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Old 04-07-2010, 23:24   #26
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Very helpful thread. You just told me more than what I've read elsewhere researching for 2 hours. Thank you.

BoxerGlocker, That is a very helpful link as well, thanks.
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Old 04-24-2010, 15:39   #27
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I just realized I have never thanked you for this thread. Thanks
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Old 07-26-2010, 10:34   #28
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great thread and info!!
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Old 11-15-2010, 15:50   #29
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Old 01-21-2011, 21:23   #30
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Some people think that any play in a press will ruin the accuracy of the load. I have not found this to be true.
For the beginner--let's start out inexpensive, slow, and simple.
Get the Lee Reloader Single Stage Press Kit for $37.99. This is their little SS press and the Lee manual.
Get the Lee Auto-prime hand primer and the 11 set of special shell holders for it.
Buy a set of Lee 3 or 4 die set for your caliber. This includes a powder dipper, the shell holder, and reloading data for use with the dipper. The Lee manual covers every load with corresponding dipper data.
The dipper is pressed into the powder so gravity fills it up. You knock of the excess with a straightedge (a business card works well).
Given your barrel or cylinder as a case gage, you are ready to reload (provided you have powder, cases, primers, and bullets).
After you have learned how the dies work, how to get the proper COL, and have fired some loads successfully, you will be ready to determine what fancy press or accessories you want.
This press will, from my experience, make ammunition as accurately as any other press. Take your time and learn what is going on.
Read a couple of reloading manuals ("ABCs of Reloading," Lyman 49th edition manual, etc.).
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Old 03-02-2011, 00:46   #31
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Lee Classic Turret. (LCT)
www.leeprecision.com
This is the press I started with and its a great first press. Its considered an auto indexing turret press. You have to pull the handle 4 times to get one completed round. Lee is the only maker who does this type of press. Its a lot faster then a normal turret and cheaper on top of it all. You can expect to load about 200rds an hour once you get in the groove. You can get a nice LCT kit from http://www.kempfgunshop.com/. Be aware that others sell a kit but the kit includes the dreaded Lee Scale. Avoid them. Kempfs kit includes:
Lee Classic Turret Press
Lee Deluxe 4-Die Set for the pistol caliber of your choice. (3 Die set in 380)
Lee Auto Disk Powder Measure
Lee Safety Prime System (Large or Small)
Lee Auto Disk Riser (Required for the Safety Prime System)
Six MTM 50 round Plastic Ammo Boxes
I recommend you upgrade the kit to the Pro Auto Disc Powder Measure. Not only does it give you the better powder measure but you also get the Large and Small primer setup. Its worth it for the powder measure alone. With this kit you do not need a primer turning tray. The Auto Disc powder measure does not have the ability to adjust powder to very small increments like most measures. You simply change discs with different size holes to get the charge you want. This gets you pretty close and it works fine. You can add an adjustable charge bar but it does not work well with small charges and some powders. I stopped using mine with TiteGroup and 9mm. Loading larger throws of powder in a .44mag may have been fine. I dont know, never tried. People say it works better with larger volume charges. Lee even warns you about this on their instructions. The priming system is workable. Some people have had to add a washer under the primer mounting location to get it 100% dialed in. Most people dont have any trouble doing this slight mod. The LCT is a great, low cost, relatively quick entry into reloading. Once you get it dialed in its amazing how much ammo it can make. Caliber changes are so easy its unbelievable. You can also easily disable the auto-indexing and convert it to a single stage press. Its brilliant in its simplicity and function.
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Kempfs LCT kit with the Pro Powder measure, Lee 4 Die set, scale, dial calipers and Tumbler.
thank you for the very helpful write up, this is the press kit i am considering getting as my first press, whay do you recomend the Kempf Kit over the standard lee kit sold by everone else? what are the advantages? you mentioned something about the lee scale, what is so bad about it? in reading the description it seems like the kempf kit doesnt even come with a scale.

thank you again for the great write up
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Old 03-02-2011, 08:08   #32
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thank you for the very helpful write up, this is the press kit i am considering getting as my first press, whay do you recomend the Kempf Kit over the standard lee kit sold by everone else? what are the advantages? you mentioned something about the lee scale, what is so bad about it? in reading the description it seems like the kempf kit doesnt even come with a scale.

thank you again for the great write up
I'm not C4W, but I'll give you what will likely be his response...

1. The "Standard Lee Kit" does not include the Lee Classic Turret, it includes the "Lee Turret Press" There is a huge difference in the quality of the two, mostly because of the difference in materials from which they are made. The "Lee Turret" is mostly made of Aluminum I do believe, while the Classic Turret, is made of cast iron. The way the "Classic Turret" handles spent primers, is also FAR superior to how the regular Turret press handles spent primers.

Lee Turret Press
http://leeprecision.com/4-hole-turre...uto-index.html
Lee Classic Turret
http://leeprecision.com/4-hole-class...ret-press.html

2. The Lee Turret Press kit (that Lee sells), comes w/ the Lee beam scale. This scale is possibly one of the most frustrating pieces of equipment you will ever use. Some folks use it and love it, most folks use it and throw it out the window..

3. The Powder measure w/ the "Lee Kit"... while not absolutely horrible, the cheap upgrade to the "Auto Disk Pro" w/ the Kempf kit, is well worth it. I'd also just go ahead and get the additional primer size, as very few of us only load one primer size, and it's only another $8 (FWIW, if you don't upgrade the powder measure on the Kempf kit, you get the same powder measure that comes with the Lee kit).

Edit: 4. I just realized the Lee kit, does not come with dies, where the Kempf kit does.

If you're really looking to get a Lee Turret press, save yourself a lot of headache and follow C4W's advice to the letter. Get the Kempf kit, then add the Dillon Beam Scale...

You'll be thankful for the sage advice he provided if you ever have the opportunity to try the "Lee Turret press and Lee Scale" vs what he has suggested.
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Old 03-02-2011, 13:29   #33
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I'm not C4W, but I'll give you what will likely be his response...

1. The "Standard Lee Kit" does not include the Lee Classic Turret, it includes the "Lee Turret Press" There is a huge difference in the quality of the two, mostly because of the difference in materials from which they are made. The "Lee Turret" is mostly made of Aluminum I do believe, while the Classic Turret, is made of cast iron. The way the "Classic Turret" handles spent primers, is also FAR superior to how the regular Turret press handles spent primers.

Lee Turret Press
http://leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/...rretpress.html
Lee Classic Turret
http://leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/...sicTurretPress

2. The Lee Turret Press kit (that Lee sells), comes w/ the Lee beam scale. This scale is possibly one of the most frustrating pieces of equipment you will ever use. Some folks use it and love it, most folks use it and threw it out the window..

3. The Powder measure w/ the "Lee Kit"... while not absolutely horrible, the cheap upgrade to the "Auto Disk Pro" w/ the Kempf kit, is well worth it. I'd also just go ahead and get the additional primer size, as very few of us only load one primer size, and it's only another $8 (FWIW, if you don't upgrade the powder measure on the Kempf kit, you get the same powder measure that comes with the Lee kit).

Edit: 4. I just realized the Lee kit, does not come with dies, where the Kempf kit does.

If you're really looking to get a Lee Turret press, save yourself a lot of headache and follow C4W's advice to the letter. Get the Kempf kit, then add the Dillon Beam Scale...

You'll be thankful for the sage advice he provided if you ever have the opportunity to try the "Lee Turret press and Lee Scale" vs what he has suggested.
that was extremely helpful thank you
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Old 03-04-2011, 20:39   #34
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Better then what I would have said. Thanks Indy.
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Old 03-10-2011, 22:52   #35
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Great post. I have really enjoyed reading the posts from people. I think we have a great community of people on here that are willing to go out of the way to promote reloading to the inexperienced. Thanks guys.
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Old 07-05-2011, 17:01   #36
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Very good post, thanks!
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Old 07-05-2011, 17:44   #37
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I wanted to thank Steve again for his help on my decision. My LCT is coming tomorrow from Kempfs.
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Old 09-22-2011, 15:27   #38
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I just want to chime in here and say this thread has been a huge help to me. I'm going to get the lee kit from kempf. Awesome deal after shopping around and shipping isn't much more. Thanks for this thread, as I'll also be getting my calipers from harbor freight and my scale from dillon. I want a dillon press but I really don't have the green at this point and this press looks like it will fit my needs extremely well anyway. I'm only going to be shooting a couple hundred rounds a month until I can recoup the cost of everything involved with getting started into reloading. ONCE I'm actually reloading at half the cost of the shelf bought ammo I'll see if I even need to upgrade to a different press.
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Old 09-22-2011, 17:23   #39
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Enjoy your new presses. Glad the thread helped you guys.
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Old 04-09-2012, 23:17   #40
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This was very helpful n I got a Dillion 550 on the way. U mentioned u can use lee dies on the Dillion. Can I also use rcbs dies?
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Old 04-17-2012, 21:35   #41
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Old 04-18-2012, 14:57   #42
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I think you should include a bullet puller. It is early on when people make mistakes and they want to pull their work apart. They need the equipment to pull it apart safely.
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Old 05-25-2012, 20:34   #43
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This thread has been very helpful, thanks! I have been an occasional reloader on an RCBS single stage for the last 20 years. Until recently, I loaded only 30-06. I just got into loading straight wall and got tired of the single stage real quick with that. Had it not been for this thread, I would have never known about these options and the reasoning behind the different choices. Awesome info! Thanks again.
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Old 05-26-2012, 20:07   #44
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:04   #45
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Thanks for posting this thread been thinking about trying to do reloads just never knew where to start. This was really very helpful.
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Old 01-07-2013, 18:16   #46
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Hey, just wanted to say thanks. I've been wanting to reload for years and finally got some money saved. lol just in time for everything to be out of stock. But oh well. This has been a great help.
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Old 01-07-2013, 19:04   #47
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Thanks guys. Glad this helped some people.
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Old 01-16-2013, 17:56   #48
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Hey, just wanted to say thanks. I've been wanting to reload for years and finally got some money saved. lol just in time for everything to be out of stock. But oh well. This has been a great help.
lol right there with you. I'm giving it 6 more months to cool down, have some EBay and Craigslist alerts already set!
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