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Old 04-04-2012, 08:57   #961
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Now is as good a time as any............

First things first.....Hello to all !!
After reading this entire thread over the course of the last couple of days, I decided this would be as good a time as any both introduce myself and give a small history on my own personal CCW motivation.
I bought my first firearm when I turned 21, an AMT backup .380. Quickly followed by a Glock 17 and a Colt Series 80.
I had been shooting my entire life and this was just a natural course for me. At this time there were no concealed carry laws in my home state (and to this day they are in the process of enacting even harsher gun control laws in an effort to combat the daily murders and gang violence......go figure)
I lived in an area that was the "buffer zone" between the police killing trash and a highly respectable university campus.
I carried anyway regardless of the law (not recommended)
I had a lot of friends in federal law enforcement, US marshall's and ATF. They obviously carried daily and I learned a lot from them.
One day I had my younger sister and her same age friend at my house along with my 6 yr old daughter, whom I raised by myself, when there was a knock at the door.
When I opened it, it was a "friend" of mine and some guy I didn't know. Nothing really too out of the ordinary but I just got a bad feeling. Before I knew what was happening my "friend" walked past me into my kitchen followed by the unknown guy. The unknown guy quickly spins around, a revolver in his hand. "Where's the money, We know you got money and guns, give em up or this is over."
My sister and her friend had my daughter on the couch and sat frozen speechless. I pulled out a .22 rifle from the closet and handed it to them at which time they stated " they knew I had others and werent leaving till they got everything".
I broke the first cardinal rule of being involved in a robbery...when unarmed cooperate. I refused to show them the rest of the firearms stating " I kept them at my families house because it wasn't safe here.'
They cussed and threw things all over. I asked my friend why he was doing this and with out a word they ran out the door.
I called the police. The police came in and wanted to know what gang I was in. I relayed to them that I wasn't in a gang and was just a victim of a violent crime and gave them my "friends" name.
Long story short, I soon learned they weren't going to pursue this case figuring I was just some thug who got what I deserved based on my neighborhood close friend's from my church (also ATF agents) intervened. The perps were apprehended almost immediately (seeing they lived a few blocks away) and it was then I discovered that my so called friend had developed a closet "habit" and had used me in an attempt to fuel his addiction.
This was nearly 20 yrs ago. I am now married with 5 children and have gotten my wife involved in a proactive role in the defense of our family. The state I reside in is very pro gun and we both possess our CCWs. We will be moving to Texas in less than 60 days to continue our education . The past event I just described taught me a couple very tough lessons. If not for the grace of god I may not have survived, no matter how hard you train you cant plan for everything , the police will not always be there when you need them and CHOOSE YOUR FRIENDS WISELY.
It took along time to build up my self confidence again after that encounter, and short of carrying even in the house I dont know what I could of done differently. Today I feel confident in my ability to defend my family. I am now pursuing a career in law enforcement and will NOT act as the aforementioned officers did to me. Live and Learn !!

Sorry for the exhausting, long post......
God Bless and have a great day
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Old 04-04-2012, 12:32   #962
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I was working as a Taxi driver the summer before I enlisted in the Army and got held up at gunpoint (the thief stole my cab and used it to rob a gas station) and then a week later, a guy tried to rob me at knifepoint.

Although I owned firearms from the time I joined the Army, I didn't carry on a regular basis until I worked in Houston for a commercial security company. Although concealed carry was prohibited in Texas at that time, many folks of my acquaintance, especially in the more crime-ridden areas of the city, were perfectly matter-of-fact about carrying a revolver around in their purse or pocket.

When I got to Indianapolis, I finally started thinking about getting a LTCH, but didn't do it until I had the opportunity to go through our local PDs firearms training with one of their recruit classes. With the exception of places where firearms carry is banned, I've carried a firearm ever since.
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Old 04-09-2012, 19:16   #963
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To defend my family. Trying to get my wife to get serious about the possibility that something will happen and she needs to be prepared.
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Old 04-09-2012, 21:49   #964
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Originally Posted by Timor View Post
I decided I would carry as soon as I legally could after reading the original Washington Post article about the following incident (copied from "").

Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers."

The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen."
Well that sounds like DC alright. They don't want honest citizens to have guns, but their police aren't going to help these citizens either. And they surely don't want to put their own lives in danger.
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Old 04-15-2012, 13:48   #965
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I bought my G22 and applied for my CCW at the same time which was two weeks ago. I decided to do this because I'll be getting married within the next few years, I've been on many ridealongs and have been threated by some of the guys that were arrested. Also because of Viginia Tech and all the shootings after that (I live in a town that is 1 1/2 hours away from Tech) I visit Roanoke, VA and know of some pretty bad crimes that have been done in parking lots that I visit a few times a month. For example guys hiding under cars and cutting peoples achilles tendon so they don't have to run people down to mug them.

Luckily I work in a place that allows me to know many people which landed me free defensive training at any time of my choosing.
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Old 04-25-2012, 17:56   #966
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Because I know too many people that have been victims of violent crimes because the bad guy(s) knew they couldn't defend themselves.

Because when someone decides to threaten your safety, they aren't going to wait patiently for you to dial 911.

Because shouting for help isn't enough.

Because I'm a practical guy that knows because I haven't dedicated my life to Mixed Martial Arts or something, my fists may not be enough.

Because I care about my loved ones, and would do anything for them in a heartbeat.

I had a defining moment a few months ago. I work at burger king and a co worker said she saw an officer get tackled by a guy he just pulled over.. She just drove the rest of the way to burger king. I was so livid I walked to the door, before realizing there was nothing I could do because she didn't even pay attention to where this happened.

I'm not exactly pro vigilante but an officer was tackled by a suspect, and a witness couldn't even be bothered to call 911 to get the guy back up?

Shows what kind of help I can expect if I get in trouble.

Also, the courts have ruled on several occasions that police are not liable for your protection. They have a responsibility to protect society not individuals. I.E. if they take 2 hours to get to you after you call 911, they can't be held responsible for anything that happens to you. If they're not liable for my safety, then I am.

Ps also, because glocks are freaking sweet.
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Old 04-26-2012, 18:31   #967
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I was working on a commercial HVAC unit on a rooftop and I was going back to my work vehicle to get a tool. When I went to go down my extension ladder I noticed two fairly young and scruffy guys peering into my locked van. I said, "What's up guys?" and they immediately backed away from the van and one said, "Oh, we were just checking out your nice van.". I stayed on the rooftop and called 911 after moving out of sight. A Sherrif's deputy showed up in 2 minutes, questioned them and searched them. They ended up in the back of his car.The deputy came over and told me they were both armed and he arrested them on weapons charges. I knew at that moment I would get a CCP.
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Old 05-03-2012, 21:11   #968
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Dad taught me how to shoot when i was young, first gun was a bb gun! Fast foward to 18 and i was in the army, after i got out of the army i kept a shottie at the house but never felt the need to carry outside the home untill in a few months span my brother shot a home invader, then a few weeks later me and this same brother witnessed a fight invloving about 20 people that ended in several of them pulling guns and shooting at each other while everyone just scattered. Bought a sigma the next day and just traded that in for a g17 a few weeks ago, still working on getting my chl, but theres some places i carry regardless.
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Old 05-03-2012, 22:29   #969
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For me there was no moment of decision. After Oklahoma passed the SDA law and it was allowed I decided I would get my CWL. Because it wasn't urgent it took me forever. I got it last week. It was years before I got around to taking the class and even more years before I sent in the application. I got it because it is my right and I wanted to. The instructor at the class asked us all why we wanted one. That was my answer. I have had a gun since I was 14 years old. Before I took the class I had decent carry guns. A Charter Arms bulldog .44 and a 1911 .45. I now have a couple more, a G20 and a SW 329PD.
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Old 05-14-2012, 19:06   #970
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Today is the 39th anniversary of the Alday Family Massacre that happened on May 14, 1973. Google it for details. That's reason enough to carry.
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Old 05-14-2012, 19:58   #971
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I came to this party late in life. I bought my first rifle when the SCOTUSA passed the 2nd Amendment by a vote of 5-4. I went and read the 2nd Amendment and thought how could 4 justices think it only applies to militias? If you diagram the sentence using English it applies to individuals. So I bought my first rifle just to be safe. Then when that effeminate candy arse President we have got elected I bought my first pistol at age 62. I got my concealed license but never carried. I felt I wasn't properly trained. I took a course by Brian Hoffner Tactical Pistol 1 and started carrying the very next day after I completed the course. He is an outstanding trainer. But what really got me to carry all the time was the TV show I Survived. One night my wife asked me to watch it and I couldn't believe what was done to the people on that show. I carry all the time now either my Glock 30 or my Ruger .38 Special + P. That is my story I'm sorry it took me so long to exercise my God given 2nd Amendment right.
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Old 05-17-2012, 08:24   #972
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that's a moving story.. reminds me of the childhood friend who was the good samaritan to stop and help a broken down car. He found himself with a screwdriver and icepick in his throat, fighting for his life. Lost his car and cash, and found himself stranded 800 miles from home with scars which will last a lifetime.

My own decision was recent, although i've had guns since childhood. I own several businesses, and have several times been threatened in the past year. That and my family's safety has gotten me to think thru it more and more.

Finally got my CWP recently, although I've conceal carried in my business locations for years (legal in this state). a good friend who's a retired deputy has been recommending I do it for years....

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I didn't start carrying a defensive gun all the time until I got into law enforcement, but I heard a story from a fellow agent one day that I have never been able to forget.

When he was 18, he and a friend were driving down the road and saw two guys broke down on the side of the road and decided to stop and help them. They were then kidnapped at gunpoint and driven down a dirt road and made to kneel down in front of the headlights, while the two kidnappers argued about whether they should kill them or not.

He told me that he has never been as scared, and so sure he was about to die as that moment, and that when the two kidnappers finally decided to let them live, and just took their car, he made a decision that night. That he would never be on his knees in the dirt, letting somebody else decide whether he lived or died, again. He told me even if it is ten guys with shotguns, I will shoot it out with them and die before I kneel in the dirt again.

You never see him without a gun, and I never forget the way I felt when I first heard him tell that story.
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Old 05-17-2012, 18:09   #973
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You never see him without a gun, and I never forget the way I felt when I first heard him tell that story.
That reminds us not to put off carrying.
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Old 05-17-2012, 19:12   #974
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Witnessed a 12 year old girl shot in the head by a previous felon...i ran over to render aid and he was still shooting..he missed his target and hit her :(
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:20   #975
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I am 22 and live in new orleans. There was a dead body and a shooting half a mile from my business. 2 murders in one week.
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Old 05-23-2012, 08:49   #976
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There was an incident in the last year or so where I was followed by a few guys in a car for what seemed to be an eternity while I was riding my bike.

For the few times I was able to turn my head and get a glance at the occupants, I could tell they weren't choir boys. And they weren't focused on anything else but me. At times, the car was tailing me by literally a few feet, other times they were possibly a few hundred feet back, maybe more.

Would they run me off the road? Would they run me down? Would they rob me, take my wallet and go to my house?

While this was happening, I really couldn't tell if this was just a simple 'breach of the peace' of a few guys wanting to have a little fun at the expense of some poor middle-aged guy alone on the road / bike-lane / sidewalk, or if it was going to turn into something else.

What made it worse was I didn't have my cell phone on me to call 911 first. I had left it on overnight (with the bluetooth, gps, and syncing functions on) and the battery was dead by morning, so I had it charging at the house.

Well, I'll tell you what...If that situation happens again, I don't intend to be a victim, robbed and beaten into a coma and on a ventilator in the hospital while my 5-year old daughter is holding my hand.

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Old 05-23-2012, 12:35   #977
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There was an incident in the last year or so where I was followed by a few guys in a car for what seemed to be an eternity while I was riding my bike.....

...What made it worse was I didn't have my cell phone on me to call 911 first. I had left it on overnight (with the bluetooth, gps, and syncing functions on) and the battery was dead by morning, so I had it charging at the house.

Well, I'll tell you what...If that situation happens again, I don't intend to be a victim, robbed and beaten into a coma and on a ventilator in the hospital while my 5-year old daughter is holding my hand.
Thanks for sharing, and I'm glad your harrowing experience turned out alright.

I'd have a cheap Tracfone-like cell phone (pay as you go) as a backup when your smartphone is charging.

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Old 05-23-2012, 15:50   #978
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The realization that you can accomplish more with a kind word and a gun, than a kind word alone.

74 now, I've been carrying since I was 18, when our Uncle provided the 1911..and ammunition for it..fed and clothed me too.
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Old 05-28-2012, 02:52   #979
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(Long. Was feeling wordy, as is usual for me.)
There was no single defining moment.. more a series of events and thoughts that culminated in my decision to arm myself.

Years ago I read a news article (I don't remember where) about a young couple that was assaulted by several men. The guy was beaten to a pulp and then forced to watch as they repeatedly gang raped his girlfriend. It was just one story but it stuck with me, and I never looked at groups the same way again.. in fact I sort of obsessed over it.

I started researching group dynamics and psychology, I read some incredibly gruesome accounts and watched some pretty gory videos. There's a shocking amount of footage out there showing different factions doing almost unimaginable things to each other. Beheadings, beatings, burnings, torture, etc.

It changed the way I looked at both groups and individuals. It's not that I assumed that every group of guys walking towards me intended to beat me up and take my stuff, it's more that I came to recognize that if they wanted to there was nothing I could do about it. If they wanted to gang rape my SO I'd be powerless to stop it.

That said, I was still strangely willing to interact with people I didn't know. I'd often give people rides.. I go stargazing a lot so I'd be coming home at 2-3am and if I saw someone on the side of the road I'd usually pull over and let them in. Most of the time I'd feel reasonably safe. Still, sometimes I had that uneasy feeling. Other times I was forced to reckon with the knowledge that the stranger in my car intended to do me harm.

I picked a guy up around 1am, it was 27~ degrees out and he was walking along the Highway with a sleeping bag in his arms. We picked up his girlfriend and headed to the address he'd given me when he first entered. When she asked where we were going, he gave a second address... but we were not headed in that direction. Visibly confused, she asked a few minutes later. He gave a third address.

I had the overwhelming feeling that I was about to be 'jacked' and was fortunate enough to see a local Sheriff out on an early-morning patrol. I flashed my lights at him a few times, pulled over and jumped out of the car. The homeless guy bolted, leaving his girlfriend in the car. The deputy drove up and asked if everything was alright, I explained and he called it in. Turns out the guy had a history of carjacking and they found a knife tucked into the sleeping bag he dropped a few yards from my car. Not sure if they ever caught him, but I'm glad I never found out what would've happened to me if I hadn't run into that deputy.

Still, even that was (somehow) not enough. I just told myself that while it was dangerous, it was a situation I could easily avoid by not picking up strangers. Which.. amusingly, I still do. Way to mitigate risk, self! So like I said.. it was the little things. It was going out for a late night run (pattern: night owl) and realizing that an approaching car has slowed down just a little too much, for a little too long. It was being screamed at through my driver's side window by some drunk who had gotten out of his car and was pacing around blocking traffic. It was Virginia Tech. It was Utoya (Norway). It was the ever-increasing feeling that the person most likely to defend me was.. me. And I was unarmed.

I had the mindset and I was aware of my surroundings, but I lacked the ability to do anything about danger even if I saw it coming. I was constantly on my family about leaving the doors unlocked but I didn't put a lot of thought into exactly what I would do if some undesirable gained entrance to my house. Poke him with my knife?

I had this desire to assist people when I was able, but overlooked the risks inherent to doing so. In fact the most recent event (the 'tipping-point', if you will) involved just that desire. I was pulling onto my street, seconds from home, as I happened to look up and see a man very clearly pushing a woman through their open 2nd story window. There was no doubt about it. He'd pushed her. I pulled into my driveway, got out and started walking to their house. Then I stopped. "What the hell am I doing?" I turned around and went home. Mad. Unlocked the door, walked in, locked the door. Really mad. Went to my bedroom, put away my stuff. Livid.

I knew what I saw, but I'd turned around because I wasn't sure how to handle it. My cowardice and indecision were really pissing me off. What do I say when they answer the door? What will I do if she's hurt? I'm not very physically imposing (both a source of some shame and motivation as I hit the weights)... what if he attacks me? My anger won out. I walked back out, knocked on their door and the guy answered. I told him I'd seen a woman being pushed and asked if everything was alright (as my heart rate skyrockets).. he laughs and says yes. I say I'd like to hear it from her.. he calls, and she comes out saying they were just playing.

No fireworks finish, just me looking stupid on my neighbor's doorstep. Still, I felt simultaneously relieved and disappointed. Relieved that she was unhurt and disappointed that I had, however briefly, entertained the idea of letting what appeared to be a violent domestic dispute continue. After my adrenaline dissipated and I managed to get to sleep, I woke up and started looking into carry options. I'd never carried but I've handled firearms enough that I'm comfortable with them.

A few days ago I purchased a Glock 23, and I'm looking into something smaller (LCP, PM9) for those times when I can't conceal it. I won't fool myself into thinking that I can handle any situation, but I also won't be too tempted to turn my back on someone again.

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Old 05-29-2012, 13:13   #980
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A few days ago I purchased a Glock 23, and I'm looking into something smaller (LCP, PM9) for those times when I can't conceal it. I won't fool myself into thinking that I can handle any situation, but I also won't be too tempted to turn my back on someone again.
I would caution you that you are not the police. Most would say your primarily carry a gun to protect yourself and your family.
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