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Old 09-13-2011, 05:49   #21
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God already did.

He made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve!
Please leave the god freak stuff elsewhere, thanks.

Funny thing thing is my best and most loyal friends are gay or lesbian, some of the worst people i've met are people like you. I live in the south not by choice and I have to put up with this church church church crap all day long at work and wherever I go, i do NOT need it on here too.

I support gay rights 100%

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Old 09-13-2011, 05:54   #22
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The local paper ran an online poll asking if gay marriage should be banned in NC. 75% of those who responded to the poll says yes.
Of course, once it reaches the polls and the people have spoken against gay marriage some court will come along and declare it unconstitutional.
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:56   #23
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An interesting observation about this thread: both sides of the debate are making moral pronouncements whether they admit it or not.

That is all.
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:56   #24
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It would also be nice to get religion out of gummint...
I really don't see religion as being in gummint. Can you expand on your thought a little?
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:03   #25
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The local paper ran an online poll asking if gay marriage should be banned in NC. 75% of those who responded to the poll says yes.
Of course, once it reaches the polls and the people have spoken against gay marriage some court will come along and declare it unconstitutional.
Because it obviously IS unconstitutional.

Check out the 14th amendment...

This is not without precedent.

I'm sure that if you took a poll in 1950's NC there would have been overwhelming support for restricting African Americans' rights.

And though a very popular opinion at that time, it would have been just as wrong (and Un-American) as restricting rights based on sexual orientation.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:06   #26
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I really don't see religion as being in gummint. Can you expand on your thought a little?
You must be kidding!

Check out every single blue law anywhere in this country... they all mandate restrictions on Sunday. You think the choice of that day is coincidental?

If religion wasn't in government, why would we even be debating gay marriage? The only objections to gay marriage are based on religious beliefs.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:07   #27
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You have to admit. Politicans aren't the smartest bunch...but they sure are sly.

They will have you fighting over this for months or even years...and all the while they will rob your state blind.


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God already did.

He made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve!
Adam and Eve were I assume of the same race. Given this logic, the states eventually will try and define marriage as legal only between members of the same race....

Completely serious question: did Adam and Eve ever technically get married?
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:07   #28
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Fine. The same crowd of debauched abnormals lost even in krazifornia. Let them spend their money in NC. It's leave them less to spend in support of left-wing liberal demokrats in 2012.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:07   #29
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God already did.

He made Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve!
So who exactly did Adam bang in order to continue the species?
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:08   #30
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An interesting observation about this thread: both sides of the debate are making moral pronouncements whether they admit it or not.

That is all.

I am saying that it is immoral to restrict someone's rights based on their sexual orientation.

And I am saying that it is immoral for a religious zealot to attempt to force his/her beliefs on others.

Is that what you meant?
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:12   #31
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In my estimation, GT stock just went up >50%, based on feedback here.

To define an individual by what goes on in his/her bedroom is as ludicrous as being defined by skin color, eye color, height, weight, or ability to sing. And, for the government to withhold citizens' rights from those who have different leanings in sex, politics, or sports preference is just wrong on every level.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:21   #32
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Hopefully my state is smart enough not to get involved with stupid crap like this.
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Hopefully my state is smart enough not to get involved with stupid crap like this.
What stupid crap would that be?
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:27   #34
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Is this topic related to the OP being a purple pirate?
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"[BIsn't there that thing called separation of religion and state?][/B]

Its not in any of this nation's founding documents and it never was.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:33   #36
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If the politicians were serious about protecting the sanctity of marriage, they'd propose a state constitutional amendment outlawing divorce. Pretty sure that's not going to happen.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:34   #37
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From the time I was very little, I have found a particular type of person attractive: female, blonde, pretty eyes, feminine, etc. I had crushes on my kindergarten teacher, Miss Fisher, and on Jenny L. in 1st grade, both of whom met this conventional standard. In other words, I know I've been straight for as long as I have memories of being alive. I'm wired to like pretty women.

Now, if someone tried to tell me to look at a guy and feel attraction, it simply would never, ever work. Call me wrong, beat me up, lock me in a room, whatever; you would never, ever be able to convince me that a man is sexually attractive. It's just not possible.

So, I figure, it is with gay people. It's not a choice; it's either genetic or conditioned very early in development (or some combination) .
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:37   #38
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I think this is gonna turn nasty in a hurry.
this.
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"[BIsn't there that thing called separation of religion and state?][/B]

Its not in any of this nation's founding documents and it never was.
That specific phrase is not found in the constitution, but the constitution does prohibit the establishment of an official religion.

In the First Amendment we find:

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

The separation phrase was coined by Thomas Jefferson, one of the framers of the constitution, and the intent of the constitution's framers is clear, as it's spelled out in the first amendment.

No matter how much religious zealots would like to drag us back into ignorance, we will not have an official religion,and there WILL be a wall of separation between church and state.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:39   #40
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People say no one would choose to be gay. But homosexuality is nothing more than sinful behavior. No different than my lustful thoughts, greed, lying, cheating, stealing, etc. To say that no one would ever choose to do these things is simply ridiculous.

Where Christians go wrong is in thinking that someone who is homosexual is a bomb that might go off at any time and get "ickey" all over them. They are people, just like me, with a nature that tempts them to perversion of what is right.

The reason this becomes such a hot topic is that the gay lobby is moving to use government to sanction their perversion and force the rest of the society to celebrate it. I hide my perversions in the closet, admit them at appropriate times and strive every day to do better.

I treat gay persons just like I treat everyone else. I know some who are. If they are openly flaunting it and demanding that I celebrate their sin, then I say something in the same manner I would if someone admitted cheating on their taxes or screwing around on their wife. If they persist in their demands, I slowly choose to spend less time with them.
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