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Old 03-26-2012, 20:19   #41
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Uninstalled Wubi. What would be best at this point, ISO for 32-bit or 64-bit?

Toshiba Satellite C655
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64-bit Win7 Home Premium SP1
4.00Gb RAM
LOL, I have that exact laptop..

64bit should work fine.
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Old 03-26-2012, 22:04   #42
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Linux is still a long way from overtaking Windows in the home market. Ubuntu is as close as Linux has managed to get being main stream.. Linspire, and the others that have tried, have all failed miserably. Generally because they tried to hard to be like Windows, in attempt to attract new users. Ubuntu has a real shot to become "main stream".. I just think they went wayward with Unity, but I've saw many "new" Linux users, that absolutely love it.

I think when you're dealing with experienced users.. we know where Linux(and Ubuntu) was, and consider Unity a disaster.
I never really liked Ubuntu - Gnome and *orange* just didn't do it for me...

I have spent some time on KUbuntu, openSUSE, Knoppix... but I am no Linux 'operator'. I can mess up a Kernel Update like no one can!

I really like the multiple desktop concept of KDE, and certain features make it the bomb.

And... I am *really* liking Unity! Ubuntu has been one of the easiest to connect to a Windows system... and it seems that will require me to read again using the new Ubuntu.

Just haven't figured out how to make a living off of Linux.

That's MY problem...

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Old 03-31-2012, 22:12   #43
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Getting there - but still not there.

I've been a linux/unix/solaris user for almost two decades now, but it's never been a primary OS for me in all of that time. The few times I gave it a try, I got frustrated with it after just a few weeks and went back to Windows. But I do have to admit that they've come a long ways from back in the FreeBSD days when you'd install your basic flavor, then go and download XFree86 so you could have a GUI, then go and separately download and install a window manager.

Last time I fiddled with Linux was about three years ago when I got sick of the various issues running Cygwin and/or Putty/XMing on my desktop at work. I work for a small development team that builds a low-latency trading engine for a large hedge fund and the entire platform runs on Linux yet we all run Windows as our desktop OS (mostly for MS Outlook and IE for intranet sites). At that time, it took me over a week to get back to being a productive member of my team. First it was the quad-head Matrox card in my box that had no supported Linux drivers. So I spent my own $$ to get a pair of dual-head Nvidia cards but I ran into all kinds of problems getting 4 monitors to work smoothly. In the end I had to compromise in some major ways that I'd hoped I could live with, but couldn't - so after a few weeks, I just went back to Windows.

A few weeks ago one of the guys on my team, also annoyed with Putty/XMing (specifically x-server issues with multiple monitors), entertained the idea of moving to RHEL/Fedora on his desktop. He hasn't tried the move yet, but may in the next few weeks when he's scheduled for a desktop hardware refresh. Conversations with him, along with this thread, got me to wonder where things have progressed so over the past couple of days, I decided to give it another go.

My HP laptop had a dying hard drive, so I installed an SSD replacement (64GB Crucial M4) and downloaded Ubuntu 11.10 and Xubuntu 11.10 onto two adequately-sized thumb drives I have.

The good: Wireless settings/connection were perfectly simple; I was up and connected during the install. Printer support, a previous annoyance to get working in any flavor of Linux, was actually SIMPLER than it was on my iMac. I hit the "Add Printer" button, it searched my machine and my wireless network, found my Brother laser wireless printer on the network, searched for and installed drivers for it automatically, and I was done after giving my printer a "Name". That one was MIGHTY impressive. Unity has turned out to be not as bad as originally thought - I kinda like it now that I know how to easily add icons to the launcher bar. The Ubuntu Software Center is great, like an Ubuntu app store. Everything got auto-detected; my wireless adapter, printer, usb drives, mouse, web-cam, battery, display, touchpad ... even the function buttons on the keyboard work. In that sense - things have come a LONG way in the past decade.

The bad: I've spent the better part of an entire day getting a few things worked out. While it detected my touchpad, the button on my laptop to disable the touchpad doesn't do anything and it took me almost 2 hours to find the software and/or commands that would enable me to configure my touchpad accordingly. My employer provides a Citrix solution for remote connectivity and getting the Citrix ICA Client working - didn't happen after 5 solid hours not counting the hour spent re-installing Ubuntu to get myself back to a known good state. In the end I was able to get the Citrix web plugin working and that took about 45 minutes worth of work. And there appears to be no solution to Chrome asking me to unlock my keyring every time I start it up - that is quite annoying.

So here I am, typing this post out from my laptop in Google Chrome running on Ubuntu 11.10. I've now got this laptop setup in a way that will serve my needs and it will likely stay Ubuntu until this laptop has a hardware failure. But ultimately, it is this kind of software issue that will keep Linux has a hobbyist/specialist OS only. Software needs to just work. When a relative comes to me and asks how they can upgrade to the newest version of Windows, I'd love to say, "Ditch Windows, install Linux and be done with paying for upgrades from now on." - but I can't because I don't want to field 20 calls over the next month and spend dozens of hours tracking down software and hardware issues. Linux has come a long way - but it needs to go just a bit farther.
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Old 03-31-2012, 22:29   #44
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The bad: I've spent the better part of an entire day getting a few things worked out. While it detected my touchpad, the button on my laptop to disable the touchpad doesn't do anything and it took me almost 2 hours to find the software and/or commands that would enable me to configure my touchpad accordingly. My employer provides a Citrix solution for remote connectivity and getting the Citrix ICA Client working - didn't happen after 5 solid hours not counting the hour spent re-installing Ubuntu to get myself back to a known good state. In the end I was able to get the Citrix web plugin working and that took about 45 minutes worth of work. And there appears to be no solution to Chrome asking me to unlock my keyring every time I start it up - that is quite annoying.
I don't know anything about this citrix ica client, but.. the more "specialty" software you use, the less likely you are to have a smooth transition. This thread was really about home users. It's a lot closer for the home user, than it will be for an enterprise environment (unless the environment is built around Linux compatibility)

The keyring prompt, it sounds like your'e using autologin
https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/how-...ssword-prompt/

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So here I am, typing this post out from my laptop in Google Chrome running on Ubuntu 11.10. I've now got this laptop setup in a way that will serve my needs and it will likely stay Ubuntu until this laptop has a hardware failure. But ultimately, it is this kind of software issue that will keep Linux has a hobbyist/specialist OS only. Software needs to just work. When a relative comes to me and asks how they can upgrade to the newest version of Windows, I'd love to say, "Ditch Windows, install Linux and be done with paying for upgrades from now on." - but I can't because I don't want to field 20 calls over the next month and spend dozens of hours tracking down software and hardware issues. Linux has come a long way - but it needs to go just a bit farther.
The software typically does "just work" when it's built ground up for Linux compatibility, not trying to make apps that are designed to work for Windows, work w/ Linux.

I still agree w/ you though, in the enterprise environment, Linux is still a ways to go, if everything isn't built around Linux compatibility (ie, applications needed, etc..)
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:26   #45
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Is that pigs I see up there flying around?

IGF, I am not a huge fan of KDE 4.x but you are absolutely right about XFCE. I was happy with it until XUbuntu 11.04 and then something went really, really wrong. Buggy to say the least.

I don't understand Linux WM developers these days. Seems like they all are doing their best to out ugly each other.
I think XFCE had a conflict with the kernel in Xubuntu 11.04. It wasn't a problem with every computer but it was in many of them. XFCE does not get updated often. It has a very slow release cycle. KDE 4 has several version but not all of them are always available. They may be separate projects from KDE 4.
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Old 04-07-2012, 20:08   #46
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Ubuntu 11.10 seems to be running fine along side W7 after the install without Wubi. No more memory issues.

Thanks for the help IGF.
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:02   #47
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Ubuntu 11.10 seems to be running fine along side W7 after the install without Wubi. No more memory issues.

Thanks for the help IGF.


Glad it's all working out.
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Old 04-08-2012, 06:56   #48
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You whippersnappers amuse me with your Unity/Gnome debates. I've been using *nix since 1975, and do most of my work at the shell prompt. For me, a radical interface change was switching from 'sh' to 'bash'.

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P.S. I built a new Linux box about a year ago, and Ubuntu was the only distro that installed cleanly. Been liking it ever since.
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