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Old 04-26-2012, 07:27   #51
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I love how everyone wants to jump to a conclusion when not nearly all of the evidence has been made public. You have probably half the facts or less, therefore your opinions are half-baked. A wise man once said, "An uninformed opinion is worth nothing."
"I love how everyone" or "I find it funny" are usually tip offs that the writer is going to say the obvious. And, you do not fail us with "jump to a conclusion when not nearly all of the evidence has been made public." Of course, people can only offer opinion on what has been made public. They can not make opinions on info they do not know.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:53   #52
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I was referring to the actions by either person that led to the fight, not the fight itself.

And the lead detective initially wanted to charge Zimmerman with manslaughter and signed an affidavit to that effect. The state attorney (I believe) instructed him not to after a few hour's worth of investigation, ignoring possible evidence and eye-witness testimony. The fact that the new prosecution team had probable cause to arrest and charge with 2nd degree murder after a proper, thorough investigation proves that the initial handling of the case was bungled, unless you want to accuse the new prosecution team of of fabricating evidence or not knowing the law.

I love how everyone wants to jump to a conclusion when not nearly all of the evidence has been made public. You have probably half the facts or less, therefore your opinions are half-baked. A wise man once said, "An uninformed opinion is worth nothing."

The fact is, until the trial is over (if there is one), and all the facts and evidence are public record, no one can speak intelligently on the matter.

Talk about assumptions and spinning the situation to meet a preconceived conclusion.

Your statement implies that an investigator knows more about what meets legal standards than the prosecutor in that jurisdiction. In my area it is the District Attorney that makes that call, not a Detective.

Your overall naivette about the purpose of the new "special" prosecution team is rather telling, as to you experience or awareness of such an "operation". How many times, in high profile cases has a " States attorney" or even a Federal Attorney been brought in that DIDN'T result in a trial, genenrally based on an allegeded "new view" or "Fresh evidence"? These are Dog and Pony shows to appease a segment of the population and actually represent a misuse of our criminal justice system for political purposes. There have been dozens of cases, since this incident, of Blacks shooting Blacks all over the Country, but those case won't get "Special Prosecutors" and "State's Attorneys and Investigators" because Al Sharpton and the media don't care about them.

This incident WAS handled according to the law, and you really should have watched the lead investigtator's testimony at the bail hearing for Zimmerman. Talk about shakey grounds for prosecution.

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Old 04-26-2012, 21:37   #53
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Talk about assumptions and spinning the situation to meet a preconceived conclusion.

Your statement implies that an investigator knows more about what meets legal standards than the prosecutor in that jurisdiction. In my area it is the District Attorney that makes that call, not a Detective.

Your overall naivette about the purpose of the new "special" prosecution team is rather telling, as to you experience or awareness of such an "operation". How many times, in high profile cases has a " States attorney" or even a Federal Attorney been brought in that DIDN'T result in a trial, genenrally based on an allegeded "new view" or "Fresh evidence"? These are Dog and Pony shows to appease a segment of the population and actually represent a misuse of our criminal justice system for political purposes. There have been dozens of cases, since this incident, of Blacks shooting Blacks all over the Country, but those case won't get "Special Prosecutors" and "State's Attorneys and Investigators" because Al Sharpton and the media don't care about them.

This incident WAS handled according to the law, and you really should have watched the lead investigtator's testimony at the bail hearing for Zimmerman. Talk about shakey grounds for prosecution.

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Old 04-28-2012, 17:14   #54
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You pay attention to that CRIMINAL?!
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The fact that the new prosecution team had probable cause to arrest and charge with 2nd degree murder after a proper, thorough investigation proves that the initial handling of the case was bungled, unless you want to accuse the new prosecution team of of fabricating evidence or not knowing the law.
That's pretty much what Alan Dershowitz has said...who is decidedly not on the side of gun owners, and is certainly a more accomplished jurist than Angela Corey.
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That's pretty much what Alan Dershowitz has said...who is decidedly not on the side of gun owners, and is certainly a more accomplished jurist than Angela Corey.
Which is why, in one my previous posts, I said, "Prosecution also made the mistake of charging with 2nd degree murder, which is way harder to prove than manslaughter. Epic mistake."

I agree with Dershowitz on the 2nd degree charge. Should have been manslaughter. The prosecution is going after the wrong angle in this case. They are attacking the profiling angle. They should be, from the start, going after the illegal use of deadly force angle.

There is no doubt that Zimmerman was getting beat down by Martin. But what caused the fight is the issue, not who had the upper hand in the fight. Like I've said before, if Zimmerman was indeed the instigator, you forfeit your claim to self defense at that point, along with stand your ground.
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I don't see how you can charge somebody with manslaughter when they've already stated that they shot the other person intentionally.
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Voluntary manslaughter...
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Politics in action: witnesses on the scene confirmed Zimmerman was the guy on the ground crying for help while Martin (on top) pounded his skull into the ground. That's the reason Martin was not initially charged. Had it not gone public, that would have been the end of it. Now the "special investigator" card is played so they can charge him and drag him through a trial where he will be acquitted.... and then they can blame the jury. What a crock.

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Trayvon Martin Death: Police Say Witnesses Back Zimmerman's Story
The Orlando Sentinel is reporting that Trayvon Martin decked George Zimmerman with one punch and then repeatedly slammed his head into the sidewalk, according to a newly released version of the events that led up to the 17-year-old’s death.


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As the investigation into the investigation of the killing of Trayvon Martin continues, new facts are beginning to surface, and the Fox affiliate in Orlando found an anonymous witness who spoke to them in George Zimmerman‘s defense, saying he saw the man who was mostly the aggressor in the struggle fall on the grass, dead. Tampa Bay’s Fox 13 reported Friday that the witness, who agreed only to be identified as “John,” saw the struggle and it was his testimony the police used to let Zimmerman go free (John spoke to Fox 13′s Orlando Affiliate, Fox 35 on February 27th). His statements to the cops were instrumental because Sanford police say those screams you hear, the anchor notes, are Zimmerman’s and not Martin’s.
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Politics in action: witnesses on the scene confirmed Zimmerman was the guy on the ground crying for help while Martin (on top) pounded his skull into the ground. That's the reason Martin was not initially charged. Had it not gone public, that would have been the end of it. Now the "special investigator" card is played so they can charge him and drag him through a trial where he will be acquitted.... and then they can blame the jury. What a crock.

http://www.newsmax.com/US/trayvon-ma...3/26/id/433912


http://www.maggiesnotebook.com/2012/...-take-his-gun/



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anonymous...rge-zimmerman/
Why don't you wait until all the evidence is presented before posting your slanted opinion, Alitard. You people who cast final judgement on cases before trial make me sick.
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Why don't you wait until all the evidence is presented before posting your slanted opinion, Alitard. You people who cast final judgement on cases before trial make me sick.
OK, so my opinion is SLANTED because it is based on the eyewitness accounts? And I really feel I must compliment you for all the stunning rebuttal to my "slanted" sources which I posted. Oh wait... that's right, you didn't actually post anything, did you? just personal slander and spewing BS.

I don't know what specific mental problems you have, and I honestly don't care, but I am obligated to advise you of something:

on the internet, everybody is allowed to post their opinions. If that distresses you to the point you feel you must descend to personal attacks on others, why don't you go (deleted)

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OK, so my opinion is SLANTED because it is based on the eyewitness accounts? And I really feel I must compliment you for all the stunning rebuttal to my "slanted" sources which I posted. Oh wait... that's right, you didn't actually post anything, did you? just personal slander and spewing BS.

I don't know what specific mental problems you have, and I honestly don't care, but I am obligated to advise you of something:

on the internet, everybody is allowed to post their opinions. If that distresses you to the point you feel you must descend to personal attacks on others, why don't you go (deleted)
just personal slander and spewing BS.
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just personal slander and spewing BS.
You're the one who cast the first stone.

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Why don't you wait until all the evidence is presented before posting your slanted opinion, Alitard. You people who cast final judgement on cases before trial make me sick.
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Why don't you wait until all the evidence is presented before posting your slanted opinion, Alitard. You people who cast final judgement on cases before trial make me sick.

Well, you didn't wait for the evidence to be presented at trail before declaring someone else's post to be slanted. People who get on an internet forum and express their opinions, of other people getting on an internet forum and expressing their opinions, make me sick.

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Well people getting on the internet posting their opinion about someone posting an opinion about someone else who was posting an opinion about an opinion someone else posted.....
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If I have to look at or hear from the likes of Obama, Jackson and Sharpton on this subject I think I am going to crap my pants!
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Very interesting read. Takes a while, but he connects the dots.
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Well people getting on the internet posting their opinion about someone posting an opinion about someone else who was posting an opinion about an opinion someone else posted.....
Actually, I posted sources that contained the latest information from eyewitness accounts which is not just "people getting on the internet posting their opinions". It's people who like you who post ZERO factual information and just endless whining and personal attacks because they don't like the facts but can't refute them who are wasting oxygen. Every post you put up is the same, just more whining, zero contribution to the thread.
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If I have to look at or hear from the likes of Obama, Jackson and Sharpton on this subject I think I am going to crap my pants!
What's bad is that after Zimmerman is acquitted in state court, he will probably be tried for federal civil rights charges in federal court because it's an election year. I feel sorry for the guy.
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just personal slander and spewing BS.
Something we agree on, that describes your posts perfectly.
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Something we agree on, that describes your posts perfectly.
Bothers you doesn't it Alitard.
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Bothers you doesn't it Alitard.
There is something genuinely wrong with you. Idiotic posts don't bother me at all, but you really do have a problem.

You just keep spewing crap and posting nothing. have at it. If you actualluy had a single intelligent bit of information to support your original false statement (that my post or sources were "slanted") you would have posted it by now.

But just more of the same old crap. Personal attacks, slander and garbage.

What seems to bother you is that everybody is free to post their opinions..... that and the fact you just got your ass kicked.

I'm not going to waste any more time on you. Let somebody else drive the short yellow bus for you.

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There is something genuinely wrong with you. Idiotic posts don't bother me at all, but you really do have a problem.

You just keep spewing crap and posting nothing. have at it. If you actualluy had a single intelligent bit of information to support your original false statement (that my post or sources were "slanted") you would have posted it by now.

But just more of the same old crap. Personal attacks, slander and garbage.

What seems to bother you is that everybody is free to post their opinions..... that and the fact you just got your ass kicked.

I'm not going to waste any more time on you. Let somebody else drive the short yellow bus for you.


You are hilarious. Go read your past posts on other threads. You spew left wing venom at anyone who has a differing opinion. And to have a socialist like you tell me there is something wrong with me is a compliment. Thank you. Now run along.
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This blog basically puts together all the pieces about Trayvon Martin's girlfriend and it pretty much turns out that she's not his girlfriend, was not devastated, not hospitalized and it's all a giant smoke screen by the Martin's attorneys and that the Martin family is as much a victim of what's going on as is Zimmerman.
So I basically blew off your blog link just based on the title and the graphics involved. I really hate how partisan politics picks a subjects and makes it 100% "for" or "against" just based if you lean left or right.

However I did finally read it, and while some very minor things can be question, it was a pretty good investigation, and answered a lot of questions for me, in terms of how this peticular story somehow got national media attention, and how someone who was initially found innocent is suddenly back under investigation.

I really think when Zimmerman is finally found innocent, the info from this article should be used in his lawsuit against the law firm that framed him, and the black activitist and news media that ruined his life.

So my question is this. Isn't it illegal to come into a criminal investigation and tamper with and destroy evidence. Isn't that what the law firm is doing, scrubbing all the internet social media with Martin and this female friend? Isn't that what the news media did by changing the 911 audio tape of Zimmerman, basically swaying potential jurors?
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