2012: What have you done this week to prepare? - Page 5

***RWBlue*** · 02-11-2012, 18:02

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Originally Posted by emt1581

I wanted a DeGroat Nano in the worst way when it came out... not sure if I read bad reviews or what but my interest died down a bit. Still, a multi-caliber can that was effective would be awesome!! Usually the best results are had with cans made for a specific caliber and sometimes specific gun.

My Gem-Tech is nice but I HATE the fact that I can't take it apart to clean. In a few years I'll probably bite the bullet and have it converted to one I can take apart. I know a company or two offers the upgrade since only the outer tube is actually registered.

-Emt1581

With most things, silencers are about trade offs.
1. $$$
2. how quiet
3. use with more than one cartridge.
4. maintenance

Based on what I have read....
Degrote
1. $$$=ok
2. how quiet=ok, but there are better
3. use with more than one cartridge.= pretty good.
4. maintenance=not good for an all day range session, but great for one box of 22LR and then a box of 9mm.

***RWBlue*** · 02-11-2012, 18:05

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Originally Posted by emt1581

No place to shoot it?? What, do some ranges not allow suppressors?? That seems bass ackwards to me.

I'd love a 9mm suppressor to btw...

-Emt1581

All I have right now are indoor ranges with other people shooting.

I have access to a government range, but....that is a much longer story.

emt1581 · 02-11-2012, 18:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWBlue

With most things, silencers are about trade offs.
1. $$$
2. how quiet
3. use with more than one cartridge.
4. maintenance

Based on what I have read....
Degrote
1. $$$=ok
2. how quiet=ok, but there are better
3. use with more than one cartridge.= pretty good.
4. maintenance=not good for an all day range session, but great for one box of 22LR and then a box of 9mm.

What's interesting about the Nano is that there are ZERO reviews on youtube for this thing! Just the ones DeGroat himself put up a year and two ago...

I've got other prep-priorities right now but another suppressor is definitely on the list for the future...

-Emt1581

SRT76 · 02-12-2012, 07:32

Been 3 months since last post.

Purchased an AK. Very basic Polish model.
Bought a Rem 870 of an LEO buddy. Night sites, mag extender, sling and side saddle.
Remodeled our dining room into a walk in pantry. HUGE increase to our food storage ability. Been slowly filling it up as we find good deals.
Layered in some ammo and new mags.
Still debt free for over a year and savings still increasing.
Got promoted so increased 401k the amount of my raise.

jarubla · 02-18-2012, 15:22

Been reading a lot on gardening and foraging. Tons of books out there on amazon dot com

Also been reading a LOT on survivalblog dot com

Bought the kids new coats and shoes

Bought some more boolits

Finally, bought some barter items (single serve coffee, coughdrops, etc) for trading if we get to be anything like Greece.

-Jay

LongGun1 · 02-18-2012, 20:32

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Originally Posted by quake

A bit. I love the silly abraxas. Even on the 19, it's still about as small a package as the old Norrell Ruger suppressed .22LR pistol.

Your Norrell/Ruger reminds me of my PAI/Ruger....here seen in recoil...

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Originally Posted by quake

Think about that - a 15-shot suppressed 9mm, roughly the same size and same quietness as a 10-shot .22LR pistol, and the suppressor on the 9mm is even small enough that you can still actually use the gun's factory sights to shoot; that in itself is rare on a centerfire suppressor.

Yes....one reason I like the Abraxis & Osprey!

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Originally Posted by quake

Using the abraxas on a G26, the overall suppressed 9mm package is actually smaller than the .22 pistol is:

Good comparison shot...

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Originally Posted by quake

You do lose some of the compactness though, when 'properly' set up for the coming zombie-squirrel invasion:

Nice zombie squirrel setup!

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Originally Posted by quake

You found a 9mm carbine to use it on yet? That's a hoot, especially with night-vision and an infrared laser/dot dbal setup. This is an old pic, when it was just a normal red dot on the gun. The IR dbal is a huge new world on this gun; makes it a majorly fun night time critter-getter:

Does an IMI Uzi count?

The DBAL & NVD is a real hoot to shoot at night!

I have a pair of DBAL-A2 on the integral Charger SBRs....

..plan on getting more in the future!

LongGun1 · 02-18-2012, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by emt1581

I wanted a DeGroat Nano in the worst way when it came out... not sure if I read bad reviews or what but my interest died down a bit. Still, a multi-caliber can that was effective would be awesome!! Usually the best results are had with cans made for a specific caliber and sometimes specific gun.

My Gem-Tech is nice but I HATE the fact that I can't take it apart to clean. In a few years I'll probably bite the bullet and have it converted to one I can take apart. I know a company or two offers the upgrade since only the outer tube is actually registered.

-Emt1581

Yes, the Nano is compact...

..but I will pass on 148.2 db WET using 158 gr subsonics!

Unsuppressed is 159.3 db

Lots of wait time & expense for only 11.1 db of suppression!

Though my .40 Osprey is much larger.. http://www.silencerco.com/?section=P...sprey-Assembly

..it features user changeable mounts, is also multi-caliber, the rectangular profile is OEM iron sight & bottom mount light/laser friendly, & other innovative features...

..but also has really respectable 9mm & .40 ear safe sound suppression when DRY numbers...!

.40 Osprey
161db unsuppressed with .40
127db w/40
Dry 34 db suppression with 180 gr .40
160 db unsuppressed with 9mm
124.9db w/9mm
Dry 35.1 db suppression with 147 gr 9mm

9mm Osprey
160db unsuppressed
124.9db w/9mm
Dry 35.1 db suppression with 147 gr 9mm

Fantastic numbers with 9mm out of a .40 suppressor...IMO!
And even better numbers can be achieved wet!

But....If going compact & wet in 9mm..

..the AWC Abraxis is & will continue to be my choice!

emt1581 · 02-18-2012, 21:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongGun1

Yes, the Nano is compact...

..but I will pass on 148.2 db WET using 158 gr subsonics!

Unsuppressed is 159.3 db

Lots of wait time & expense for only 11.1 db of suppression!

Though my .40 Osprey is much larger..

..it features user disassembly, is also multi-caliber, OEM iron sight & bottom mount light/laser friendly, & other innovative features...

..but also has really respectable ear safe sound suppression when DRY numbers...!

.40 Osprey
161db unsuppressed with .40
127db w/40
Dry 34 db suppression with 180 gr .40
160 db unsuppressed with 9mm
124.9db w/9mm
Dry 35.1 db suppression with 147 gr 9mm

9mm Osprey
160db unsuppressed
124.9db w/9mm
Dry 35.1 db suppression with 147 gr 9mm

Fantastic numbers with 9mm out of a .40 suppressor...IMO!
And even better numbers can be achieved wet!

If going compact & wet in 9mm..

..the AWC Abraxis is & will continue to be my choice!

Wet, my Outback II is pretty quiet...like bolt racking quiet. However, dry it is still softer than unsuppressed.

Personally, for the purposes of functionality (offensive/defensive), I would not be opposed to using wipes in order to avoid having to spray the can before using it.

But I have not researched suppressor technology in a few years and right now, I'm good with weaponry and focusing on other areas of S&P. Areas covered so far this year have been armor, blades, transportation, etc.

I think I've bought my last gun/weapon for a while. My dealer is probably thinking I'm dead...

-Emt1581

quake · 02-18-2012, 22:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongGun1

Your Norrell/Ruger reminds me of my PAI/Ruger....

...Does an IMI Uzi count?

The DBAL & NVD is a real hoot to shoot at night!

I have a pair of DBAL-A2 on the integral Charger SBRs....

..plan on getting more in the future!

Ok, well you just suck.

quake · 02-18-2012, 22:38

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Originally Posted by emt1581

...Personally, for the purposes of functionality (offensive/defensive), I would not be opposed to using wipes in order to avoid having to spray the can before using it...

Fwiw, a 'wet' suppressor can be stored charged & ready for use. I use standard white lithium grease, and just charge the suppressor when done using it. Then when I want to use it, I can just attach it and it's at its optimum state with no hassle or set-up required.

For range-session use, to avoid the hassle of detaching-charging-reattaching, I simply set a bucket of water on or by the shooting bench and just dunk the attached suppressor in there every time the slide locks back on an empty magazine. No detaching necessary, and just a lot less hassle when putting a large number of rounds thru it at one sitting.

runcible68 · 02-18-2012, 22:39

My girlfriend and I reorganized a large closet in our home into a pantry/supply closet. Now we call it "The Bunker." When we counted all the stuff we had, we've got at least 10 days worth of water (And a water purification system of filters and tablets) and three weeks worth of food. After we up the water supply to 14 days, I'll pretty happy with what we've got for our situation. And most of the foodstuffs are what we normally eat anyway. With the emergency ration bars and MRE's we probably actually have 4 weeks of food.

And I've got quite a few bullets and TP!

emt1581 · 02-18-2012, 22:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by quake

Fwiw, a 'wet' suppressor can be stored charged & ready for use. I use standard white lithium grease, and just charge the suppressor when done using it. Then when I want to use it, I can just attach it and it's at its optimum state with no hassle or set-up required.

For range-session use, to avoid the hassle of detaching-charging-reattaching, I simply set a bucket of water on or by the shooting bench and just dunk the attached suppressor in there every time the slide locks back on an empty magazine. No detaching necessary, and just a lot less hassle when putting a large number of rounds thru it at one sitting.

I use CLP.

Never heard of white lithium grease. Can I use that and let it sit for months?

Never detach mine to "charge" it either. Never tried just plain old water.

Thanks

-Emt1581

LongGun1 · 02-18-2012, 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by emt1581

Wet, my Outback II is pretty quiet...like bolt racking quiet. However, dry it is still softer than unsuppressed.

Personally, for the purposes of functionality (offensive/defensive), I would not be opposed to using wipes in order to avoid having to spray the can before using it.

But I have not researched suppressor technology in a few years and right now, I'm good with weaponry and focusing on other areas of S&P. Areas covered so far this year have been armor, blades, transportation, etc.

I think I've bought my last gun/weapon for a while. My dealer is probably thinking I'm dead...

-Emt1581

Over the years...I get really into weapons systems...then cool off..

..but with the more recent innovations in suppressor technology

.. & new models I think it is a good time to be back "in"!

The Outback II (now IID) is still a great can..

..but after research into my needs...(5.7 being a major consideration)

...the Silencerco Sparrow came out on top... http://www.silencerco.com/?section=P...s&page=Sparrow

.. multi-caliber (.22 LR, .17 HMR, .22 Mag, .22 WMR & 5.7×28 FNH), features user disassembly, full auto rated, & 41 db of suppression...dry, stainless steel but only 6.5 oz.

emt1581 · 02-18-2012, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongGun1

Over the years...I get really into weapons systems...then cool off..

..but with the more recent innovations in suppressor technology & new models I think it is a good time to be "in"!

The Outback II (now IID) is still a great can..

..but my most recent .22 LR is the Sparrow...

.. multi-caliber (.22 LR, .17 HMR, .22 Mag, .22 WMR & 5.7×28 FNH), features user disassembly, full auto rated, & 41 db of suppression...dry, stainless steel but only 6.5 oz.

Seems like the only area the OBII wins is in weight. The biggest PITA is the fact that is can't be taken apart to clean.

It works just fine for .22lr. The next can I get will be for the 9mm. No question about it.

Now let's stop this convo before you make me broke and my wife pissed.

-Emt1581

LongGun1 · 02-18-2012, 23:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by quake

Ok, well you just suck.

quake · 02-18-2012, 23:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by emt1581

I use CLP.

Never heard of white lithium grease. Can I use that and let it sit for months?

Never detach mine to "charge" it either. Never tried just plain old water.

Thanks

-Emt1581

White lithium grease comes in a tube, like an oversized toothpaste tube; usually found in auto parts stores, Lowe's, etc.

They do make an aerosol version that I tried once, but never again as its propellant was flammable. Made for an interesting sound & light show when I tried it. (I guess you could use the aerosol version for storage use, if you gave it enough time to air out the propellant gasses before using.)

You do have to use a charger to use lithium grease or similar. It's like a modified syringe that has a long nozzle, and the grease (or whatever coolant) is ejected out the sides of the nozzle rather than the end like a needle; which gets the grease out sideways, into the baffles.

Another very good coolant is wire-pulling lube, usually found at electrical supply houses, but can also be had at Lowe's. But it's more liquid-y than the lithium grease, and I don't trust it to stay in place (and out of the bullet's path) if left in there to set up a long while.

Never used break-free in the suppressors; I'll check into that.

LongGun1 · 02-18-2012, 23:05

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Originally Posted by emt1581

Now let's stop this convo before you make me broke and my wife pissed.

-Emt1581

Trust me...

..y'all would not be the first!

As far as 9mm silencers..

..take a look at the AAC Ti-rant & the Silencerco 9mm Osprey...

..really sweet cans!

emt1581 · 02-18-2012, 23:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongGun1

Trust me...

..y'all would not be the first!

As far as 9mm silencers..

..take a look at the AAC Ti-rant & the Silencerco 9mm Osprey...

..really sweet cans!

Before I go off the deep end yet again...will either of these work on Glocks as well as Berettas, Sigs, H&K's, etc....with just threading or are they finicky on which guns they like?

Thanks

-Emt1581

LongGun1 · 02-18-2012, 23:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by quake

White lithium grease comes in a tube, like an oversized toothpaste tube; usually found in auto parts stores, Lowe's, etc.

They do make an aerosol version that I tried once, but never again as its propellant was flammable. Made for an interesting sound & light show when I tried it. (I guess you could use the aerosol version for storage use, if you gave it enough time to air out the propellant gasses before using.)

You do have to use a charger to use lithium grease or similar. It's like a modified syringe that has a long nozzle, and the grease (or whatever coolant) is ejected out the sides of the nozzle rather than the end like a needle; which gets the grease out sideways, into the baffles.

Another very good coolant is wire-pulling lube, usually found at electrical supply houses, but can also be had at Lowe's. But it's more liquid-y than the lithium grease, and I don't trust it to stay in place (and out of the bullet's path) if left in there to set up a long while.

Never used break-free in the suppressors; I'll check into that.

White Lithium is messy....IME

...my favorites are clear wire pulling gel (inexpensive & water soluble) ..

...or plain ole water...

That being said..

..I am gravitating to suppressors with great dry numbers..

There are even .45 ACP suppressors running dry boasting good numbers available now!

From Silencerco website....the 45 Osprey is 132.5 dB dry/123 dB wet

LongGun1 · 02-19-2012, 09:37

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Originally Posted by emt1581

Before I go off the deep end yet again...will either of these work on Glocks as well as Berettas, Sigs, H&K's, etc....with just threading or are they finicky on which guns they like?

Thanks

-Emt1581

I am not aware of any cycling issues with the Osprey..

A little video overview of the 9mm Osprey

Silencerco Osprey 9mm Suppressor - YouTube

More on both...

Silencerco Osprey
http://www.silencerco.com/?section=Products&page=Osprey

AAC Ti-Rant
http://www.advanced-armament.com/product.aspx?pid=640

Another Osprey video

Silencerco Osprey 9 & Osprey 45 suppressors on Vimeo

Ti-Rant video

Travis shooting the AAC 9mm Ti-Rant - YouTube

emt1581 · 02-19-2012, 09:54

You DO suck!!!

...got me all interested now.

Well here come some more q's....

1. Are we talking slide racking, air gun, or unsuppressed .22lr in regard to noise level?

2. Can they all be taken apart for cleaning by the user?

3. Is there anyone online that is known to be the cheapest for them?

Thanks

-Emt1581

LongGun1 · 02-19-2012, 10:24

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Originally Posted by emt1581

You DO suck!!!

...got me all interested now.

Well here come some more q's....

1. Are we talking slide racking, air gun, or unsuppressed .22lr in regard to noise level?

2. Can they all be taken apart for cleaning by the user?

3. Is there anyone online that is known to be the cheapest for them?

Thanks

-Emt1581

Unsurpressed .22 LR is approx 160 db...

9mm Osprey approx 125 db dry with 147 gr JHP

Outback II approx 121 dry

So... the Osprey is a little over twice as loud as your really quiet Outback II..

..but if the Osprey was wet...probably very close to same spl as the Outback II.

Both the Osprey & Ti-Rant SPL are impressive wet or dry...IMO

To answer your question...

Dry... similar to an air powered nailgun...IMO

Wet... similar to slide racking..

IIRC, The piston can be removed from the Osprey to assist with cleaning..

..but a centerfire can fed copper jacketed JHP & FMJ simply does not cake up with lead/lube residue..

..& need frequent cleaning like a rimfire can does.

If it ever does needs cleaning, just send it back to Silencerco!

Major Malfunction would be my 1st choice...if I were you!

http://www.major-malfunction.com/

And they specialize in Zombie Defense Systems!

http://www.major-malfunction.com/maj_malf_5u_020.htm

Warp · 02-23-2012, 20:42

Made some upgrades to my vehicle preps (made a thread about it).

Rotated the gas in two of my Scepter MFCs.

LongGun1 · 02-24-2012, 06:44

Prepaid my upcoming Arkansas CHL Class.

Met several new like-minded friends in North Arkansas!

Assisted a former coworker in getting his uncle prepared.

Paid the tax stamps on my Silencerco 40Osprey & SS Sparrow....told to expect a 6 month wait!

After deliberation, ordered the now discontinued AAC 762-SD before they are no longer available!

http://www.advanced-armament.com/pdf...ual_762-sd.pdf

Considering an Beretta 21A in Inox with threaded barrel & Genesis Micro suppressor...also with a Crimson Trace Lasergrip.

It would be an close companion to the Beretta 21A with threaded barrel, AWC Titan II (or III?) & Crimson Trace Lasergrip shown here..

glockguerilla · 02-24-2012, 20:28

Got more antibiotics, medical supplies, food, batteries, portable am/fm radio,
and water. Next week another Glock.