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10-12-2011, 06:09
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While not illegal what you are doing certainly brushes up against some ethical boundaries. Frankly I am surprised, Quake. You seem from your postings to be an honorable man, active in Church and a role model to the youths in your area. You also own a business. How would you feel if this happened to you and your product was listed at less than your cost?
Is this your way of sticking it to corporate america because in your opinion Grainger can afford to lose some dough?
Just my 2 cents. Flame suit activated.
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10-12-2011, 06:38
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Originally Posted by sebecman
While not illegal what you are doing certainly brushes up against some ethical boundaries. Frankly I am surprised, Quake. You seem from your postings to be an honorable man, active in Church and a role model to the youths in your area. You also own a business. How would you feel if this happened to you and your product was listed at less than your cost?
Is this your way of sticking it to corporate america because in your opinion Grainger can afford to lose some dough?
Just my 2 cents. Flame suit activated.
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It just show how much it takes to buy his integrity.
Most ads have wording saying to effect that they are not responsible for misprints.
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10-12-2011, 08:18
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First, I respect anyone with integrity and respect your position.
Second, I seriously doubt it's less than their cost. Most likely that "misprint" was someone listing it at their price. The pricing markup on things would surprise a lot of people. If they are losing money it's probably not much.
Second, the company chose to honor it...he has every right to ask for it at that price since they sent him an order confirmation. I spoke with an agent when I placed my order on Friday who assured me the price was right and they were getting them back in stock. Things changed this weekend...probably when they realized the huge demand.
Don't blame Quake for wanting a company to honor their agreement. He didn't know it was a pricing error when he sent the order and they are choosing to honor it. From what I've seen on here he is a good guy. Let's not be so quick to jump on him.
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10-12-2011, 08:28
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some good links in here. tagged for future fun.
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10-12-2011, 08:56
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No offense to anyone, and I know that you guys are ok with each other, but this is a really nice idea for a thread "Good Deals" and it would be best IMHO if we left it at that, there are plenty of threads for all of the other issues that come up between us.
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10-12-2011, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Lone Kimono
I called and the person I spoke to said they were on back order, but I would be getting them  We'll see what happens! Fingers crossed! |
PM sent.
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10-12-2011, 11:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sebecman
While not illegal what you are doing certainly brushes up against some ethical boundaries. Frankly I am surprised, Quake. You seem from your postings to be an honorable man, active in Church and a role model to the youths in your area. You also own a business. How would you feel if this happened to you and your product was listed at less than your cost?
Is this your way of sticking it to corporate america because in your opinion Grainger can afford to lose some dough?
Just my 2 cents. Flame suit activated.
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No flame suit necessary, and no ethical issues that I can see.  They advertised a price and I placed an order for a single unit at that sale price; I'm not trying to take some kind of unfair advantage of their mistake. I asked them if they'd honor the sale at that price, and they said they would; I appreciate that, but it's not as though I can force them into it.
If someone (either us, or a newspaper, etc) makes a mistake on an ad, a person asks if I'll honor it and I choose to do so, does that make the purchaser unethical? I personally don't think so.
Read my posts - nowhere did I say they 'had to', 'must', or even 'should' honor that price, and it's not like I threatened to sue them or never do business with them again if they chose not to. I said that I "seriously hope" they do. To be fair, I did say that I wish I'd ordered more than one, but again, they have the option of whether or not to ship them out at that price. I'm sure they have a standard "not responsible for misprints" disclaimer as most vendors do, and they absolutely have the option of invoking that at any time; still do for that matter.
This isn't (imo, anyway) someone taking advantage of some little old lady on a used car that's actually a collector's item. They buy & sell these for a living, they know what they pay for them, and they agreed to a price, a price that they had (and still have) the option of taking or not taking.
Free market, free choice; they (or I), can cancel the transaction at will.
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10-12-2011, 11:04
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Originally Posted by Dexters
It just show how much it takes to buy his integrity.
Most ads have wording saying to effect that they are not responsible for misprints.
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Wow. My response in my head goes back & forth between "See response to sebecman above", "Glad you know so much about me", and something that's borderline unprintable; so I'll stick with "See response to sebecman above."
I'm in people's homes regularly, I have in my office the security codes to more than 1,300 alarm systems, and we also have the front door keys to probably 150-200 extremely nice lake homes, where the owners are absent most of the time. We keep the keys here in our secured facility as a courtesy for our customers (without charge mind you), so their termite people & such can come by and check them in and out as needed.
My point is simply this - with all that opportunity to go "parasite" if I wanted to, it's my integrity that all those people count on most of all. And my integrity is obviously not for sale for the price of a pair of binoculars; if it could be had that cheap, there'd be a lot of cleaned-out lake homes around here. So again, "See response to sebecman above."
And I really must say "thank you" for immediately jumping to accusational pontifications. Well done young man; you really don't know anything about me. 
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10-13-2011, 09:25
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Quake,
Classy responses. I almost jumped into the argument yesterday but figured you didn't need anybody to speak for you.
Ron
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10-13-2011, 11:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rwrjr
Quake,
Classy responses. I almost jumped into the argument yesterday but figured you didn't need anybody to speak for you.
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+1. wasnt me being in the crosshairs but it still struck a nerve.
To stay on topic, Palmetto State Armory has FGGM .308 for $20.95/20. the older 7.62 version is 19.95/20. this doesnt appear to even be a sale but most everywhere else i see it, it runs 35-40/box.
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10-13-2011, 15:35
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Fwiw - CDNN handgun specials. Several days old, but didn't think to post it here when I got the email Monday or Tuesday:
http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=...4&e=cbdbb9bae6
CZ-82 9x18's for $189 and 5906's for $299; plus whatever your shipping & dealer costs are. Others as well, but those struck me as the bang-for-buck winners on the page..
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10-13-2011, 16:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by quake
Fwiw - CDNN handgun specials. Several days old, but didn't think to post it here when I got the email Monday or Tuesday:
http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=...4&e=cbdbb9bae6
CZ-82 9x18's for $189 and 5906's for $299; plus whatever your shipping & dealer costs are. Others as well, but those struck me as the bang-for-buck winners on the page.. |
Corrected link
Fixed the link for you...
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10-13-2011, 16:41
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Thanks - copy & paste error on my part I imagine.
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10-16-2011, 09:23
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10-16-2011, 10:59
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I wish we had a stickied thread like this. I've started one or two. They ALWAYS die after a month or two...
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10-16-2011, 23:15
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Skeletool is down to $33.88. May have to check one out.
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10-16-2011, 23:19
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Originally Posted by emt1581
I wish we had a stickied thread like this. I've started one or two. They ALWAYS die after a month or two...
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With Black Friday and Cyber Monday coming it should be jumping for a while.
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10-17-2011, 05:20
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A smartphone is a major EDC for me and you can trade in your old iPhone at Radio Shack and Best Buy. I traded a couple of 8GB 3Gs at Radio Shack and they gave me $100 each for them towards a couple of $200 16GB 4Gs, total cost of $100 per phone. Vastly improved smartphone.
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10-19-2011, 04:25
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If you don't mind waiting a loooong time for free delivery, and have no moral objection to doing business with a Hong Kong business, this Outdoor Portable Ultra Mini Stainless Steel Gas Stove with a Case (around $8) is a great deal. It's built well, and performs as well as my $40 LiteMax stoves. Locally, I found isobutane canisters pretty cheap at WalMart. I use the combination on some of my backpacking trips, but they have served me well during two extended power outages over the past Spring and Summer.
If you shop around on eBay, the Quansheng TG-UV2 multi band transceiver is a pretty good deal, at around $70 ~ $90. FM: 88-108MHz (RX); VHF: 136-174MHz (RX/TX); UHF1: 350-390MHz (RX/TX); UHF2: 400-470MHz (RX/TX); UHF3: 470-520MHz (RX). It's great for listening to local chatter, at the low setting folks can legally TX on MURS without a license, and these have since started replacing the similar Yaesu radios at one of my job sites, for use on our leased UHF frequency.
If you're thinking of EDC or backup smartphone, and get decent coverage from the Sprint network, Virgin Mobile's LG Optimus V Android handset is pretty nice. I hear of recent deals around $100 ~ $130 (I paid $140 for mine, back in June). There's no contract required. The phone can be used on wi-fi, even if you haven't activated it on Virgin Mobile. The cheapest service option is $25 for unlimited data, text, and a generous 300 anytime minute package. It's a very capable Android 2.2.1 handset, which I've been using for a few months now. I have my older deactivated Virgin Mobile phones tucked away in my cars, or in my bags, for emergency calls (deactivated phones still dial 9-1-1). I have a pre-paid Virgin Mobile card in my wallet, which I can use to activate any of the phones, should I need it. Since I use Google Voice, it's easy to have my number forward around to different handsets, in the event I need to switch around. There are tons of apps that would come in handy in a pinch, even if phone and internet services were inaccessible.
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10-19-2011, 06:21
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Raiden - what gas cylinders does that little stove take? Looks like it's threaded for propane cylinders, but it lists "LP gas" and I don't recognize the white bottle used in the demo video.
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10-19-2011, 06:31
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Folding Cot $39
Here is a "Slumberjack" folding cot for $39 at Woot today.
Link to cot
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10-19-2011, 07:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by quake
Raiden - what gas cylinders does that little stove take? Looks like it's threaded for propane cylinders, but it lists "LP gas" and I don't recognize the white bottle used in the demo video.
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Note that it doesn't say the BTU output and in the comments people say it uses a lot of gas.
Using a lot of gas is an issue when backpacking, do you risk running out of gas or carry more weight. Also, how well does it work in cold conditions.
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