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Old 08-24-2011, 20:07   #126
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Me carry a gun? Nah... I'm completely unarmed.

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Old 08-24-2011, 20:20   #127
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While I agree with what you say there are people out among us who scream (I have A GUN)

But for me and many other on Glocktalk I have what you might call an elephant in the room with me at all times.
I am 6ft 8in tall, Blonde hair, blue eyes, 340lbs I am not a fat pig I lift all day long for a living so i am muscular. So I am very obvious to people.
I can never take up bank robbery for a hobby

With work boots on I almost hit my head in a lot of doorways There really is no way that I can think of to make myself a (gray man) I just do not blend.

How would you suggest to make me less obvious?
I pocket carry Most of the time A G19 (there is one advantage I Guess)

I suppose most folks do not realize i am carrying because of how tall I am.
You answered your own question. It isn't about being invisible. It's about not giving signals you are carrying.
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Old 08-24-2011, 20:42   #128
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How would you suggest to make me less obvious?
I pocket carry Most of the time A G19 (there is one advantage I Guess)

I suppose most folks do not realize i am carrying because of how tall I am.
Pocket carry. A G19.

If I were taking you to the races, I would tone you down via misdirection. Everyone's going to see you, now make them dismiss you. Wallet goes into the weak-hand back pocket, so you're not stretching material over the strong hand side when you reach for it. Cell phone gets worn support side, to draw eyes away from strong side. Practice using your weak hand for every day tasks so you give the impression of being wrong-handed. People look at movement, so increase the amount of movement that pulls their gaze from the gun. Pleated pants, if you aren't already.

Toss in some lefty tree huggy clothes like a Sierra Club hat.

In another life, I had an assignment amongst a nation of short brown guys. No way I'd pass for a native, so I worked at being Canadian, eh? Didn't get killed, so it went in the "win" column.
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Old 08-24-2011, 22:25   #129
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I pocket carry Most of the time A G19.
Not too many folks can pull that off, but at 6'8" and 340 lbs., I'd reckon you've got some big pockets.
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Miami, with so many tourists, provides a good cover for fanny-packs. It is still consider a fashion no-no by most locals. Still, if you go out with one and your attitude is that you donít care you actually call less attention to yourself. If youíre self-conscious you accomplish the opposite. A few times Iíve noticed being observed, the best course of action at that point is to take out my compact and refresh my lipstick (both of which came from my fanny pack). That has worked nearly every time, I guess the person observing assumes the rest of the contents is what a woman would have normally carried in a purse and just loose interest. There have been a couple of times when I knew I was still being watched, one of those times I risked direct eye contact with small head nod and a smile implying a ďHiĒ. I think the man was a tad embarrassed he got caught looking, smiled back and left the area. For the most part I try to project the message I want the other person to receive without acknowledging that Iím aware of their presence.

I enjoy people watching, best place for this are the food courts at the mall, airports and the like. I try to sit where there is little or no traffic behind me. The objective is to observe others without being noticed. If Iím on the move there is too much for me to absorb (continuous changing of scenery and all) to actually observe people in great detail.

As Sam stated in post #14 observing others without letting them know you are doing it (unless you want them to know) is not all that difficult. If you are a beginner a cup with a straw is an excellent cover to allow your head some less restrictive motion; using the cup, straw as your perceived point of focus as you scan whatís beyond it works. Pick on someone that is not distracted to test yourself, see how many times you can bring them to your field of vision without them noticing, extend the duration of each glance to increase difficulty. Remember to not focus directly on them; things around them would be ok (your eyes can briefly scan over them if you select a destination on the other side to stop); bringing your own hand up to carefully look at your nails, in reality your are using that as a cover to look at something else. This is not really using your peripheral vision as you are not truly focused on whatever youíre looking at, that is just as a fake focus point while youíre truly glancing on what is beyond it.

I may not be able to tell you minute details but Iíll know the gender, what they were wearing, clothing color, hair style (long, short, straight, curly), height, etc. Unless I actually looked at them briefly I would not know eye color, nose and lip shapes and the like.

Even with a fanny-pack and high heels you can go under the radar if you are projecting the right message to others. I donít really care if police officers know Iím carrying so I have no issue with giving a nod and a smile, but I wonít risk it if Iím in crowded place where I havenít accessed all my surroundings.

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Old 08-25-2011, 05:18   #131
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A few times Iíve noticed being observed, the best course of action at that point is to take out my compact and refresh my lipstick (both of which came from my fanny pack). That has worked nearly every time,
Gee, how do you pull that off? Whenever I take out my compact and refresh my lipstick it seems to draw a lot of attention.

Sorry, Misty, it was just too good a shot to miss!
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:34   #132
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Gee, how do you pull that off? Whenever I take out my compact and refresh my lipstick it seems to draw a lot of attention.

Sorry, Misty, it was just too good a shot to miss!
That goes to show you that not every act of distraction will work for everyone. Your overall appearance and surroundings will dictate what could work at any given time.

I bet I can pull the damsel in distress act a tad more successfully than you can too! (or at least I hope that is the case)


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Gee, how do you pull that off? Whenever I take out my compact and refresh my lipstick it seems to draw a lot of attention.

Sorry, Misty, it was just too good a shot to miss!

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That goes to show you that not every act of distraction will work for everyone. Your overall appearance and surroundings will dictate what could work at any given time.

I bet I can pull the damsel in distress act a tad more successfully than you can too! (or at least I hope that is the case)


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David, pics, please...

Nah.....,you'd just post them on the internet for everyone to see!
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Old 08-25-2011, 10:53   #135
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Gee, how do you pull that off? Whenever I take out my compact and refresh my lipstick it seems to draw a lot of attention.

Sorry, Misty, it was just too good a shot to miss!
For someone usually so serious and analytical, that was pretty darn funny Mr. Armstrong!
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For someone usually so serious and analytical, that was pretty darn funny Mr. Armstrong!
Thanks. I have my moments!
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Pocket carry. A G19.

If I were taking you to the races, I would tone you down via misdirection. Everyone's going to see you, now make them dismiss you. Wallet goes into the weak-hand back pocket, so you're not stretching material over the strong hand side when you reach for it. Cell phone gets worn support side, to draw eyes away from strong side. Practice using your weak hand for every day tasks so you give the impression of being wrong-handed. People look at movement, so increase the amount of movement that pulls their gaze from the gun. Pleated pants, if you aren't already.

Toss in some lefty tree huggy clothes like a Sierra Club hat.

In another life, I had an assignment amongst a nation of short brown guys. No way I'd pass for a native, so I worked at being Canadian, eh? Didn't get killed, so it went in the "win" column.
I keep my wallet on my left side front pocket if i am driving more than walking but back pocket if I am walking a lot.
My cell phone I keep in my left hand and would be used to strike or throw at a person if necessary in order to distract them, I never put it on my belt. sometimes when I where cargo shorts(the tree huggy yuppie kind) I keep it in the the cargo pocket.
I do try and keep my right hand empty at all times.

Here is the thing for what ever reason people feel compelled to talk to me I am not really sure why. This is something that happens to a lot of tall guys.
People need to always ask about my sports history "did you play basketball?"
"how tall are you?" What do you weigh? If I had your height I would be[fill the blank], blah blah blah.

So That for me is the unusual thing about carrying for me people feel like its ok to get inside of my comfort zone more often than i would like, 99% mean no harm but there is always that one guy who is trying to take advantage.

SO far there has been a lot of good advice and I thank you for your info you always seem to have good info on a variety of subjects.
So I am glad you made it through your tour with the pygmies.


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Not too many folks can pull that off, but at 6'8" and 340 lbs., I'd reckon you've got some big pockets.
The trick is find pants/shorts with the right size pockets.
I have fairly good size hands so my hands and the 19 have to fit in there at the same time.
Believe it or not I use a blackhawk holster with all the stuff taken off(except the retention lock) for a pocket holster.
I can grab the 19 with my right hand with my index finger on the outside of the pocket press the lock and it comes out in one motion.
Its not as fast as when I carry a G17 at 4:00 but its not to bad. and way more comfortable.
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Haven't read this whole thread, but I would second the 5.11 pants are a dead givaway. I wear them for work almost every day, and as soon as you see them you know its a LEO.

I actually got made going home from work one day, a group of 5 mopes starting talking crap to me, then one of them looked at me and said "don't F with him, hes a cop, he's got those cop pants on"

If you are looking, its very easy to tell a CC usually in my opinion, and someone comes through lockup almost every day for carrying concealed without a license, not really too hard to spot if you know what your looking for it.
What is a 'mope'?
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A mope is a more advanced dope...thus mope. Not advanced in the sense that they've raised the bar on being a dope, but rather have lowered it to a new all time low


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On a more serious note

Some thoughts

This thread has given me more food for thought than any has in quite some time. I find myself being more aware of my surroundings but not in an obtrusive way. It's an interesting exercise in 'balance' between staying alert not looking like a victim and blending in.

I'm becoming more successful at blending in. For example yesterday at the grocery store 'Johnny Rambo' dressed in camo pants and gun T-shirt stood with his back to the far wall 'waiting' for his wife. While he 'ahem' took point without realizing it, the rest of us kind gentle souls did our shopping in peace and quiet with no notice from Johnny.

So that brings up, maybe, another way of 'blending' in, misdirection. Here is a guy who shouts 'gun' drawing the attention of those who aren't totally blind.

Do you think the Johnny Rambo's of this world help the gray guy blend in better by bringing attention to themselves? Or is it making people think more about concealed carry in general and thus maybe more alert to others?
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Some thoughts

This thread has given me more food for thought than any has in quite some time. I find myself being more aware of my surroundings but not in an obtrusive way. It's an interesting exercise in 'balance' between staying alert not looking like a victim and blending in.

I'm becoming more successful at blending in. For example yesterday at the grocery store 'Johnny Rambo' dressed in camo pants and gun T-shirt stood with his back to the far wall 'waiting' for his wife. While he 'ahem' took point without realizing it, the rest of us kind gentle souls did our shopping in peace and quiet with no notice from Johnny.

So that brings up, maybe, another way of 'blending' in, misdirection. Here is a guy who shouts 'gun' drawing the attention of those who aren't totally blind.

Do you think the Johnny Rambo's of this world help the gray guy blend in better by bringing attention to themselves? Or is it making people think more about concealed carry in general and thus maybe more alert to others?
That was good, UtahIrishman. I believe people generally divert little attention to what is going on around them unless it is something as obvious as what you described. In that case, people may not be able to resist focusing on that person. That is likely to be good for everyone else. Conversely, someone that stands there on guard as this gentleman seems to have done might be someone Iíll scan a few more times that I would scan someone else to see if he is focusing on anyone in particular. I work at not being so obvious and may inadvertently miss something that he may not.

It happens when you go somewhere where there are police officers or guards, once you have identified them, if they are focusing on something, among the first instincts is to identify what caught their attention. Depending on what it is, it may map a direction you donít walk toward while paying a little more attention at what they could have missed and/or the path with least traffic to the closest exit. They may have to stay to handle whatever problem arises, I certainly donít.

It is ok (in my book) to let others do some of the work for me Johnny Rambo, security guards, officers, etc. Someone that is overtly focusing on someone else will get a little attention from me too, just not to the point where I lose sight of all else around me, quite the contrary.

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This thread has given me more food for thought than any has in quite some time. I find myself being more aware of my surroundings but not in an obtrusive way. It's an interesting exercise in 'balance' between staying alert not looking like a victim and blending in.
You have no idea how much that pleases me. Did Russ put you up to posting this? (I kid on that last.)
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You have no idea how much that pleases me. Did Russ put you up to posting this? (I kid on that last.)
Many of us (ok me) have a lot to learn, Sam. You have no clue how attentive I am of your posts and that of others that share what they know to improve our odds out there.

I liked this one for multiple reasons; one of them being that people watching is one of pastimes wherever I go, even before I started carrying. It has been interesting to give it multi-purpose and utilize it for something meaningful.

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There have been a couple of times when I knew I was still being watched, one of those times I risked direct eye contact with small head nod and a smile implying a ďHiĒ. I think the man was a tad embarrassed he got caught looking, smiled back and left the area. For the most part I try to project the message I want the other person to receive without acknowledging that Iím aware of their presence.
I can only wonder if the messages being sent and received were the ones intended.

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I can only wonder if the messages being sent and received were the ones intended.

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HEYYYY! What are you implying?!?

I had not noticed his facial features until I made direct eye contact and he was definitely not unpleasant to look at. In my defense, I didn’t know that until I allowed myself to focus on his face so I’m NOT taking the rap for sending the message you might be implying. So there!

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You have no idea how much that pleases me. Did Russ put you up to posting this? (I kid on that last.)
Me? Nooooo... No, really, no, I didn't, really!!
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