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Old 04-17-2012, 15:06   #51
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It's not my dog, "BRO." Way to be a complete dickwad.

I have enough experience to know that this cop is completely incapable of handling stress and making sound decisions under that stress. Calm, cool, and collective. LOL, right. Next time it's not going to be a dog.

Even as a CHL holder, I'm not going to go guns blazing at a barking dog. As someone else said, if I did that, there wouldn't be any left in my neighborhood.

Rock on, bro. It's people like you that continue to stir up so much backlash from citizens. You can choose to be a ********* or handle a situation like a professional.
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Old 04-17-2012, 15:13   #52
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How will the Ofc ever sleep at night!?!?
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Old 04-17-2012, 15:16   #53
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...and what could have been an otherwise educational and polite thread about police procedure has degenerated into name calling and invective.
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Everyone saying he could have tried other things to control the dog are leaving out the fact that he was there for a DV and had a guy at gunpoint right in front of him. If he was really called to a detail serious enough for him to be exiting his car gun in hand, then the last thing he needs to be doing is looking for his scooby snacks and trying to figure out if the dog is nice and just pretending to eat him or really agressive all while Mr Johnson takes a shot at him.

We know after the fact that it was the wrong house, but we have to consider his perception/understanding when approaching the residence. I understand we also have to consider the fact that he may be a dumbass, but that's why they do investigations vs letting FB friends decide peoples fates. I'm just trying to give the OP soemthing more to think about.
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LEOs, I want to take your side in this story. I really do, but as the owner of two awesome dogs I'm having a hard time siding with the police here.

http://www.npr.org/local/stories/KUT/150733002

Please explain why this officer would have drawn his gun instead of tazer or pepper spray?

Please offer me an acceptable, rational reason to not be angry at this LEO.
How about "No one really gives two damns if you are 'angry' at this LEO". I doubt he lost any sleep last night because you have your panties in a wad.
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Did the man have children????

What about the kids...missing their dog?
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An isolated house on a lonely back country road. And he got the wrong address? Was he from around there? Whatever happened to those old, calm officers whose very presence de-escalated any situation? It seems all we get now are these over excited ADHD hair gel types shooting dogs or someone else 41 times or some guy they "thought" had a gun. I remember when I was a kid growing up in Wyoming, there was a local LawMan that you just by God did what he said when he said it because it was your ass if you didn't. He could read, write, was literate and could do math. He didn't make mistakes about addresses. He knew his area and everybody in it and would bring your dog home to you with a stern warning if he caught it running around on it's own. He was the calmest man I ever knew.
An isolated house on a lonely back country road. And the idiot calling 911 got their address wrong? Stupid citizens don't even know where they live? Whatever happened to citizens, young and old, who used to respect officers and thereby allowed their presence to de-escalate the situation? Nowadays, all I get is videos of me taking control of situations put on youtube by citizens who have no respect for law, order, or even civility. It seems to me that all we get are these citizens who think they know everything about anything, who are quick to judge having no experience about that which they preach about. All we have now are CHL holders going out and shooting unarmed citizens whose only wrong doing was buying skittles and juice from a convenience store, all because he "thought" the citizen was "suspicious".

The local LawMan you describe above would likely not last in today's litigious society.
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You are bringing emotions into the picture. If the shooting was within policy, then he's cleared and he's good in my book. In Ohio, the dog must be confined or secured by te owner to prevent escape. I don't know what the laws or ordinance there are. You fail to keep your dog under control and they charge a cop, you get what you get. We don't have time to evaluate how much damage a dog can do or whether the owner says they're friendly. Happens quite frequently here, I've seen tendons and ligaments torn on guys who waited to see if the dog would bite. The dogs in question were roughly 40-60 pounds.

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Whatever happened to those old, calm officers whose very presence de-escalated any situation?
They were all shot by turds who took advantage of their good nature. Seriously, in the city I work in 90% of our details are able to be dealt with that way, but the others will get you killed if you handle them like that.

I can go have a talk with little Johnny about throwing eggs at the school bus, chat with his dad about the high school football game and if his German Shepherd runs over and jumps up on me, I can get him a treat out of my car and even throw a ball for him before I leave. Now if Johnny's dad just shot his mom and siblings and the neighbor lady...
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How about "No one really gives two damns if you are 'angry' at this LEO". I doubt he lost any sleep last night because you have your panties in a wad.
How about because I respect the job LEOs do, but I am constantly baffled by the idiocy of some of them? I often ascribe that to my lack of knowledge about police procedure, so when an officer shoots a dog (good shot, too) in a situation like this I want to know if he was being a Good Cop or if he was just a Dumb Cop With a Gun.

Bad behavior by cops in public and even on message boards leads to bad PR for all cops.
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How about because I respect the job LEOs do, but I am constantly baffled by the idiocy of some of them? I often ascribe that to my lack of knowledge about police procedure, so when an officer shoots a dog (good shot, too) in a situation like this I want to know if he was being a Good Cop or if he was just a Dumb Cop With a Gun.

Bad behavior by cops in public and even on message boards leads to bad PR for all cops.
Likewise, bad behavior by folks in public and even on message boards leads to bad PR or all folks .

You catch the drift?


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How about because I respect the job LEOs do, but I am constantly baffled by the idiocy of some of them? I often ascribe that to my lack of knowledge about police procedure, so when an officer shoots a dog (good shot, too) in a situation like this I want to know if he was being a Good Cop or if he was just a Dumb Cop With a Gun.

Bad behavior by cops in public and even on message boards leads to bad PR for all cops.
Then how about you come on here with your big boy pants on. Instead of getting all whiny, you could have simply left the link and a question. Yet you decide to throw in the "angry at this LEO" like any of us really care that you're angry. Your feelings mean nothing. Clearer?

I refuse to MMQB the Officer on scene. He made his decision, and as long as it's legal and in policy, he made the right decision.
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LEOs, I want to take your side in this story. I really do, but as the owner of two awesome dogs I'm having a hard time siding with the police here.

http://www.npr.org/local/stories/KUT/150733002

Please explain why this officer would have drawn his gun instead of tazer or pepper spray?

Please offer me an acceptable, rational reason to not be angry at this LEO.
Because the Officer was alone at a domestic with an agressive dog that might have bit him.

How do we correct this? Tax payers fund two officers per car and spend more money on training.

Why should you not be angry? Be angry.

Stuff happens. Think about all the thousands of calls a day that Police respond to. You would think not a day goes by without 100+ bad things that happened and news reports.

What makes this situation so bad? Liberal Austin Texas. This would not be front line news at most places, as people know mistakes get made.

What you have done? Gotten bit?

Did the city say they would do nothing about the dead dog and say they were not sorry?
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LEOs, I want to take your side in this story. I really do, but as the owner of two awesome dogs I'm having a hard time siding with the police here.

http://www.npr.org/local/stories/KUT/150733002

Please explain why this officer would have drawn his gun instead of tazer or pepper spray?

Please offer me an acceptable, rational reason to not be angry at this LEO.
Maybe you could provide more information on the incident so what one of us in LE could make an informed opinion?
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30 pound Blue Heeler I think. IIRC from the closed thread. Not really known to be aggressive dogs. I mean, it wasn't a 200 pound Rottweiler for crying out loud.
I beg to differ about that....So do the scars on my knee. Was a Blue Heeler about 30-40 pounds.

The dog in question that caused the scars to me was lucky to escape with only my boot to its teeth, and was milliseconds away from a serious case of lead poisoning.

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The dog owner, while at gunpoint and hands in the air, told the officer his dog would NOT bite. Officer immediately shot the 30 pound dog. Somebody has no business being a cop.
Oh yeah, because I really believe people when they tell me that their dog doesnt bite. I have been bit by dogs a number of times, and just about bitten more times than I can count. Every single time I had conversation about the dog with the owner prior to said incident, they ALWAYS assured me that their dog doesn't bite....he just barks alot. BULL****!
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Case law is clear that an officer does not have to exhaust all non lethal options before using justified deadly force with a human. Why do some people believe it should be different with an animal? Dogs aren't without defenses, nor are they without aggression. They cannot be reasoned with. They are animals subject to acting with animal instincts, and without rationale.

I have two good friends who have been attacked by dogs, and bare the scars to this day. One of them received a hand injury that almost ended his career. That one was dog that weighed less than 80 pounds.

No one's pet is worth my well being and livelihood. Sorry.
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I live in San Antonio, they had the dog's owner on the radio today doing an interview. Seems like a pretty straight guy, wasn't pulling the cop-bashing routine that usually follows something like this. He of course, strongly disagreed with the officer's actions, perfectly understandable from his situation.

I'm not LE, just have a couple friends who are, and have mentioned that "domestic disturbance" calls are some of the most likely to get hairy fast. In which case, I can understand to a degree the officer being on high guard. He didn't know he was at the wrong house. If the scene was the same, but he was at the right house, this probably wouldn't be up for discussion.

There's no easy answer here, sucks all around. The dog owner? Poor guy has done nothing wrong. Was playing with his dog, goes out to his truck, gets a gun in his face & then watches his dog get killed.

Officer responded to a call, to which he was given the wrong address. I feel like he may have jumped the gun(no pun intended), but again, I'm not LE. He got out of his car thinking he was about to face a violent wife-beater, not some guy playing frisbee with his dog.

****ed up mess for everybody involved.
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I live in San Antonio, they had the dog's owner on the radio today doing an interview. Seems like a pretty straight guy, wasn't pulling the cop-bashing routine that usually follows something like this. He of course, strongly disagreed with the officer's actions, perfectly understandable from his situation.

I'm not LE, just have a couple friends who are, and have mentioned that "domestic disturbance" calls are some of the most likely to get hairy fast. In which case, I can understand to a degree the officer being on high guard. He didn't know he was at the wrong house. If the scene was the same, but he was at the right house, this probably wouldn't be up for discussion.

There's no easy answer here, sucks all around. The dog owner? Poor guy has done nothing wrong. Was playing with his dog, goes out to his truck, gets a gun in his face & then watches his dog get killed.

Officer responded to a call, to which he was given the wrong address. I feel like he may have jumped the gun(no pun intended), but again, I'm not LE. He got out of his car thinking he was about to face a violent wife-beater, not some guy playing frisbee with his dog.

****ed up mess for everybody involved.
So, you feel like the officer jumped the gun... The dog owner and Chief were on a radio show here yesterday. The owner admitted his dog charged the officer, and was barking at him. The owner admitted it was less than 6 seconds between the time he saw the officer and his dog was shot. That doesn't seem like a lot of time to me.

The dog owner has never denied that his dog was aggressively charging the officer. His complaints are "wrong house"; understandable, but there is a legit explanation, "officer should have used less lethal options first"; ignorance, and "the officer should have backed up, and taken more time to assess the situation because it happened so fast"; more ignorance.

The guy is pissed. I get that. It was a **** sandwich, and his dog is dead. I don't blame the guy for wanting apologies and answers. The Chief has given him both. Publically. Now, he's still pushing the issue, after getting what he asked for. Why? Does it hurt that bad, or is actually enjoying his 15 minutes?
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