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Old 08-12-2012, 14:40   #126
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Oh no, it's facing the wrong way! All the gay soldiers patches are in the retreat position!
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Old 08-12-2012, 14:41   #127
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Either she was born gay, lied about it, and is therefore subject to ten years in prison for lying about this, or homosexual behavior is a choice which anyone could possibly make.

The only third choice would be that it's somehow contagious, kinda like leprosy or liberalism.
How then should it be quarantined, assuming there is no vaccine or cure?

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Old 08-12-2012, 14:48   #128
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It was written by a homosexual, clearly it must be what every homosexual believes.

In fact it is a civil rights issue.

civil rights

Noun:
The rights of citizens to political and social freedom and equality.

The term social refers to a characteristic of living organisms as applied to populations of humans and other animals. It always refers to the interaction of organisms with other organisms and to their collective co-existence, irrespective of whether they are aware of it or not, and irrespective of whether the interaction is voluntary or involuntary.

Sure seems like a civil rights issue to me.
Like I said prior, you're still mixing apples and moon rocks in your comparison.

Civil rights cover the broad spectrum of rights as a created being. These supersede governmental rights and are codified so as to prevent discrimination against people based on such things as "RACE," age, religion, national origin, ethnicity and gender.

The attempt to label homosexuality as a civil right is simply something that a group of homosexuals have cooked up themselves. The concept of "being born homosexual" was exposed and admitted to by some of the militants long, long ago.
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Old 08-12-2012, 15:27   #129
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congrats to the general, wish the best of luck.
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Old 08-12-2012, 16:20   #130
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I wonder how many of you would be for stripping a Medal of Honor recipient if you found out he did pot before they signed up and lied about it. Anyone?
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Old 08-12-2012, 16:23   #131
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I wonder how many of you would be for stripping a Medal of Honor recipient if you found out he did pot before they signed up and lied about it. Anyone?
Most people here, apparently, along with dishing out a CM and DD.
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Old 08-12-2012, 16:27   #132
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I wonder how many of you would be for stripping a Medal of Honor recipient if you found out he did pot before they signed up and lied about it. Anyone?
No kidding.

The idea behind "no gays in the military" is for the same reason they separate male and females. They don't want hanky panky getting in the way of duties. They also don't want other members of the military uncomfortable with each other.

A buddy of mine was in the USMC and another Marine blew kisses at him a few times just to mess with him, not because he was actually gay, and it got that guy discharged. Now, that wouldn't happen.

I have no problem with gays serving, but sexual harassment needs to be taken seriously, and I'm afraid gays will get away with it because if they are punished for it they will just scream discrimination.
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Old 08-12-2012, 16:34   #133
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Old 08-12-2012, 16:34   #134
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Before DADT everyone knew who the gays were, as long as it didnt interfere with duties (never did) nobody gave a crap. Girl i was in my a school with came out the day of the repeal and we were like "knew already."
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An honor code violation will get you canned.

West Point honor code
"A cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do."

United States Air Force Academy
We will not lie, steal or cheat, nor tolerate among us anyone who does.

United States Naval Academy
"Who lives here reveres honor, honors duty; we neither lie, cheat, steal nor attempt to deceive."

The United States Coast Guard Academy
"Who lives here reveres honor, honors duty; we neither lie, cheat, steal nor attempt to deceive."


Lying IS a big deal! She should be held to the same standard as cadet/midshipmen with an honor code violation.
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No kidding.

The idea behind "no gays in the military" is for the same reason they separate male and females. They don't want hanky panky getting in the way of duties. They also don't want other members of the military uncomfortable with each other.

A buddy of mine was in the USMC and another Marine blew kisses at him a few times just to mess with him, not because he was actually gay, and it got that guy discharged. Now, that wouldn't happen.

I have no problem with gays serving, but sexual harassment needs to be taken seriously, and I'm afraid gays will get away with it because if they are punished for it they will just scream discrimination.
There's got to be more to it than that, 90% of the Soldiers I ever met did that and more, jokingly of course.
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Old 08-12-2012, 16:36   #137
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I wonder how many of you would be for stripping a Medal of Honor recipient if you found out he did pot before they signed up and lied about it. Anyone?
The OP stated that to join the army, you must sign on your application that you are not a homosexual. I assume that is a true statement because nobody here has argued it as a false fact. And he assumes she might have had to sign again throughout her career for security clearance. If that's true, I would find her lie a little worse considering that she is still gay every day she lies about it, compared to your hypothetical MoH recipient who lied about something that happened in the past and is no longer using drugs on a regular basis.

With that said, I don't care if there are gays in the military. Americans are Americans and if you want to serve your country, I don't care what you like to do in bed as long as it doesn't hurt anyone. Really, why should anyone care what someone does in their personal time unless it affects their ability to do their job?
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Old 08-12-2012, 16:46   #138
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There's got to be more to it than that, 90% of the Soldiers I ever met did that and more, jokingly of course.
Well, I only know the story from one person. I guess that Marine was doing it to others as well, and he was not well liked. It's kind of one thing when you do it to people you are friends with, my buddies and I do that.

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Well, I only know the story from one person. I guess that Marine was doing it to others as well, and he was not well liked. It's kind of one thing when you do it to people you are friends with, my buddies and I do that.

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Old 08-12-2012, 16:58   #140
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I have often wondered how the backwards ass, ignorant, white trash, dumbasses managed to take the stances they did in the 50's. Now I wonder what they will hate when the majority of Americans finally decide to allow gays, like blacks, have the same rights as anyone else, and homophobia and those who embrace it is found to be as unacceptably ignorant as the racially bigoted and their ilk are today?
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Old 08-12-2012, 17:03   #141
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I thought we had highly trained professional Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors, and Marines.... I would expect them to act like professionals.

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No kidding.

The idea behind "no gays in the military" is for the same reason they separate male and females. They don't want hanky panky getting in the way of duties. They also don't want other members of the military uncomfortable with each other.
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Old 08-12-2012, 17:17   #142
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I wonder how many of you would be for stripping a Medal of Honor recipient if you found out he did pot before they signed up and lied about it. Anyone?
So far we have no takers. A lot of talk about how a "lie is a lie", but now everybody is silent.
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So far we have no takers. A lot of talk about how a "lie is a lie", but now everybody is silent.
Was there an MOH recipient who lied about smoking pot before his enlistment?
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Old 08-12-2012, 17:51   #144
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Was there an MOH recipient who lied about smoking pot before his enlistment?
If there was, would you strip him of it? It is a simple question.
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Was there an MOH recipient who lied about smoking pot before his enlistment?
Well, there is at least one who was using it during combat...

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/...s/cu/CU57.html
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Old 08-12-2012, 18:04   #146
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Was there an MOH recipient who lied about smoking pot before his enlistment?
I am trying to remember if that was even a question when I enlisted (1993). You took a drug test but I don't remember the question.

I will loosely answer the question. I think someone who fradulently enlisted or entered as an officer should face a penalty if the Govt can prove it and show damages. The financial penalty would be based on damages the government encumbered. Cheating the vision test to go through flight school then cant fly would be a pretty big financial damage to the government. Going through Selection and being trained as a Delta Operator for a couple hundred K then saying it is against your beliefs to shoot at someone is damages.

Applied to this particular case I am not sure the government suffered any damages seemed they got a lot of service from her and unless she tells them she lied their chance of proving she was a homosexual when she said she wasn't upon entering the service is going to be difficult and probably a waste of government resources. If they could maybe they can kick her out and take away her retirement save the country some money...

Just hope they apply that equally and go over every ones paperwork. A bunch in WWII lied about age. Hard to debate that one so we should have took away bennies after we were done with them saved a few bucks. Bunch of liars....
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Old 08-12-2012, 18:05   #147
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Was there an MOH recipient who lied about smoking pot before his enlistment?
We'll never know because no one sweats the small stuff.

There will always be former pot heads, sodomy, and gays in the military of yesterdays, today, and tomorrow.
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Old 08-12-2012, 18:19   #148
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What would McArthur, Patton, Bradley, Nimitz, Sgt. York and Audie Murphy think of this crap?
McArthur and Patton would be too busy killing American veterans who only wanted what was due to them.

Bradley and Nimitz probably too busy trying to establish their power bases.

Sergeant York and Audie Murphy were too busy killing jerries to give a damn.
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As far as lying goes...anybody here; veterans and active duty alike, can tell me that they have yet to lie about anything while on duty?

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90% of the Soldiers I ever met did that and more
Wow, 90%?

You must be incredibly attractive.



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