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Old 03-31-2012, 16:55   #21
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Best advice I would think would be to keep your own house in order. No drugs, no drinking, no knock-down domestics, no problems with kids acting out, etc. Don't put yourself in a situation where you would need to call the police for help. Talk out your marital problems or separate yourselves for the night. Know what your kids are doing, where and with whom. Know the traffic laws in your area and keep to them. Pay your bills, don't steal and don't give anyone else a reason to call the police on you. Be civil and respectful to everyone you meet and sever ties with anyone who can't treat you the same way.
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Old 03-31-2012, 19:18   #22
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What I am about to say will not be viewed by some as a popular opinion.

Not all prisoners will be staying behind the secure perimeter the rest of their lives. They get out. Nine times out of ten we're going to have someone at least be tempted to go back into crime. Out of those tempted it seems about half of them do it. Help those who want help to become law abiding citizens. Sometimes a few of them getting out are not only salvageable, but contribute to their societies; pay taxes, and what have you.

So, how does this help cops? It helps by giving cops a little bit of a breather, perhaps. If a former bad guy is actually turning his life around for the better it helps in that this guy becomes a tax paying citizen who in turn helps to pay for government labor, to include law enforcement.

Basically, although rehabilitation; reformation of the human is not the most popular subject it is something that we in society have to deal with, or pay someone to deal with.
I made a felony arrest the other night on a guy from out of town. Ran his QH and had 6pgs of returns. This ********* had been arrested 36 times, 11 of which were for felony charges.

Now you tell me why someone like that is still walking the streets victimizing people?

"double secret probation" didn't work for the guys in Animal House, and it doesn't work for criminals.

Getting a BG's parole or probation revoked is almost impossible nowadays.
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I made a felony arrest the other night on a guy from out of town. Ran his QH and had 6pgs of returns. This ********* had been arrested 36 times, 11 of which were for felony charges.

Now you tell me why someone like that is still walking the streets victimizing people?

"double secret probation" didn't work for the guys in Animal House, and it doesn't work for criminals.

Getting a BG's parole or probation revoked is almost impossible nowadays.
If people like Hack, myself, CJ et al had their way, I don't think you would see nearly as much of this crap. One more example of an increasingly inept, corrupt government. I see turds coming back on their 6th, 7th, 8th, etc admission. It pisses me off to no end. Even so some of 'em do get their act together, and I would like to think I made a difference here and there.
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If people like Hack, myself, CJ et al had their way, I don't think you would see nearly as much of this crap. One more example of an increasingly inept, corrupt government. I see turds coming back on their 6th, 7th, 8th, etc admission. It pisses me off to no end. Even so some of 'em do get their act together, and I would like to think I made a difference here and there.
Exactly. Some guys (very few, really) actually do have the ability and drive to learn from their mistakes, and go on with life as a productive member of society. A lot of them, though, we take bets on how long it'll be before they're back.
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Exactly. Some guys (very few, really) actually do have the ability and drive to learn from their mistakes, and go on with life as a productive member of society. A lot of them, though, we take bets on how long it'll be before they're back.
One of our 'girls' stayed out not much more than a month beffore it returned. Apparently it missed the steady supply of horny men. Wasn't much of a surprise either.

Work the bastards to death. Make 'em pay for their three hots and a cot. Give 'em some incentive to toe the line.
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If people like Hack, myself, CJ et al had their way, I don't think you would see nearly as much of this crap. One more example of an increasingly inept, corrupt government. I see turds coming back on their 6th, 7th, 8th, etc admission. It pisses me off to no end. Even so some of 'em do get their act together, and I would like to think I made a difference here and there.
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Exactly. Some guys (very few, really) actually do have the ability and drive to learn from their mistakes, and go on with life as a productive member of society. A lot of them, though, we take bets on how long it'll be before they're back.
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I made a felony arrest the other night on a guy from out of town. Ran his QH and had 6pgs of returns. This ********* had been arrested 36 times, 11 of which were for felony charges.

Now you tell me why someone like that is still walking the streets victimizing people?

"double secret probation" didn't work for the guys in Animal House, and it doesn't work for criminals.

Getting a BG's parole or probation revoked is almost impossible nowadays.
Not a whole lot I can add to those statements. I can assure you that we hate seeing the crap that happens, much of which is out of our hands; just as it is with officers on the street.

However, even with all of the crap, and with people attacking the US Constitution and so on, we have one of the best judicial processes a free nation has to offer.

I think it can be best said we attempt to do our jobs to the best of our abilities regardless of decisions at the bench which we may consider poor, or faulty.

For what it is worth, if you get a federal felon on a crime, and it is the third strike, the judge should ordinarily give such a felon a lot more time in prison.
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Old 04-01-2012, 11:37   #27
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What I am about to say will not be viewed by some as a popular opinion.

Not all prisoners will be staying behind the secure perimeter the rest of their lives. They get out. Nine times out of ten we're going to have someone at least be tempted to go back into crime. Out of those tempted it seems about half of them do it. Help those who want help to become law abiding citizens. Sometimes a few of them getting out are not only salvageable, but contribute to their societies; pay taxes, and what have you.

So, how does this help cops? It helps by giving cops a little bit of a breather, perhaps. If a former bad guy is actually turning his life around for the better it helps in that this guy becomes a tax paying citizen who in turn helps to pay for government labor, to include law enforcement.

Basically, although rehabilitation; reformation of the human is not the most popular subject it is something that we in society have to deal with, or pay someone to deal with.
Good post. I've thought about that myself, if nobody's willing to hire an ex-con, what line of work is he going to go into besides what got him incarcerated in the first place.

The trick is spotting the few that really want to, and are capable of turning their life around and deserve a second chance. The dicey part is its hard to expect employers to take that gamble when the parole boards can't seem to figure out which ones to give a second chance to.

Its a real problem, and seems to me to be the heart of the recidivism issue.

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An ex-con can find a job, but it might not be what he wants or likes. If they stay on the straight and narrow for a few years, with the same job, they start to look good to more potential employers. They can make it, if they want to badly enough. They will also have to live their past down for a while, until they establish themselves.
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Old 04-01-2012, 12:56   #29
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One of our 'girls' stayed out not much more than a month beffore it returned. Apparently it missed the steady supply of horny men. Wasn't much of a surprise either.

Work the bastards to death. Make 'em pay for their three hots and a cot. Give 'em some incentive to toe the line.
I said the same thing when I worked in the jail. Why can't these guys be doing something? Generating electricity via a hamster wheel or something...pissed me off to no end when all they do is sit and eat honey buns and watch Jerry springer!


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Old 09-26-2012, 00:04   #31
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Excellent thread! Itís not new but worth bringing back.

As it was recommended by others, join the Citizenís Police Academy, if one is offered in your area. My son, his girlfriend, two of his friends and I graduated last week from ours. I canít believe 14 weeks went by so fast (and kind of sad itís over). My complaint was that I wish the classes for some topics would have been longer, you could tell the instructors were trying to pack months of material and years of knowledge and experience into a single 4 hour class. The individual compacted classes were taught by people that usually taught those same subjects in the real police academy.

The ride along was awesome! We still fight amongst ourselves as to which officer was better. Obviously, mine was! His professionalism, compassion and understanding far surpassed mine (ok, I admit I have very low limits of the later two). We ended up giving a ride home to a person I wanted dropped at the nearest corner (without stopping the vehicle), he even walked her all the way to her door of the apartment building. She and her drunken son destroyed a family, seriously injuring the mother and ultimately costing the fatherís life. That was a good time for me to eat my cold burger; I couldnít tell her what I thought of her if my mouth was full. He got to eat his much later. I actually had to force him and the other two (riding with my son and his girlfriend) to let me pay. That was the only part of shift I had any control over, there was no way they were winning that one!

We all received the same Florida Law Enforcement Handbook found in the patrol cars we rode in (and a CD to facilitate the search). The uniform for our classes consisted of a very nice TShirt. For our graduation we were given a very nice polo shirt.

The graduation itself was beyond anything any of us imagined. The presentation of colors, attendance from higher ups from the various districts, attendance and address from the Assistant Director (the director is retiring this week or it would have been him, the Assistant Director was fantastic though). Family members and friends for those graduating were invited. Our instructors, from their own pocket, bought a huge beautiful cake with the logo to celebrate the occasion with our family and friends. My son gave the Invocation and I the Class Address. As alumni we will be back to take part in meetings and the like.

There will be others were I work taking the class next year. My sonís two friends work with me; others couldnít help but overhear many of the comments from our class the day before. They still canít believe there was no cost for any of it. I should add; there is no guarantee that other instructors would be as good as ours. He was very informative, entertaining and super funny. His fall back job could have been a comedian, and would have made good money at it too. There wasnít a single class that at some point or another (often multiple times) he didnít make us all laugh. In lieu of a diploma we received a beautiful plaque (wooden back) with the diploma in it. We will all receive in a few weeks a class picture. I plan on having both displayed in my office.

By arriving early for class and waiting to be escorted upstairs we had the opportunity to meet and make friends with other officers too.

I wonít claim to know much still, but I sure understand a lot better than I did before. It did reaffirm the respect we have for officers and proved (beyond a doubt) that I donít have the patience or the stomach to do what they do. It was an experience that I strongly recommend to anyone that has such classes offered in their area.

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Old 09-26-2012, 07:21   #32
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Glad you got to go to the Citizens Academy Misty. I'm sure it was an eye opening experience and will help you get us a bit more.
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Glad you got to go to the Citizens Academy Misty. I'm sure it was an eye opening experience and will help you get us a bit more.
Actually, I think get you all even less. I donít think there is enough money out there to get me to do what you all do (even if the risk of getting killed was not on the table). We have just a handful of people we know that are officers. After participating in the CPA I realized that they talked about their job nearly as much as I do about mine, not much unless there are specific questions. The same goes for family members, yes, I know the industry theyíre in, what they do in general but little on the details or what they endure day to day. These classes went into great details, between the class at the Medical Examiner (complimentary trip into the decomp room), the homicide class plus others and the full shift ride-along, I definitely got a clearer picture. They are considering adding one class to visit a prison; Iím definitely going to that one when they do.

To have someone that killed one person and seriously injured another, sitting with an inverted U on the front of their vehicle, look you right on your face and tell you they werenít involved in an accident without being able to force their face on the bumper until they admitted it? I can handle that as a novelty one day, but I canít handle that kind of behavior from adults on an ongoing basis.

And I thought there was too much paperwork in my industryÖ. HA!

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Iíve gone ahead and sent the link of this thread to the Sergeant and the Officer that were the main instructors for the class. Among the graduateís duties was to spread the word, it was not restricted to in person.

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