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08-07-2012, 20:07
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#176
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Originally Posted by writwing
WGWG = White guy with gun
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So the guys in CO & AZ weren't white then?
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08-07-2012, 20:41
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Originally Posted by FetchMonster1
So the guys in CO & AZ weren't white then?
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Remember the guy in AZ was immediately "identified' as a "Tea party member"
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08-07-2012, 23:36
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#178
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Hooah, Hooah.
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Originally Posted by countrygun
Remember the guy in AZ was immediately "identified' as a "Tea party member"
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Zimmerman is only 1/2 white.  Anybody see the links to the bands my space. Awful music.
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08-08-2012, 03:26
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Oak Creek PD SWAT team seem to have M-4 weapons. Don't imagine patrol officer have anything different. Think of squad rifle as in Squad Car Rifle?
http://www.oakcreekwi.org/police/ocp...sponseUnit.htm
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Last edited by RichardB; 08-08-2012 at 06:25..
Reason: too early should have just went back to bed zfter peeing
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08-08-2012, 03:51
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#180
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Quote:
Originally Posted by glockman66
"Squad Rifle"?:
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Maybe that PD has a few M249 SAWs? Cool!
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08-08-2012, 06:42
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The same people referred to the shooter having damaged several squads with gunfire- He's talking about the cars, and the carbine then is simply the rifle carried in the squad car. In this case, the squads carry M-4's, apparently.
Just the lingo: Don't over-think it.
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08-08-2012, 23:34
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Hooah, Hooah.
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Wasn't he accused of only having a pistol? Serious.
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08-09-2012, 00:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RottnJP
The same people referred to the shooter having damaged several squads with gunfire- He's talking about the cars, and the carbine then is simply the rifle carried in the squad car. In this case, the squads carry M-4's, apparently.
Just the lingo: Don't over-think it.
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Yup....most agencies just refer to it as a patrol rifle.
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08-09-2012, 00:51
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I say potato and You say potahto, I say tomato and You say tomahto .
LIB MSM LEXICON:
M4/AK47 full auto in the hands of a terrorist = Automatic Rifle/Weapon
M4 full auto in the hands of a police officer = Squad/Patrol Rifle/Weapon
M4 semi-auto in the hands of a law-abiding US citizen = Assault Rifle/Weapon
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08-10-2012, 09:49
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Hooah, Hooah.
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So the security cameras were off at the Temple on Sunday. Didn't they observe suspicious persons there the day before? Why turn off the cameras they next day? And now the shooter committed suicide?
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08-10-2012, 09:58
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CLM Number 122
Why so serious?
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Originally Posted by eyelikeglasses
So the security cameras were off at the Temple on Sunday. Didn't they observe suspicious persons there the day before? Why turn off the cameras they next day? And now the shooter committed suicide?
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Are you seeing "patterns"?
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Originally Posted by Rooster Rugburn:
Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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08-10-2012, 11:37
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Other than the stories linked in this thread, I haven't read up on what happened here. However, I am curious why the man being interviewed in the video (I'm assuming he was there), said there were 4 white male shooters, but every other report & LE is only saying 1? No, I'm not trying to start any crazy conspiracy theory crap. I'm more curious if it's possible that the 'eye witness' got the details THAT WRONG.
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08-10-2012, 12:19
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CLM Number 122
Why so serious?
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Yes.
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"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters".
"A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read."
Originally Posted by Rooster Rugburn:
Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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08-10-2012, 12:22
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pistol n00b
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Originally Posted by TBO
Yes.
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So he imagined the other 3? Can anyone explain how that would happen?
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08-10-2012, 12:50
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#190
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CLM Number 122
Why so serious?
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Originally Posted by kensb2
So he imagined the other 3? Can anyone explain how that would happen?
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You are viewing the event with hindsight (knowing what happened/knowing what you're looking for.
He didn't, he experienced it has it unfolded.
He wasn't sitting there looking back waiting for the gunman he knew would appear.
He was going through his normal day, doing his normal thing, in condition white.
When shots/yelling broke out, he didn't know what was going on. His pulse went through the roof, his adrenaline rush/dump didn't help him coldly/clearly OODA.
Think about a time in your life where you were seriously startled by something. Now magnify that by a factor of at least 10x.
I could go further, but you should be getting my point by now.
Respectfully,
TBO
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"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters".
"A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read."
Originally Posted by Rooster Rugburn:
Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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08-10-2012, 12:54
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I have been to Iraq twice TBO, and admittedly my first handful of convoys were certainly similar to that (although I'm sure I was better prepared for the IED dodging). I'm just still having a hard time wrapping my head around 1 person vs. 4 people, 1 gun vs. 4 guns. I will have to admit, though, that the mind does tend to do whatever it needs to in order to protect itself in highly stressful situations.
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08-10-2012, 13:38
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CLM Number 122
Why so serious?
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Hear a shot, think it came from one place/guy, hear another shot, think it came from yet another place, guy.
Lots of confusion. Add to that people are people. Interview enough witnesses and you'll find they run an amazing range.
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"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
"If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters".
"A person who won't read has no advantage over one who can't read."
Originally Posted by Rooster Rugburn:
Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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08-10-2012, 13:53
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TBO,
You know it was black helicopters that descended on the place and did and planted a body. You just don't want to admit it.
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08-10-2012, 13:55
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Pharaoh
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TBO
Hear a shot, think it came from one place/guy, hear another shot, think it came from yet another place, guy.
Lots of confusion. Add to that people are people. Interview enough witnesses and you'll find they run an amazing range.
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What is more probable? A lone racist nut or a govt conspiracy?
Exactly.
Conspiracy.
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08-10-2012, 14:00
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CLM Number 122
Why so serious?
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An example of an "eyewitness"
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Another example of a witness:
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08-10-2012, 14:22
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I'm not reading all that's been posted in this thread since I last looked, because I've been around long enough to know what it's worth.
However, on the "4 or 5 shooters" conspiracy theory, I'll say this: when I first started reading about this, I thought it seemed very unusual for a skinhead to carry out a solo racial attack like this. While tere are others who might, my feeling was that white power skinheads are very "group" centered and I'd have expected more than 1.
On the one hand, this guy could have just gone off, same as any other nut shooter. The small number of people killed supports that.
On the other hand, it isn't impossible that there were multiple shooters and while the dead guy was shooting it out with police, the others were running for it, out the back (I say that not knowing the layout, or how many police arrived or how fast).
That doesn't make it a CIA covert operation or an alien invasion, but if the information came out that a couple of other buddies of the dead shooter were also involved, I wouldn't be shocked.
On the third hand - if you saw some sketchy info that some witness claimed there was more than 1 shooter and you started thinking that somehow meant a conspiracy involving the government, you aren't rational and probably shouldn't be trusted with a gun yourself.
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08-11-2012, 06:06
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Hey, this is pretty catchy- I think all witness statements should be set to music...
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08-11-2012, 16:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FetchMonster1
So the guys in CO & AZ weren't white then?
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Huh? 
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10-08-2012, 23:50
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CLM Number 122
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Indian dignitaries convey condolences to Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting survivors, families
http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...71a_story.html
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