LSWC in a Glock?

***Fire_Medic*** · 07-12-2012, 13:26

I have a substantial sized ammo can full of 200gr LSWC reloads that I was shooting in my 1911's, and was curious if anyone knows whether these would feed and shoot reliably in a G21 with an aftermarket barrel?

Want to know before I start pulling bullets.........

Also if it works out then I can still keep the cost of shooting 45 down by not having to get FMJ projectiles.

Thanks
FM

F106 Fan · 07-12-2012, 13:41

I have used the S&S Hard Cast 200 gr LSWC in a G21SF with factory barrel. There was no evidence of leading and they seem to feed quite well. The bullet is set into the case such that there is just a slight amount of the ledge showing at the case mouth. 1.250" OAL.

http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/con...ckages_of_1000_

I don't have an aftermarket barrel and by some accounts these barrels may be 'match' grade and might not chamber a lead bullet because the OD of the lead bullet is 0.001" larger than a jacketed bullet. This is not a problem with a Glock barrel because it will chamber a bowling ball.

Try them and find out! Watch for leading...

Richard

***Fire_Medic*** · 07-12-2012, 13:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by F106 Fan

I have used the S&S Hard Cast 200 gr LSWC in a G21SF with factory barrel. There was no evidence of leading and they seem to feed quite well. The bullet is set into the case such that there is just a slight amount of the ledge showing at the case mouth. 1.250" OAL.

http://www.dillonprecision.com/#/con...ckages_of_1000_

I don't have an aftermarket barrel and by some accounts these barrels may be 'match' grade and might not chamber a lead bullet because the OD of the lead bullet is 0.001" larger than a jacketed bullet. This is not a problem with a Glock barrel because it will chamber a bowling ball.

Try them and find out! Watch for leading...

Richard

Thanks I might just give that a shot. I personally have never shot lead out of a factory Glock barrel myself, but being that the 45 is one of the slower moving rounds might not be an issue. I know a lot of the old timers around here from when I first joined use to shoot lead out of their stock G21 barrels, but was just looking for more current info and wondering if anyone is doing the same. The wad cutters just make nice holes in the target and I really don't feel like pulling 1K + rounds, lol.....

***CaptJim*** · 07-12-2012, 13:58

I used to have a Glock 36 that I shot lead in, in fact, lead was it's usual diet.

Wadcutters that ran fine in my 1911's would malfunction once in a while, but not enough to bother a target session.

I would shoot them and deal with it and clean after 150 rounds or so.

humphreys19 · 07-12-2012, 14:00

All I can say is try them. Some guys on here say that their Glocks feed SWC's fine, some say not. My experience is that my 21 is iffy with SWC's, and my 30 does not like 'em at all.
The problem I have is not feeding the bullet into the chamber, but on extraction. What seems to happen is that the fired case rim contacts the shoulder of the next round in the magazine, pops out of the extractor, and remains in the chamber, tying up the gun. Both of them will feed round nose, flat nose, hollow point, or whatever all day long, as long as the bullet does not have a shoulder.

Happy shooting, Tom

Boxerglocker · 07-12-2012, 14:30

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Originally Posted by humphreys19

All I can say is try them. Some guys on here say that their Glocks feed SWC's fine, some say not. My experience is that my 21 is iffy with SWC's, and my 30 does not like 'em at all.
The problem I have is not feeding the bullet into the chamber, but on extraction. What seems to happen is that the fired case rim contacts the shoulder of the next round in the magazine, pops out of the extractor, and remains in the chamber, tying up the gun. Both of them will feed round nose, flat nose, hollow point, or whatever all day long, as long as the bullet does not have a shoulder.

Happy shooting, Tom

I believe that's the key statement that I've bolded...

Just send them to me brother, I have a SA RO coming soon

***Fire_Medic*** · 07-12-2012, 14:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxerglocker

I believe that's the key statement that I've bolded...

Just send them to me brother, I have a SA RO coming soon

Would gladly trade you for some components.......

F106 Fan · 07-12-2012, 14:49

My reloaded 200 gr LSWC have a bit of the lead shoulder exposed and it is slippery enough to allow the empty shell to extract. I probably could have put just a bit more taper crimp on the case mouth but I didn't. The mouth is JUST closed up.

I don't have any problems with the G21SF feeding these rounds. It may turn out that there are different bullet profiles and that they behave differently. Mine work...

Richard

WeeWilly · 07-12-2012, 14:52

All my 200gr LSWC's are loaded with about 1/16" of a shoulder (the bearing surface above the case mouth), they feed perfectly in my G21SF. I tried some plated Xtreme 200gr Plated SWC's. My 1911's had all sorts of problems feeding these, my G21SF ate all up.

unclebob · 07-12-2012, 15:21

The G30 is the gun that does not like SWC ammo. Even if the G21 does not like them 100% of the time I would rather shoot them single shot if need be then try and pull all of the bullets. Yes it is a PITA but not as much as pulling the bullets.
The only way you are going to know for sure is for you to just shoot them and see what happens. What happens in my gun does not mean it is going to do the same in yours.

GOA Guy · 07-12-2012, 19:50

My 21 shoots the #68 style 200 LSWCs just fine. I say shoot 'em up.

vasconic · 07-12-2012, 20:54

+1 on the HG 68 swc's. I run a g21sf with a lone wolf barrel and have feed problems with my Lee 200grn swc reloads. Bought a custom HG 68 clone boolit mold and they feed 100%. I noticed that the lee swc has a longer point and the HG 68 is shorter and less pointy. Haven't tried either in the stock barrel.

Hounddog

***Fire_Medic*** · 07-12-2012, 21:08

Mine are the 18bhn 200gr LSWC from Missouri Bullet. I do not know what mold they use. I will try and see if they feed and shoot in the near future. I would much prefer to have an aftermarket barrel for shooting lead consistently, but was just looking for info on this particular projectile. Might have to switch back to the LRN which is no biggie, just don't want to have to pull 1K + rounds lol.

Thanks to all who have responded.

F106 Fan · 07-12-2012, 21:42

Just load up a magazine and cycle them through the gun manually. That should give you some indication of what to expect.

Richard

Boxerglocker · 07-12-2012, 22:07

my bad

MudFlap379 · 07-13-2012, 16:00

My G30 and G21, both with Lone Wolf barrels, feed shoot and extract 200 LSWC's just fine. I cast using the Lee 6 cavity mold.

***Fire_Medic*** · 07-13-2012, 16:45

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Originally Posted by MudFlap379

My G30 and G21, both with Lone Wolf barrels, feed shoot and extract 200 LSWC's just fine. I cast using the Lee 6 cavity mold.

Good to know, I ordered a barrel from LW last night for the G21 and was told via email that it shipped today, so hopefully some time next week I can try it out.

PCJim · 07-14-2012, 00:32

I don't think the LSWC feed issue with certain Glock models is due entirely to the barrel, but the feedramp in combination with the magazine.

Regardless, just enjoy shooting them at the local range. I wouldn't use them in competition, if you find that you have an occasional issue with them feeding. No sense losing rank due to a problem you could have easily avoided.

F106 Fan · 07-14-2012, 07:57

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Originally Posted by humphreys19

All I can say is try them. Some guys on here say that their Glocks feed SWC's fine, some say not. My experience is that my 21 is iffy with SWC's, and my 30 does not like 'em at all.
The problem I have is not feeding the bullet into the chamber, but on extraction. What seems to happen is that the fired case rim contacts the shoulder of the next round in the magazine, pops out of the extractor, and remains in the chamber, tying up the gun. Both of them will feed round nose, flat nose, hollow point, or whatever all day long, as long as the bullet does not have a shoulder.

Happy shooting, Tom

This is an interesting observation. I suspect this is the reason that the case has a bevel on the outer rim.

FWIW, the S&S 230 gr LRN also has a very small shoulder. Other 230 gr bullets I have seen do not have one.

Richard

Wash-ar15 · 07-14-2012, 09:18

when i had my 21, all i fed it was lead SWC. never had a hiccup with it and they was dang accurate. Now I feed them through my mp45 and get the same results.