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Old 05-03-2012, 19:16   #101
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...How you can assert with any honesty that what ended up in the gospels is related to accurate history is beyond me.
Too many Christians have to do so otherwise their fragile belief system would be shattered. For too many of them it is far more important that all the hocus pocus of the Bible be true. Somehow without it they can't justify the parts that actually make sense like for example the Golden Rule, not lying, stealing, murdering etc. That is the part that is beyond me.
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Old 05-03-2012, 20:35   #102
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I read a NASA report that said, in part recently planet Earth just might be the only planet with life on it, as we understand life with todays level of understanding.
Now, if one day that turns out to be really true, Wow!
Of the billions upon billions of stars and even more planets, now that would something.
Just thought I;d toss that into the conversation.

Bren asked, How did I come to know my faith was true and correct, for me, or something close to this.
My answer is simply, I just knew, I took it on faith, it felt correct. I have no desire to know everything, and know I never will.

My people, fellow Jews, have a shared faith based history going back unbroken for roughly 3800 years.
A Jew from 3000 years ago, could come forward in time to today, and would be able to understand our Sabbath services and our prayers and would understand and know that he or she was among fellow Jews.
Old school, we don't change, and have been murdered for not changing through out our long history.

My education tells me that science, compared to the history of the Jews and that of say the Catholic church is a relative new comer onto the world history stage.
My folks were writing down history, when most of the people in the world were still trying to learn why it was not a good idea to drop a load of poop by the camp fire and what they planned to eat that evening.

My education tells me that most men of science were also men of faith, many of very deep held faith. I believe that is still true today.

There is room enough for everyone to hold or not hold to a faith base religion.

Darn good discussion.
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Old 05-03-2012, 21:35   #103
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It is based on guesses on origins,
No, it's based on evidence and observation.

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which many eagerly accept in lieu of God.
No, many eagerly accept the objective verifiable evidence of evolution in lieu of no alternative objective verifiable evidence of for example deities because there's one and not the other.

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It is the great escape mechanism of modern man where man looks for intellectual justification for escape from personal responsibility to his Creator.
Escape from the personal responsibility of being exactly how the omniscient omnipotent creator created them and then punishes his creation for?

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First tell me what evidence you would find acceptable after 2,000 years.
Something from the actual time of the event would be a start. Why did everyone wait so long to write stuff down? Did nobody notice the miracles when they first happened?

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Who would knowingly die for a lie?
Who claims anyone knowingly died for a lie?
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Old 05-03-2012, 23:43   #104
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I read a NASA report that said, in part recently planet Earth just might be the only planet with life on it, as we understand life with todays level of understanding
is this report available online?
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Old 05-04-2012, 00:24   #105
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is this report available online?

http://www.eutimes.net/2012/04/us-sc...net-with-life/

I think I read it in the Dailymail, but this has about the same thing
The one I read had Nasa, but this one is from MIT folks, I'll look for it Monday, the exact one,got it saved on my office computer, maybe???

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Old 05-04-2012, 00:54   #106
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The one you linked to mentions NASA, but only peripherally, the paper is by folks from Princeton, and it looks like what they're saying is not "Earth might be the only planet with life" but "we can't draw statistical conclusions about the probability of life elsewhere based on life arising quickly on Earth" ( that's all paraphrased, and "quickly" is in an astrophysical sense).

Wondering if they've made the actual paper generally available.
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Old 05-04-2012, 18:33   #107
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If his answer concerned a belief in anything other than religion, or probably even a non-judeo/christian/muslim religion, we'd all be agreeing that he's crazy and needs treatment for the imaginary voises in his head. The "God tells me" answer is an improvement over the quasi-dishonest answers, but it offers nothing to differentiate it from a guy who knew his neighbor's dog was satan, commanding him to shoot people with a .44 mag.
If you guys could please bear with me, I would like to take a moment to clear up something from my previous post.

If anybody out there thinks that I heard a spoken word or a voice from God, I would like to apologize because that is not what I meant.

I did not hear the literal voice of God. What I did hear was the Gospel proclaimed by a person. When I heard the Gospel, the Holy Spirit regenerated me (i.e. caused be to be born again) & I received the repentance to turn to God & from my sin and faith to believe in God. (I'm not exactly sure about the order.)

I'm also not exactly sure when I was born again (the date and time) or which Gospel proclamation I heard(they have many witnessing encounters on the radio program.)

Do I communicate with God? Is it two way communication? Well yes, but it's not like a chat I would have with a friend.

I talk to God through prayer.

I hear from God through His Word (in other words, when I read the Bible). The Bible is the only inerrant, infallible communication we have from God. Some guy saying "God told me to say this or that" is a false prophet.
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