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Old 04-26-2012, 19:14   #1
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How did YOU become a "Gapper"?

So I'm curious how people got initially turned on to the 45 GAP. It is certainly not a common round and aside from the folks who are police officers and were issued a 45 Gap pistol, it would be interesting to here some stories.

Here's mine:

I've always enjoyed Glocks and mostly shot 9mm. After a brief love affair with a G32 that ended badly due to my developing a flinch from the sharp recoil, I switched from Glock and decided to buy an XD 45. This was only because I never liked the grip of the larger .45 ACP Glocks (probably due to my early experience with 9mm Glocks) and wanted a .45.

A friend at work sent me the poster of the XD that we've all probably seen that says: "Sorry about that .45 GAP thing. It was just a prank that got out of hand." That sparked something in me and I found myself thinking more and more about the merits of the GAP cartridge.

After researching the thing to death I decided that if I could get a .45 in my favorite gun (Glock) in a grip sized I was comfortable with (9mm/40/357) then I had a winner.

I bought a G38 and the rest, as they say, is history. So what's your story?
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Old 04-26-2012, 21:58   #2
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A few years ago another officer told me to try the Glock 38. Since the GAP inception I ALWAYS thought the .45 GAP was the answer to a problem that never existed. So, reluctantly I shot it. Wellllllllll, after shooting it a few times, I found it to be real comfortable, accurate and fun to shoot (compared to my beloved G30 and G21). I started to really like the G38 and bought one. I then realized that my PD scores were higher with the G38 compared to the others. Several other officers shot better with the G38 also. Then I bought the G39- Heck, .45 cal. ballistics in a pistol that was just a little wider than a G27 (heck, My Colt Defender only had 7 rounds and the G39 was lighter and more reliable). I again shot the G39 better than any of my other issued Glocks that I ever carried in my 30+ years of LE (G17 in 1987, G19 in '89, G22 in '96, G23 in '00, G27 in '06, G21SF in '08 along with a G30SF.) My PD now issues .45 GAP and .45ACP-Officers choice. So far its 50/50.
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Old 04-26-2012, 22:55   #3
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I shot a friend's 39.
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Old 04-26-2012, 23:56   #4
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I just had to have a .45 Glock in my collection. I didn't care at all for the G36 I tried at the range. The G21 and G30 don't fit my smallish hands very well. So when the G38 was introduced, I knew it was the answer for me. Add to that, I read DannyR's glowing reviews of the .45GAP Glocks and it was settled. I ordered a G38 from my local range without even having fired one and fell in love with the first shot!
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Old 04-27-2012, 00:56   #5
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I liked the G17 platform and when a local gunshop was running a sale on 37's I was intrigued. In the shop I handled the 37 and already liking the 45 cal round I bought the 37. It's funny, I've got an HK Elite and I shoot the 37 more!
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Old 04-27-2012, 01:17   #6
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My old boss in the firearms industry told me about the G37. I waited for it to arrive and rented it at a range and I really enjoyed it. I appreciate all Glocks and really enjoy their creativity/ingenuity . From their C models to their G34/G35 models to their GAP models to their legendary Glock 17. Glock may not have been the first polymer gun but it was the first to take it new and dramatically large heights.








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Old 04-27-2012, 07:52   #7
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I was lurking on another forum, one of the guys here, Officer's Match posted about the GAP, specifically the 39, with photo's. After owning several 1911 ACP models including a light weight Commander, and a Glock 23, none of them felt right for EDC. Liking the frontal diameter of a .45 projectile, and wanting a small framed pistol I decided to give the 39 a try. I found it to shoot accurate and smooth, out of the box. My 1911's needed much work and $$ to shoot as well. Being around center fire rifles for hunting, and reloading for them, an out of the norm caliber did not scare me. Many "wildcat" rounds that were supposed to die.....many many years ago are still here and in production. As for EDC, this is the first pistol, in 35 years of carry that is still comfortable after 8 hours.
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Old 04-27-2012, 13:32   #8
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I was in frequent communication with Glock/Smyrna during the testing of the prototypes. I wanted one as soon as I heard about the GAP. In September 2003, Chris Edwards of Glock/GSSF presented a G37 to me. I've been a Gapper ever since.
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Old 04-27-2012, 16:48   #9
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I blame it all on Sgt45!

I carry a model 22 on duty and had a model 23 that I was carrying off duty. I never really liked the 23 or the .40 cal round. I bought a model 19 Gen4 that I love....except for the 9mm round it shoots. The only pistol that I will carry for off duty/SD is a Glock and having been a firearms instructor for over 20 years I believe in the adage "Train like you fight - fight like you train". All my training for the past 17 years has been on Glocks.

I'm a Glock armorer so I know the inner workings inside and out so service is all done at home. I wanted something heavier than the 9mm, particularly because I live in New England and for 5 or 6 months out of the year people up here are wearing heavy jackets and multiple layers of clothing and there's a lot of info out there about 9mm hollowpoints plugging up with cloth and not expanding. The answer to that problem seemed to be the .45 ACP.

I took a look at the model 30 and 36 and while they are nice pistols, they didn't fit my hand right. Then I made the mistake (very fortunate mistake!) of reading Sgt45's thread about the 45 GAP. I started doing more research on it and was impressed with the ballistics. The thing that sold me was the fact that with the model 38 I could have what is essentially my model 19 shooting a .45 caliber bullet from it. I bought a model 38 and after a couple hundred rounds through it I'm a very happy Gapper....I've even started reloading again and "rolling my own" for the GAP.

UPDATE February 2013 - I now also own a model 39 for summer wear!

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Old 04-27-2012, 16:59   #10
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I was in frequent communication with Glock/Smyrna during the testing of the prototypes. I wanted one as soon as I heard about the GAP. In September 2003, Chris Edwards of Glock/GSSF presented a G37 to me. I've been a Gapper ever since.
Thats awesome DannyR , I would love to be involved some way with testing of prototypes with Glock, especially if they came out with Gen 4 C model if it ever happens


Heck working at/for GSSF would be great as well.









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Old 04-27-2012, 17:19   #11
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I've always had an affinity for big bore handguns but found the 21 too bulky through the grip. When I got wind of a .45 on a 22 frame I just had to take a look. Handled one at the SHOT Show that year and the hook was set.
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Old 04-27-2012, 17:59   #13
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Probably like many others I started with a G19. I liked it then and still do, but I wanted a higher caliber so I started researching the .40's. I was a little put off by their "snappiness" and then I heard about the GAP's. Larger holes and less perceived recoil seemed like an unbeatable combination. I tried a G38 since it is the same size as my G19 and liked it a LOT. Now, I do 80% of my shooting with the G19 and 20% with the G38 to keep costs down. I am so satisfied with my G38 that I haven't felt the need to try any other calibers or models.
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Old 04-27-2012, 18:13   #14
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The Glock 30 and 36 dont have a full grip and my fingers would get pinched. The Glock 38 is a compact 45 with full grip which in turn was the way i think the 30 and 36 should have been. Sold on it the first time i shot it. I also think the 45gap round is a modern update for the 45acp and a great round.

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Old 04-27-2012, 21:59   #15
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You guys did this to me!!!

Though I haven't shot my G38 yet...



Anyways, I like the .45 but the 30 & 21 are too big for me, the 9mm Glocks are good, so here I am.
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Old 04-27-2012, 23:03   #16
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TD, I am glad that I helped with your decision. I/We did a lot of research and determined that the .45 GAP pistols are one of the best duty pistols. I know we get a lot of "KEYBOARD NINJAS" here on Glock Talk, especially in the general glock forum, or Jack wagons who have NO idea what they are talking about. It really does take a few educated people here to explain the advantages of one caliber or pistol over the other. Some here on Glock Talk don't consider our years of experience, education and research to be worth anything. I say to them- WHATEVER!!!! I love Glocks, in all flavors! I like others-M&P's, SIGS, H&K's, Colt, Kimber- great pistols-owned shot them all!!!. I just always have loved the simplicity, durability and reliability of Glocks- Plus they are soooo easy to work on!! Like you- I am not real keen on the Glock .40's and .357sigs. Hard shooting rounds that are real tough on the pistols. Glock would be better off, like SIG, putting the .40 Cal. and the .357 SIG in the G38 frame and slide. Take a look at a P229, Those sweet, nice looking, heavy, alloyed frame pistols, that scratch if you look at them, pistols were built to handle .40 and .357. I would imagine that the G38 and P229 are close in weight and size.

Hey, my light bulb just went on. Back in 2003 I bought a G20. I shot .40 cal. out of it. Now that was a easy shooting sweet pistol with .40's. Grip was too big though.

Ok, I am done now. Long day.
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I know we get a lot of "KEYBOARD NINJAS" here on Glock Talk, especially in the general glock forum, or Jack wagons who have NO idea what they are talking about.
I know what you mean...after all, I don't know anything about guns....I've only been on the job for 37 years, with 15 years as a Glock Armorer and 20 years as a firearms instructor, you'd think by now I'd have learned something....

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Alway liked the 45; but disliked the 45 ACP due to large primers. (You have to be a reloader during the past component shortage to understand!) At the present, everything I shoot is small primer. I'd even converted all my 45 ACP to small primer! Using only small primer for pistol, lets me stock high and deep for upcoming shortages. During the shortage, I could get small primers; but large were very hard to come by. I also like not having to mess with the primer system. Strange, but that's me.

Anyway, I saw the GAP round, did my research, liked the ballistics, found that it was small primer (yay), and would use the same components (minus brass) and dies as I used for ACP. I had a GSSF coupon burning a hole in my pocket, and got a G38. That was the point of no return. My G38 shoots great. I added a G37 earlier this year, and will add a G39 when they come available again. The GAP is a pleasure to reload for a number of reasons. Once fired brass is plentiful. and I've found it for less than once fired ACP brass. Even better, nobody wants my brass at the range!

I've stopped reloading ACP, have boxed up my ACP brass and large primers. I'm seriously considering selling off my 1911 and Ruger in 45 ACP because I just don't shoot them anymore.
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I shot all 3 Glock 45 ACP's with my G 36 being my EDC. I was on the train between terminals at IAH in Houston and I met R Lee Ermy on the train. We chatted about our respective service and then I asked him "Gunny what about this 45 GAP thing?" He looks at me and says "Its the best *******ed pistol cartridge made!" I retorted that his statement sounded more like a commercial than a testimonial...

He laughed "Just buy one, Dai-wi, you can afford it, they are the cheapest Glock on the market.....

I am extremely new caliber averse, due to ammunition storage, reloading etc. I have never owned a 40 S&W, only 45 ACP's and 9mm's

At a local gun show, a fella had a brand new G 37 and 200 rds of ammo. I got all of it for $350.00. I have been a huge fan ever since and now have all 3 GAP's.
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Well, I was a Sig-guy and poo-poo'd Glocks without having really shot one extensively - yeah, one of those guys. Then my son got accepted to become a LEO and started using a G22 At the academy so I looked at Glocks again and bought a G22, G19, G21 then a G30 and a G36. Really liked them all especially the 45 acp glocks except they don't conceal well on my weird body. So bought a G27 and it disappeared on my body but it was a 40. Heard of the G39, researched it, read SGT45, and then everybody I know told me NOT to buy one - but, of course none of these wing nuts had ever shot one or even seen one - after that I had to get one. Should be here this week along with 1000 rounds from Georgia Arms. If I like it, I can seriously see a g38 in the stable, next.
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Well, I was a Sig-guy and poo-poo'd Glocks without having really shot one extensively - yeah, one of those guys. Then my son got accepted to become a LEO and started using a G22 At the academy so I looked at Glocks again and bought a G22, G19, G21 then a G30 and a G36. Really liked them all especially the 45 acp glocks except they don't conceal well on my weird body. So bought a G27 and it disappeared on my body but it was a 40. Heard of the G39, researched it, read SGT45, and then everybody I know told me NOT to buy one - but, of course none of these wing nuts had ever shot one or even seen one - after that I had to get one. Should be here this week along with 1000 rounds from Georgia Arms. If I like it, I can seriously see a g38 in the stable, next.
I am confident you will like it. It should be set up to your satisfaction and 37 and 38 mags will work fine as extra carry mags. You will want the 38 which is what I carry daily.
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I stumbled across mine at a local LE distributor putting some extra inventory on sale. I had the G31 in my hand and ready to go, but saw a G37 Gen4 available and jumped on it for about $398 +tax!

So happy with it, and am on the fence about just ordering some directly from Glock now, or waiting until the Gen4 G38/39 models are released.

After reading a post on the Glocktalk forum, I decided to go ahead and ladder up some new XTP 185 gr. loads with the new Starline brass I've had sitting in my toolchest.

I am pretty excited to get to the range this week, as I have not yet tried out the new RSA and connector setup I ordered from Glock yet.
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Heard of the G39, researched it, read SGT45, and then everybody I know told me NOT to buy one - but, of course none of these wing nuts had ever shot one or even seen one - after that I had to get one. Should be here this week along with 1000 rounds from Georgia Arms. If I like it, I can seriously see a g38 in the stable, next.
Well my friend, I seriously hope you like it. I love my G39. I recently qualified with it and shot a qualifying score of high 280's/300 in the MPOETC course (PA Municipal police officers education and training commission) which included 25 yrds, into 3 yrds., timed strong and week hand.

With my issue GEN3 G38 I shot a 292/300 in the aforementioned qual. course.

I have to qual. with my issue GEN4 G37 soon (I really like her too! Shot steel targets with ease).

I can hardly wait for a GEN4 G38!!!! A GEN4 G38 will be the s#!t.

Let me know how you make out!!!
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Well, I was a Sig-guy and poo-poo'd Glocks without having really shot one extensively - and then everybody I know told me NOT to buy one - but, of course none of these wing nuts had ever shot one or even seen one - after that I had to get one. Should be here this week along with 1000 rounds from Georgia Arms. If I like it, I can seriously see a g38 in the stable, next.
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I had a g37 for a while it was a great pistol but I got rid of it just because I didn't want to look for ammo. Now that every other caliber suddenly became a hot ticket item I've noticed that .45 gap is one of the few boxes left on the shelves and I wish I still had it.... Oh well
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