Saiga 12 FTF

Gratefulone1 · 04-02-2012, 07:26

I am hoping someone can steer me in the right direction on a FTF issue...... I can not fire multiple shots out of my converted Saiga 12. I can fire one round then I suffer from light primer strikes. You can see where the poin hits the primer leaving a mark but it will not fire. Sometimes if I "rerack" the shell it will fire sometimes it will not....any ideas?

Thanks for any help you may provide

method · 04-02-2012, 10:21

Try different ammo.

docwade · 04-03-2012, 17:51

What parts did you use as far as your gas plug, puck, fcg, hammer spring, main recoil spring? Did you polish your hammer and bolt carrier? Your bolt carrier may not be moving fully forward preventing your hammer from striking the firing pin full force. Need more info!

Louisville Glocker · 04-06-2012, 00:01

Yeah, not sure what is going on there. How new is this gun? That is, how many rounds have you cycled through it? It could be as simple a fix as dry-firing a few hundred times, or polishing up the bolt carrier.

I haven't had to do any polishing with my two S12's. But I did need to enlarge the gas holes on my first one.

Also, can you describe exactly what is happening. I don't see why the first round would be different from the second from what you're saying.

Gratefulone1 · 04-19-2012, 09:39

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Originally Posted by Louisville Glocker

Yeah, not sure what is going on there. How new is this gun? That is, how many rounds have you cycled through it? It could be as simple a fix as dry-firing a few hundred times, or polishing up the bolt carrier.

I haven't had to do any polishing with my two S12's. But I did need to enlarge the gas holes on my first one.

Also, can you describe exactly what is happening. I don't see why the first round would be different from the second from what you're saying.

Thanks for the replies, the gun is very new, maybe 20 rounds through it max (due to the FTF issue)

When I rack the first round it fires and ejects, the next round will not fire, sometimes it will fire if I partially rerack the round by pulling the bolt back an inch or 2....sometimes. I've tried various ammo and I also have put on a MD Arms booster piston (don't think that has anything to do with issue) The FTF rounds do have a dimple from a firling pin strike. If any of this info hleps please feel free to offer advice.

Thanks

brausso · 04-19-2012, 09:45

You may want to try saiga-12.com

Not that people on here can't help, but there is a ton of information over there specific for saiga shotguns and rifles.

method · 04-19-2012, 10:08

Make sure the hammer is moving freely and doesn't need any grinding. Make sure the firing pin is moving freely, and the channel isn't packed with grease or something.

Gratefulone1 · 04-23-2012, 07:23

Went and shot the Saiga again Sat. I am now leaning toward that it may simply be a break in issue. I was going through the same issue, unable to shoot more then one shot with out trouble. I stopped and dry fired about 50 times and then the reliablity seemed to slighly improve. I will continue to dry fire the gun through out the week and hopefully give it another try next weekend. Thanks for the help guys....

vettely · 05-02-2012, 19:03

My Saiga 12 had to have the gas ports drilled and from I read almost all of them need this done. To properly check you need to pull the gas block off.

Buffering · 05-02-2012, 19:17

Not to impune those who bought the Saiga, but Jesus Christ, all that work just to make it work? What kind of gun should have to have all that s--t done to it for basic functionality? My 870 goes boom, boom and boom each and every time. Is it a cult thing? Is there a comet coming for you?

kenpoprofessor · 05-02-2012, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Buffering

Not to impune those who bought the Saiga, but Jesus Christ, all that work just to make it work? What kind of gun should have to have all that s--t done to it for basic functionality? My 870 goes boom, boom and boom each and every time. Is it a cult thing? Is there a comet coming for you?

Mine has worked like a Glock right outta the box since I got it. No problem with anything, shoot any ammo (short or high brass), and has run any mag I've put on it.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

NH Trucker · 05-02-2012, 20:11

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Originally Posted by Buffering

Not to impune those who bought the Saiga, but Jesus Christ, all that work just to make it work? What kind of gun should have to have all that s--t done to it for basic functionality? My 870 goes boom, boom and boom each and every time. Is it a cult thing? Is there a comet coming for you?

The problem is usually Russian QC. Mine fortunately has run fine for high brass, though it needed a little tuning to run bird shot. But a little bit of work is well worth it to have a semi-auto 12 gauge that holds 20 shells. Can't get that with an 870. And you're kind of right... They do have a bit of a cult following. Try one out and you'll see why.

And yes, I do have an 870 also, and it has been flawless since I took it out of the box.

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brausso · 05-02-2012, 20:15

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Originally Posted by vettely

My Saiga 12 had to have the gas ports drilled and from I read almost all of them need this done. To properly check you need to pull the gas block off.

Not mine. I've been fortunate enough to have no problems with low or high brass. I've used 5rd stock mag, surefire 10,12,20 round mags with no adjustments to the gas system.

vettely · 05-02-2012, 20:49

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Originally Posted by brausso

Not mine. I've been fortunate enough to have no problems with low or high brass. I've used 5rd stock mag, surefire 10,12,20 round mags with no adjustments to the gas system.

You are a lucky man. Must have been a shortage of vodka the day your rifle was built.

docwade · 05-03-2012, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Buffering

Not to impune those who bought the Saiga, but Jesus Christ, all that work just to make it work? What kind of gun should have to have all that s--t done to it for basic functionality? My 870 goes boom, boom and boom each and every time. Is it a cult thing? Is there a comet coming for you?

Because my home built S12 will destroy an 870 on any course of fire requiring a reload. I don't mind a gun that requires a bit of tinkering.

Buffering · 05-03-2012, 19:51

Huggy Bear would like that.

vettely · 05-06-2012, 03:45

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Originally Posted by Buffering

Huggy Bear would like that.

Not getting it. What does he know about magazine and drum fed shotguns?

Buffering · 05-06-2012, 08:41

Huggy knows cool and bling.

docwade · 05-06-2012, 11:19

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Louisville Glocker · 05-11-2012, 21:24

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Originally Posted by Buffering

Not to impune those who bought the Saiga, but Jesus Christ, all that work just to make it work? What kind of gun should have to have all that s--t done to it for basic functionality? My 870 goes boom, boom and boom each and every time. Is it a cult thing? Is there a comet coming for you?

Yeah, how many shells do your mags hold? I can pop in ten round mags in about a couple seconds, and fire as fast as I can squeeze the trigger. These may take a little tweaking, but I think it is quite worth it. Once you do the tweaking, you have an incredibly reliable military-style semi auto shotgun that makes the 870 look silly. The AK platform ROCKS!

Louisville Glocker · 05-11-2012, 21:27

Oh yeah, plus it is actually fun to take apart your gun, do some mods, and learn about the inner workings of it. I think it is fun at least. Well worth my time.

Buffering · 05-11-2012, 23:50

That's exactly my point - the AK generally works very well out of the box but the Saiga doesn't enjoy that same reputation. The SKS and AK function like a Glock in sheer performance and continued use however that Saiga just hasn't got enough mustard on the hot dog to make want to eat one.

For me I'd rather have the slimmer profile of the 870 and BTW, how are those prone shooting drills working for you with the Saiga?

The Saiga is rough and not refined to where I'd give up my 870 or recommend someone so so.

vettely · 05-12-2012, 03:08

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Originally Posted by Buffering

That's exactly my point - the AK generally works very well out of the box but the Saiga doesn't enjoy that same reputation. The SKS and AK function like a Glock in sheer performance and continued use however that Saiga just hasn't got enough mustard on the hot dog to make want to eat one.

For me I'd rather have the slimmer profile of the 870 and BTW, how are those prone shooting drills working for you with the Saiga?

The Saiga is rough and not refined to where I'd give up my 870 or recommend someone so so.

Step up a notch and own both, then see which you gravitate to. It is easy to talk smack about a item which you do not own and operate.

Buffering · 05-12-2012, 05:53

It's not uninformed smack - it's a gun that should work out of the box but doesn't without a lot of tinkering. Those problems or perceived problems were posted by a Saiga owner.

My commenting on them does not enhance or detract from the issues he's having or the observations that are plainly or inherently there.

vettely · 05-12-2012, 14:37

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Originally Posted by Buffering

It's not uninformed smack - it's a gun that should work out of the box but doesn't without a lot of tinkering. Those problems or perceived problems were posted by a Saiga owner.

My commenting on them does not enhance or detract from the issues he's having or the observations that are plainly or inherently there.

Oops, I"ll admit "smack" was a poor choice of words.