Hey chief, what kind of GLOCK do you have there?”

I tried to play dumb and asked him, “excuse me?”

He pointed at the gun and asked again which model I had.

He said he has G30 and we talked a little about guns. He then smiled and said he thought it was “kinda cool” that I was walking around with a gun in my pocket. I didn’t feel very cool. I felt stupid. Here I was in my own garage, a gun in my pocket and I was caught unawares that the tech had made me. Turns out that “barely visible” might as well be open carry. He was able to tell just from the little piece he saw that it was a gun, and not only that, he knew what make it was.

So I filed this event under Lessons Learned.
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