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Old 03-24-2012, 20:52   #26
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Want to install Gnome back into Ubuntu?

Here my tutorial : https://sites.google.com/site/cookin...o-ubuntu-11-10

Personally, I can't stand Unity, but I like Ubuntu. So, I installed Gnome into Ubuntu and login using the Gnome interface.

You could try Mint, but why, you are already running Ubuntu. A couple commands in Terminal and you will be rewarded with Gnome.
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I installed Ubuntu 11.10 Unity a few weeks ago just to try it. Haven't spent much time in W7 since. Starting to like it but for a memory warning every day and that stupid side bar that pops out every time i get too close to the left side of the screen.

Is there a better Linux distro for a total beginner or is this the best way for me to get a goof feel for it?
Long post... sorry, but there's really no "short" way to properly answer your question.

First, you're on the right track w/ using Ubuntu as your introduction to Linux. I personally wouldn't recommend moving to another distribution until you get your feet under you. It's by far the most well supported Linux distribution there is. When you're still using Linux training wheels, Ubuntu is where you want to be.

When you say "memory warning" what is the warning you are getting? You're running Win 7, so really you should have more than enough RAM to run Ubuntu.

I'm going to disagree w/ gemeinschaft on the Gnome 2.x workaround. Mainly because it is a temporary solution to a more permanent problem. Gnome 2.x is gonna fall out of the repos here soon, and as a new user, you don't want to be left high and dry. Trust me on this, Gnome 3 sucks just as bad as Unity, if not worse.

Following duncans advice to install Ubuntu 10.10(which does not have Unity), is not a logical solution. Ubuntu 10.10 will go "end of life" (support will end) in less than a month. Again, I'm assuming you're looking for a more long term solution to this dilemma. This would be like suggesting someone install Win 98 and use it, because they didn't like Win 7.

In my opinion, you have a couple of options, which is what I touched on in post #21:
1. Adapt to Unity and its quirks.
2. Learn something else.

Since we're assuming #1 is out the Window and you're a fairly new user, we'll touch on the 'something else' a bit.

1. Use Unity 2D, see if that is more to your liking, personally I still hate it, but that's me. IIRC, Unity 2D "docks" the side panel, which seemed to be one of your chief complaints, when following the instructions below, keep in mind what I said above about Gnome 3:
http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-...ocelot-review/

If it is not, then the best option is to get one of the other spins... Kubuntu, Xubuntu, or Lubuntu....

Lubuntu is Ubuntu w/ LXDE as your main desktop. Unless you're low on RAM, it is for the bare minimalist. I personally love it, but some newb's don't care for it. Even some more experienced users don't care much for LXDE, it's really just a personal opinion. I personally would only choose this if you're really low on RAM(under 1.5gigs. Unless you just want the most awesome Linux desktop there is (sorry, fanboy mode off.. )

Xubuntu... This is Ubuntu w/ the XFCE interface. It's designed to be "lighter" than Unity or Gnome 3. Unfortunately, if you've used older versions of XFCE... You realize that the current incarnation is craptactular. I used to be a big fan of XFCE/Xubuntu... there is no way I could use the current version. It just hits me as buggy, and frankly, very annoying in its quirks.

To me, your best option, is following Linux3's and captainstormy's advice. Use Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE), and disable all the effects, enable folder view, etc. This will actually give you a very "Window-ish" look and feel. Trust me, it hurts me to say this, as anyone who follows my Linux posts, knows I HATE KDE, but given the current state of Ubuntu w/ Unity and the Gnome project... it's what I would recommend.

Best of luck in your decision making..
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Old 03-25-2012, 13:42   #28
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To me, your best option, is following Linux3's and captainstormy's advice. Use Kubuntu (Ubuntu with KDE), and disable all the effects, enable folder view, etc. This will actually give you a very "Window-ish" look and feel. Trust me, it hurts me to say this, as anyone who follows my Linux posts, knows I HATE KDE, but given the current state of Ubuntu w/ Unity and the Gnome project... it's what I would recommend.
Best of luck in your decision making..
Is that pigs I see up there flying around?

IGF, I am not a huge fan of KDE 4.x but you are absolutely right about XFCE. I was happy with it until XUbuntu 11.04 and then something went really, really wrong. Buggy to say the least.

I don't understand Linux WM developers these days. Seems like they all are doing their best to out ugly each other.
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Here's something else I found on docking the side panel in Unity.. If this works and you're otherwise happy with Unity, we can start tackling the memory error:

Compiz is the WM for Unity by default. There are few options in "CompizConfig settings Manager"-> "Desktop"-> "Ubuntu Unity Plugin":
"Never" - The launcher will never hide.
"Autohide" - The launcher will hide automatically based on time.
"Dodge Windows" - The launcher will hide when a window would overlay it.
"Dodge Active Window" - The launcher will hide only when an active window would overlay it.
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Thanks guys. I think I'm going keep this for a while.

Indy, I downloaded CompizConfig settings Manager and fixed that sidebar issue. Now I have to work on the memory warning. I just got it a few minutes ago.

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Seems my root dir is not big enough. This is the best number i have yet to get. It has been as low as 114mb.

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This is a dual boot with a 60gb partition for Linux.

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Thanks guys. I think I'm going keep this for a while.

Indy, I downloaded CompizConfig settings Manager and fixed that sidebar issue. Now I have to work on the memory warning. I just got it a few minutes ago.

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Seems my root dir is not big enough. This is the best number i have yet to get. It has been as low as 114mb.

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This is a dual boot with a 60gb partition for Linux.
OK, so you're actually low on disk space, as opposed to being low on RAM.. this is probably something that is jacked up w/ your partition setup.

There's no way you should be low on disk space w/ 60gigs, unless you have a TON of data on that partition(ie, large movie/music collection, etc..). How exactly did you install Ubuntu? Did you use Wubi, or did you set up a "normal" (ie, proper) dual boot system? Wubi, is when you install the OS "inside windows"... or did you put the ISO on a cd or USB, then reboot, and boot the CD/USB?

The actual OS only takes up about 3 gigs total... so if you're using 60gigs, something is wrong w/ your partition setup.

Open a terminal
type this: sudo fdisk -l (that's a lower case L, make sure there's a space after fdisk)
hit enter and you'll be prompted for your password.

after you enter your password and hit enter, you'll get some information spit out about your drives and partitions... Paste the output in this thread.
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Old 03-25-2012, 18:54   #32
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Used Wubi.


Disk /dev/sda: 640.1 GB, 640135028736 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 77825 cylinders, total 1250263728 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x010ed62a

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 2048 3074047 1536000 27 Hidden NTFS WinRE
/dev/sda2 3074048 1095768063 546347008 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
/dev/sda3 1095768064 1221597183 62914560 f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sda4 1221597184 1250263039 14332928 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda5 1095770112 1221597183 62913536 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
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Used Wubi.
OK, are you sure you actually made a 60gig virtual drive? That still just doesn't seem right. Wubi though, is really meant as a way to "try" Ubuntu, rather than use it as a permanently installed OS.

My personal opinion, Wubi is a disaster waiting to happen. I've saw to many people in the support channels with wubi problems that are extremely difficult(if not impossible) to fix because of how the two OS's are intertwined. Most the time I've saw hours of troubleshooting go on, and eventually end with "You're just gonna have to reinstall Windows". This is all well and fine if you have the CD's, as often these Wubi problems make booting a restore partition, very difficult.

Some examples:
Windows gets a virus in the MBR, neither OS is bootable.
Some error happens in the Windows boot sector, neither OS is bootable.

Very rarely will a problem with a normal dual boot system render your machine where you can't boot at least Windows OR Ubuntu. Once you can boot one of the OS's, you can work on troubleshooting the problem and fix it.

If it were me, I would back up any important data that is on the Wubi install, then uninstall Wubi from inside Windows. Then work on setting up a proper dual boot system.

If you want some help setting up a dual boot system, I'll be available tomorrow night. Unfortunately, I've gotta leave for work, so I'll check this thread tomorrow.
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Old 03-25-2012, 19:47   #34
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Thank you very much Indy.

I have already moved everything to the Skydrive cloud. In the process of doing the same with W7.

Will likely uninstall and reinstall on Tuesday(no kids that day).

I may have a few questions tomorrow after I research how to uninstall properly. I have already determined I want a 400gb partition as I am seeing less use for windows in my future.
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DML, work with IGF (lol) as based on what I have read here he is very patient and knowledgeable.

I totally agree on Wubi, it's a solution to a problem no one should ask.

Some reading.
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ho...dowsPartitions

And
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot

Most Linux users have done this many, many times and actually it's kind of easier with OS7 than XP because you use Windows to resize it's own partition to make room for Linux and it's very rare for this to cause a problem. (I have never seen a problem but anything can happen).

I personally like to add a second disk and have Windows on the first disk and Linux on the second for no good reason other than I think it's a more elegant solution.

Well, actually for the last few years I have just Linux installed and a 80 gig tar file that is a compressed XP install created a few years ago with VMWare.
I create a directory called XP (creative I know) and untar tXP-SP3.tar into it.
I then run VMWare client only to use XP.
And when it gets cluttered I just blow the directory away and untar it anew.
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Thank you very much Indy.

I have already moved everything to the Skydrive cloud. In the process of doing the same with W7.

Will likely uninstall and reinstall on Tuesday(no kids that day).

I may have a few questions tomorrow after I research how to uninstall properly. I have already determined I want a 400gb partition as I am seeing less use for windows in my future.
Another LONG post.. sorry if I lose you.. feel free to ask questions and I'll try to be brief, but I've never been accused of not being thorough...

If you want my personal opinion... 400gigs is insane.

What *I* would do, especially since you have no plans to ditch Windows completely...which isn't bad, it's good to keep around "just in case" there's something you have to do that is only Windows...as you learn Linux more and more, these things will become all the more rare... Since a picture is worth a thousand words, and it might help you "visualize" what I'm explaining to you.. .we'll start with that.

This is my partition setup on my laptop I got a couple months ago. It's dual booting with Win 7. Total Drive size is 300gigs
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/dev/sda1 -- 1.5gigs-- This is some sort of system partition for Toshiba. Not really sure what it is but I wasn't ballsy enough to delete it when I was partitioning the drive..

/dev/sda2 -- 250gigs -- This is my main Windows partition. "C:" if you will. I keep almost all my local data there (movies, music, some virtual machines, etc..). It's all in one "folder" and I have that folder set to mount upon boot, then just created a shortcut to it.

/dev/sda5 -- 6gigs -- This is my swap partition. Good rule of thumb on your swap partition... 1.5-2x your physical RAM. Now days with machines having so much RAM, it's unlikely you'll need all that space, unless you're hibernating, which always goes heavy into the swap space... in that situation, if you don't have enough swap, it could make the OS unstable, or not "wake up" properly.

/dev/sda6 --- 30gigs -- my "main" Linux partition. It houses the OS. Even w/ all the junk I'm always testing for Linux, etc.. as you can see, I've barely put a dent in that 30gigs. I could knock this space down to 12-15gigs easy, and still have plenty of room.

/dev/sda7 -- 14gigs -- Something to do w/ Toshiba.. probably a recovery partition.

Again, you can do this however you want, but this is how I've set up a LOT of new users, and I've yet to hear one complain about it. Personally, I think it holds some advantages:

1. You never really know how much bloat windows is gonna want. You go lopping off to much and for some reason you (or a family member) needs to start using Windows again... it's a pain in the you know what, to get that space reclaimed, not to mention time consuming.

2. You'll be using the 500th edition of Ubuntu before it ever takes 400gigs of space. By then though, you'll have a 400tb hard drive, so the 400gigs will be no big deal..

3. If for some reason I do have to reinstall Linux (it happens, as I dabble in Beta's a lot).. All of my data is stored on a separate partition, and I don't have to concern myself with backing up my data, as it is all safely stored on sda2, which is "separate" from my Linux partitions.

I like Linux3's idea with the virtual machine, but.. since you already have Win 7, no real need to do that. I got contacted a few months ago by someone I had helped install Linux quite a while ago... He had decided to nuke Windows, and put XP in a virtual machine. Well, a few years later, his wife has some USB device to monitor her diabetes, and it will not work in virtual machine. So we messed around for a while trying to get it to work in Vbox, but it just didn't happen. Fortunately, he had a XP CD with a key laying around, and an old blank hard drive. So we installed XP to that blank drive, and set up a dual boot system. Why he didn't do this out of the gate when he realized the problem, I don't know.. but it ended up working out just fine. Now, when his wife needs to send this data to her Dr... it's just a matter of booting XP.

Hope I wasn't to long winded, I tend to get that way about these things. I won't be around tomorrow night as I have to work, but if you have any questions, or you're unsure how to proceed, I am off this weekend, and I'd be happy to help you.

By the way, removing Wubi, it *should* be as simple as going to the Control Panel and "uninstalling" the "WUBI" entry there.

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Is that pigs I see up there flying around?

IGF, I am not a huge fan of KDE 4.x but you are absolutely right about XFCE. I was happy with it until XUbuntu 11.04 and then something went really, really wrong. Buggy to say the least.


I've saw problems with XFCE on distros other than Ubuntu, so it makes me think it's an XFCE 4 problem, vs an Ubuntu problem (or maybe a combination of the two)...

I was messing w/ the XFCE spin of Fedora 15 not to long ago, and was experiencing the same strange issues on Fedora, I was on Ubuntu/Debian.... or I could just be unlucky..

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I don't understand Linux WM developers these days. Seems like they all are doing their best to out ugly each other.
Boy there's a true statement if there ever was one. I don't understand if they're trying to "out ugly" each other, or because newer PC's are so powerful, they feel the need to try and utilize all that CPU/RAM that is available, and show that Linux can be just as "pretty" as Windows 7. It almost becomes like a sales pitch with screenshots.

Frankly, I've always loved the simplicity of the Linux GUI's, Gnome 2.x or XFCE 3, I could have used forever and been perfectly content. When Linus Torvalds says how badly Gnome sucks now, and really isn't heaping praise on XFCE either.... folks should stop and listen.

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IGF the only thing I would change as to a dual boot is I put /home in a separate partition.

linux3@45acp:~$ df -hl
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1 49G 5.8G 40G 13% /
udev 3.9G 4.0K 3.9G 1% /dev
tmpfs 1.6G 1020K 1.6G 1% /run
none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock
none 4.0G 1.4M 4.0G 1% /run/shm
/dev/sda3 403G 56G 327G 15% /home

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 2048 102402047 51200000 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 102402048 118786047 8192000 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda3 118786048 976773119 428993536 83 Linux

This way I can wipe and install a new release or distro and lot lose all my settings and data.
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IGF the only thing I would change as to a dual boot is I put /home in a separate partition.

linux3@45acp:~$ df -hl
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sda1 49G 5.8G 40G 13% /
udev 3.9G 4.0K 3.9G 1% /dev
tmpfs 1.6G 1020K 1.6G 1% /run
none 5.0M 0 5.0M 0% /run/lock
none 4.0G 1.4M 4.0G 1% /run/shm
/dev/sda3 403G 56G 327G 15% /home

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 2048 102402047 51200000 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 102402048 118786047 8192000 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda3 118786048 976773119 428993536 83 Linux

This way I can wipe and install a new release or distro and lot lose all my settings and data.
To each his own.
I've never put /home on a partition. I always just backup a few configuration folders for programs that I have set up exactly how I want them.

Once I reinstall, I just move those folders back into my /home.

I can see the advantages of putting /home on a separate partition, I've just never done it.

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Uninstalled Wubi. What would be best at this point, ISO for 32-bit or 64-bit?

Toshiba Satellite C655
Intel Core i3 2350m CPU @ 2.30GHz
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Uninstalled Wubi. What would be best at this point, ISO for 32-bit or 64-bit?

Toshiba Satellite C655
Intel Core i3 2350m CPU @ 2.30GHz
64-bit Win7 Home Premium SP1
4.00Gb RAM
LOL, I have that exact laptop..

64bit should work fine.
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Linux is still a long way from overtaking Windows in the home market. Ubuntu is as close as Linux has managed to get being main stream.. Linspire, and the others that have tried, have all failed miserably. Generally because they tried to hard to be like Windows, in attempt to attract new users. Ubuntu has a real shot to become "main stream".. I just think they went wayward with Unity, but I've saw many "new" Linux users, that absolutely love it.

I think when you're dealing with experienced users.. we know where Linux(and Ubuntu) was, and consider Unity a disaster.
I never really liked Ubuntu - Gnome and *orange* just didn't do it for me...

I have spent some time on KUbuntu, openSUSE, Knoppix... but I am no Linux 'operator'. I can mess up a Kernel Update like no one can!

I really like the multiple desktop concept of KDE, and certain features make it the bomb.

And... I am *really* liking Unity! Ubuntu has been one of the easiest to connect to a Windows system... and it seems that will require me to read again using the new Ubuntu.

Just haven't figured out how to make a living off of Linux.

That's MY problem...

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I've been a linux/unix/solaris user for almost two decades now, but it's never been a primary OS for me in all of that time. The few times I gave it a try, I got frustrated with it after just a few weeks and went back to Windows. But I do have to admit that they've come a long ways from back in the FreeBSD days when you'd install your basic flavor, then go and download XFree86 so you could have a GUI, then go and separately download and install a window manager.

Last time I fiddled with Linux was about three years ago when I got sick of the various issues running Cygwin and/or Putty/XMing on my desktop at work. I work for a small development team that builds a low-latency trading engine for a large hedge fund and the entire platform runs on Linux yet we all run Windows as our desktop OS (mostly for MS Outlook and IE for intranet sites). At that time, it took me over a week to get back to being a productive member of my team. First it was the quad-head Matrox card in my box that had no supported Linux drivers. So I spent my own $$ to get a pair of dual-head Nvidia cards but I ran into all kinds of problems getting 4 monitors to work smoothly. In the end I had to compromise in some major ways that I'd hoped I could live with, but couldn't - so after a few weeks, I just went back to Windows.

A few weeks ago one of the guys on my team, also annoyed with Putty/XMing (specifically x-server issues with multiple monitors), entertained the idea of moving to RHEL/Fedora on his desktop. He hasn't tried the move yet, but may in the next few weeks when he's scheduled for a desktop hardware refresh. Conversations with him, along with this thread, got me to wonder where things have progressed so over the past couple of days, I decided to give it another go.

My HP laptop had a dying hard drive, so I installed an SSD replacement (64GB Crucial M4) and downloaded Ubuntu 11.10 and Xubuntu 11.10 onto two adequately-sized thumb drives I have.

The good: Wireless settings/connection were perfectly simple; I was up and connected during the install. Printer support, a previous annoyance to get working in any flavor of Linux, was actually SIMPLER than it was on my iMac. I hit the "Add Printer" button, it searched my machine and my wireless network, found my Brother laser wireless printer on the network, searched for and installed drivers for it automatically, and I was done after giving my printer a "Name". That one was MIGHTY impressive. Unity has turned out to be not as bad as originally thought - I kinda like it now that I know how to easily add icons to the launcher bar. The Ubuntu Software Center is great, like an Ubuntu app store. Everything got auto-detected; my wireless adapter, printer, usb drives, mouse, web-cam, battery, display, touchpad ... even the function buttons on the keyboard work. In that sense - things have come a LONG way in the past decade.

The bad: I've spent the better part of an entire day getting a few things worked out. While it detected my touchpad, the button on my laptop to disable the touchpad doesn't do anything and it took me almost 2 hours to find the software and/or commands that would enable me to configure my touchpad accordingly. My employer provides a Citrix solution for remote connectivity and getting the Citrix ICA Client working - didn't happen after 5 solid hours not counting the hour spent re-installing Ubuntu to get myself back to a known good state. In the end I was able to get the Citrix web plugin working and that took about 45 minutes worth of work. And there appears to be no solution to Chrome asking me to unlock my keyring every time I start it up - that is quite annoying.

So here I am, typing this post out from my laptop in Google Chrome running on Ubuntu 11.10. I've now got this laptop setup in a way that will serve my needs and it will likely stay Ubuntu until this laptop has a hardware failure. But ultimately, it is this kind of software issue that will keep Linux has a hobbyist/specialist OS only. Software needs to just work. When a relative comes to me and asks how they can upgrade to the newest version of Windows, I'd love to say, "Ditch Windows, install Linux and be done with paying for upgrades from now on." - but I can't because I don't want to field 20 calls over the next month and spend dozens of hours tracking down software and hardware issues. Linux has come a long way - but it needs to go just a bit farther.
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The bad: I've spent the better part of an entire day getting a few things worked out. While it detected my touchpad, the button on my laptop to disable the touchpad doesn't do anything and it took me almost 2 hours to find the software and/or commands that would enable me to configure my touchpad accordingly. My employer provides a Citrix solution for remote connectivity and getting the Citrix ICA Client working - didn't happen after 5 solid hours not counting the hour spent re-installing Ubuntu to get myself back to a known good state. In the end I was able to get the Citrix web plugin working and that took about 45 minutes worth of work. And there appears to be no solution to Chrome asking me to unlock my keyring every time I start it up - that is quite annoying.
I don't know anything about this citrix ica client, but.. the more "specialty" software you use, the less likely you are to have a smooth transition. This thread was really about home users. It's a lot closer for the home user, than it will be for an enterprise environment (unless the environment is built around Linux compatibility)

The keyring prompt, it sounds like your'e using autologin
https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/how-...ssword-prompt/

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So here I am, typing this post out from my laptop in Google Chrome running on Ubuntu 11.10. I've now got this laptop setup in a way that will serve my needs and it will likely stay Ubuntu until this laptop has a hardware failure. But ultimately, it is this kind of software issue that will keep Linux has a hobbyist/specialist OS only. Software needs to just work. When a relative comes to me and asks how they can upgrade to the newest version of Windows, I'd love to say, "Ditch Windows, install Linux and be done with paying for upgrades from now on." - but I can't because I don't want to field 20 calls over the next month and spend dozens of hours tracking down software and hardware issues. Linux has come a long way - but it needs to go just a bit farther.
The software typically does "just work" when it's built ground up for Linux compatibility, not trying to make apps that are designed to work for Windows, work w/ Linux.

I still agree w/ you though, in the enterprise environment, Linux is still a ways to go, if everything isn't built around Linux compatibility (ie, applications needed, etc..)
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Is that pigs I see up there flying around?

IGF, I am not a huge fan of KDE 4.x but you are absolutely right about XFCE. I was happy with it until XUbuntu 11.04 and then something went really, really wrong. Buggy to say the least.

I don't understand Linux WM developers these days. Seems like they all are doing their best to out ugly each other.
I think XFCE had a conflict with the kernel in Xubuntu 11.04. It wasn't a problem with every computer but it was in many of them. XFCE does not get updated often. It has a very slow release cycle. KDE 4 has several version but not all of them are always available. They may be separate projects from KDE 4.
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Ubuntu 11.10 seems to be running fine along side W7 after the install without Wubi. No more memory issues.

Thanks for the help IGF.
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Ubuntu 11.10 seems to be running fine along side W7 after the install without Wubi. No more memory issues.

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You whippersnappers amuse me with your Unity/Gnome debates. I've been using *nix since 1975, and do most of my work at the shell prompt. For me, a radical interface change was switching from 'sh' to 'bash'.

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P.S. I built a new Linux box about a year ago, and Ubuntu was the only distro that installed cleanly. Been liking it ever since.
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